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Message 1160674 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 18:40:10 UTC - in response to Message 1160650.

On one memorable occasion on the M4 near Bristol, there was a Rolls Royce in the right hand lane of the eastbound carriage way doing about 65 mph, again I moved from the left over to the right, slowed down and followed it for perhaps half a mile, then started flashing the headlights, the car in front then moved over to the middle lane, once past I returned to the left lane and the Rolls Royce to the right, there was little, if any, other traffic in the vicinity at the time.

Wanted to be sure The Americans in The Audience got a Good Read of The Above Statement.

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But... it was a Rolls Royce, Don't Rolls owners automatically get a permanent lease on the right lane along with the car?


No, it's the BMW drivers who seem to acquire this privilege!



Audi owners are there as well.

They keep filling up the motorways so there is no clear carriage ways ahead.
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Message 1160685 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 18:59:27 UTC - in response to Message 1160674.

On one memorable occasion on the M4 near Bristol, there was a Rolls Royce in the right hand lane of the eastbound carriage way doing about 65 mph, again I moved from the left over to the right, slowed down and followed it for perhaps half a mile, then started flashing the headlights, the car in front then moved over to the middle lane, once past I returned to the left lane and the Rolls Royce to the right, there was little, if any, other traffic in the vicinity at the time.

Wanted to be sure The Americans in The Audience got a Good Read of The Above Statement.

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But... it was a Rolls Royce, Don't Rolls owners automatically get a permanent lease on the right lane along with the car?


No, it's the BMW drivers who seem to acquire this privilege!



Audi owners are there as well.

They keep filling up the motorways so there is no clear carriage ways ahead.


Be careful John, some of these could turn out to be unmarked police cars. If the car is missing it's hubcaps then take care???

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Message 1160692 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 19:19:21 UTC - in response to Message 1160685.
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On one memorable occasion on the M4 near Bristol, there was a Rolls Royce in the right hand lane of the eastbound carriage way doing about 65 mph, again I moved from the left over to the right, slowed down and followed it for perhaps half a mile, then started flashing the headlights, the car in front then moved over to the middle lane, once past I returned to the left lane and the Rolls Royce to the right, there was little, if any, other traffic in the vicinity at the time.

Wanted to be sure The Americans in The Audience got a Good Read of The Above Statement.

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But... it was a Rolls Royce, Don't Rolls owners automatically get a permanent lease on the right lane along with the car?


No, it's the BMW drivers who seem to acquire this privilege!



Audi owners are there as well.

They keep filling up the motorways so there is no clear carriage ways ahead.


Be careful John, some of these could turn out to be unmarked police cars. If the car is missing it's hubcaps then take care???



I have no problems.

I only ever drive along the hard shoulder, where one exists, or in the bordering field at 30 mph. That way I can let the RRs, BMWs and Audis pass without incidence.

Driving in my very own lane, or created lane, means I have a clear unblocked lane ahead, unlike the rest of the dual carriageway or motorway with so many vehicles there is no clear tarmac between them (let alone a clear carriageway ahead).
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Message 1162623 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 12:37:15 UTC - in response to Message 1160674.

On one memorable occasion on the M4 near Bristol, there was a Rolls Royce in the right hand lane of the eastbound carriage way doing about 65 mph, again I moved from the left over to the right, slowed down and followed it for perhaps half a mile, then started flashing the headlights, the car in front then moved over to the middle lane, once past I returned to the left lane and the Rolls Royce to the right, there was little, if any, other traffic in the vicinity at the time.

Wanted to be sure The Americans in The Audience got a Good Read of The Above Statement.

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But... it was a Rolls Royce, Don't Rolls owners automatically get a permanent lease on the right lane along with the car?


No, it's the BMW drivers who seem to acquire this privilege!



Audi owners are there as well.

They keep filling up the motorways so there is no clear carriage ways ahead.



Agree on the Audis and BMWs, particularly if there is a 3 in the model number, but you have forgotten a major 'player'. I can't believe you missed this one. Yes, its the white Ford Transit, which usually seems to be attached to one's rear bumper by a steel bar of approximately six inches in length, complete with gesticulating driver!



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Message 1162630 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 13:04:27 UTC

Agree on the Audis and BMWs, particularly if there is a 3 in the model number, but you have forgotten a major 'player'. I can't believe you missed this one. Yes, its the white Ford Transit, which usually seems to be attached to one's rear bumper by a steel bar of approximately six inches in length, complete with gesticulating driver!


You are 100% correct Iona! Audis, Mercs, and BMW's are the main upmarket vehicles in the the outside lane. Series 5 & 7 Beemas cost more than the boy racers can afford, so those owners tend to treat them more gently. Mind you, those 3M's don't half go!

Ah yes, my friend and yours, Mr White Van Man. If I had £1 for every time I've been tailgated at 80mph by him or one of his relatives, flashing the headlights, and generally behaving like the total prat they are, I'd be a very rich man. I'd estimate the length of the steel bar at more like 4", which most likely corresponds to another part of their anatomy, and probably accounts for their driving as "compensating for something". :-))))

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Message 1162643 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 14:08:57 UTC

You would swear that they think that they are driving a race car on a closed track with full safety equipment.

