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Message 1155885 - Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 8:02:07 UTC
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Refer to Old testament Exodus 19:16 to 19:20.
If a space ship were landing on the mountain of Sinai, with all the rocket boosters. It will produce the same effect (thunders, flames, horn sounding very loud, all the mountain was shaking)

Exo 19:16 And when morning came on the third day, there were thunders and flames and a thick cloud on the mountain, and a horn sounding very loud; and all the people in the tents were shaking with fear.
Exo 19:17 And Moses made the people come out of their tents and take their places before God; and they came to the foot of the mountain,
Exo 19:18 And all the mountain of Sinai was smoking, for the Lord had come down on it in fire: and the smoke of it went up like the smoke of a great burning; and all the mountain was shaking.
Exo 19:19 And when the sound of the horn became louder and louder, Moses' words were answered by the voice of God.
Exo 19:20 Then the Lord came down on to Mount Sinai, to the top of the mountain, and the Lord sent for Moses to come up to the top of the mountain, and Moses went up.

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Message 1155901 - Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 8:50:09 UTC

Hi, Ancient, welcome to the boards. As a new poster you may not be aware that we have already discussed this subject at some length elsewhere. I happen to agree with you, others don't.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=63460

Perhaps start a new thread there, and get this post moved over?

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Message 1155914 - Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 9:26:47 UTC - in response to Message 1155901.
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sorry....To moderator, please delete my posting or move to the link (Ancient Alien mentioned by Chris S)
The Ancient Alien programme on History channel went too much over,...it even said that Hitler's technology come with the help of the Alien!

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Message 1155922 - Posted: 25 Sep 2011, 10:06:16 UTC

No need to apologise Ancient, we were all new here once :-). Be interesting to hear your views.

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Message 1156143 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 0:24:32 UTC
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Hi Ancient ET,
Like Chris, i'm on your side too!

I think that quote from the Book of Exodus does sound very like a spaceship landing. Its not magic and they didn't make up the story. It actually happened and they wrote down exactly what they saw. And that quote from the Book of Exodus very clearly states that God came down out of the sky and landed on the mountain so he could have a chat with Moses.

I think its a very clear description of God like aliens coming down out of the sky and interacting with the people on the ground.

Nice find Ancient ET, keep the faith. They said they are coming back and the time is almost here now. We won't have to wait much longer!
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Message 1156144 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 0:25:23 UTC - in response to Message 1156143.
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Woooppps....double post.

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Message 1156221 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 10:02:18 UTC

Hi Ancient, well you now have your own thread in a more appropriate place (thanks mods).

Have you got any other Biblical passages that could be interpreted in the same way?

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Message 1156248 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 12:03:43 UTC - in response to Message 1155885.

The problem I have is that everyone starts with the assumption that the Bible is written as factual, then searches for truth in it. We take today's knowledge and understanding and attempt to apply it to a book that was written 1400 years ago.

Most believers will tell you that the stories were parables and not meant to be taken literally. Any attempts to bind real life data into these stories is often seen as missing the point. Otherwise, we can apply numerous interpretations of real life to these stories and any one of them can be just as valid, but that's hardly scientific.

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Message 1156257 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 12:22:45 UTC

Land on top of Mount Sinai in a space ship? I don't think so!!

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Message 1156267 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 13:26:03 UTC

Well Ozz, it's up to each persons personal opinion really isn't it. The bible is a whole collection of things, it really isn't one thing or another, but a lot of people think it is basically a history of the Jewish race handed down over generations.

Some parts are just a collection of parish records, abc begat xyz and lived 100 years, then xyz begat ..... etc. Some parts are just folklore, there are also parables, stories, myths, hearsays etc. The main problem is the timescales involved.

My King James bible says the creation of the earth was in 4004 BC, which we know today is simply not correct. You have a date for 600 AD for the bible being written, that may be true for writing everything down that was known in one single document. But is doesn't put a date on the descriptions that it contains.

I happen to think that we were visited by ET in the past but I think it was probably many thousands of years ago. Most religions and cultures have the same theme of gods that came from the sky, did marvellous things, then went back in the sky promising to return, but never have.

I think that some parts of the bible were the feeble attempts of people to describe what they were seeing in the language and the terms of the time. "It shone unto like a Beryl" is the best they could do to describe something that was red hot.

When you read genesis "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof. And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man". I have some difficulty in reading that and not seeing an anesthetic, an operation, and DNA cloning.

Take the great flood in the bible.

Flood

Flood 2

It is possible that they were describing what they saw.

At the end of that day I can't prove any of that, nor can anyone disprove it. It is simply down to each personal opinion. You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want.

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Message 1156290 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 15:21:35 UTC - in response to Message 1156267.
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And that's where I still have problems. It shouldn't come down to opinions when searching for fact. We should use observation, recorded data, and peer review to reach conclusions.

The problem with the stories in the Bible, most of it was written in a very primitive time where their observations lacked understanding and the recorded data is ultimately useless. And any critical peer review of the Bible has shown that not an ounce of it has any bearing in truth or fact.

But all this misses my point. Why is it only the Bible that people search for truth in? Everyone tries to take today's knowledge and apply it to the Bible, starting with the assumption that anything in it is factual. Why not other books written in or around the same time period? Is it because most of the world holds Christian beliefs and therefore they are required to believe it holds fact by definition/default? How about books written by authors using precursors to the Scientific Method, and not simply laymen? How is it that none of the texts written during the same time as the occurrences within the Bible corroborate the stories within the Bible? Most people prefer to have multiple sources with which to obtain their data before coming to conclusions, yet most "ancient alien" theorists use only the Bible, or lesser stories that are shown to have contributed to the Bible before its authoring.

Needless to say, due to a lack of direct observational evidence, I do not believe we have ever been visited by aliens at any time in our recent or distant past. I'd be more willing to believe if someone could offer up some less circumstantial and more concrete evidence that doesn't require an assumption or non-fact based opinion as a prerequisite for belief.

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