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Message 1162717 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 19:08:53 UTC
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The interesting set up is when a dual carriage way has one lane coned off, and the antics of the fast outside lane drivers are good.

I saw several incidents in this regard which was controlled by HGVs.

Imagine half a mile before a coned off outer lane, and traffic being warned by a count down every 200 metres to the cones. Both lanes chocker and the outer lane is full of Audis, Beemers, Mercs, etc, all nose to tail.

Heading in to this coned off area, one HGV indicates right, cars give away, and the HGV pulls in to the outer lane. All this usually about 1 mile to half a mile before the cones, which are causing a slowly moving tail back of vehicles (both lanes moving at about 20 mph to 30 mph).

HGV comes alongside another HGV in the inner lane, and it is clear the drivers are communicating on CB. The HGV in the outer lane keeps alongside the one in the inner lane, then, about 300 meters (just before the final 200 metre count down warning) the outer lane HGV moves ahead of the inner lane HGV. When the outer lane HGV is doing this the inner lane HGV slows down and allows a gap to open as the vehicle in front of it move forwards faster than it is driving.

Both travel like this, with the tail end of the outer lane HGV just past that of the inner lane HGV. Clearly, there is a solid line of cars, nose-to-tail, behind the HGV in the outer lane.

The arrangement between the HGV drivers is that the one in the outer lane will pull in front of the HGV in the inner lane. The latter having let the cars in front move ahead and opening a space for the outer lane HGV to slot in to.

At the cones, sloping gently in to the outer lane from the inner lane, the outer lane HGV moves down the coned off part and slots nicely in to the inner lane. So, all the cars behind it have no where to go but to stop.

Standing on a bridge and watching this happen is really amusing, as all the cars on the inner lane, who have been there all the time, close up and stop the outer lane hogs remain in their lane. So, the tail back gets worst. But, as a pedestrian watching it's ....


I wonder who will make the first comment that this is dangerous, unfair, etc. It happens and to the outside observer funny, especially with all the angry outer lane drivers getting more and more frustrated. Looks like a batch of accidents waiting to happen, but impatience on the outer lane hog is down to their character if an accident results. Let the responsibility lie with the angry and impatient driver.
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Message 1162809 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 3:01:11 UTC

Anyone care to translate Johns post? I sure don't make sense of it.
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Message 1162812 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 4:01:39 UTC - in response to Message 1162809.

Anyone care to translate Johns post? I sure don't make sense of it.

HGV = Heavy Goods Vehicle -- Lorry -- Truck -- Semi Tractor & Trailer -- Big Rig -- 18 Wheeler

Slot in = merge

I hope that gets you better than google translate brittish > american.


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Message 1162822 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 4:24:58 UTC

Thanks Gary, it still doesn't make much sense to me.

Sorry John
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Message 1162841 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 8:37:13 UTC
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Britain has a number of 2 lane roads (2 lanes each way). When road works occur one lane is coned off before the works to allow the workmen a place (lane) to do the work safely.

When heavy traffic hits the cone restricted 2 lane road, then tail backs occur due to - (a) the weight of traffic; and, (b) all the cars determined to stay in the outer lane refusing to merge until the last opportunity.

I think the latter is based on some fear of loosing out against other cars (sort of slow racing).

Any way, the laugh is to watch the Lorries playing the game I described.

Hope this gives a lead to what I described.


NOTE: These comments are about traffic but not on the topic of raising dual carriage way and motorway speed limits. Not that that speed could be maintained in the tail back situation described.
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Message 1162853 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 10:53:17 UTC

It wasn't the easiest to follow Uli. Basically John was describing how sometimes HGV drivers stitch up car drivers for the fun of it. And to be fair some deserve it.

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Message 1162878 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 14:12:32 UTC - in response to Message 1162853.

you know the UK could just set up "fine" cameras. Where the license plate is clearly visible with the speed the vehicle was running at clearly reported on the ticket. Then just have them mailed to the registered vehicles home address. problem solved. After about a dozen tickets Brits would slow down and learn that they aren't on the autobahn
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Message 1162886 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 14:35:26 UTC

We already have them they are called Gatsos. Gatso

The Inner London Congestion Charge Area also uses a variant of them that automatically fines you if you don't pay the set daily fee.
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Message 1162939 - Posted: 16 Oct 2011, 17:11:25 UTC - in response to Message 1162886.

We already have them they are called Gatsos. Gatso

The Inner London Congestion Charge Area also uses a variant of them that automatically fines you if you don't pay the set daily fee.



and Truvelo speed cameras that photograph the driver as well as the number plate and speed. This system automatically sends out a NIP (Notice of Intended Prosecution) to the home of the vehicles registered keeper.

There are also the SPECS average speed cameras that cover road distances from half a mile to 5 miles. Between a pair of SPECS cameras the average speed of the camera is worked out. If it exceeds the posted speed limit and allowance then a NIP is also automatically generated.

There are well over 6,000 speed camera like these across the UK (size equivalent to the State of Florida).
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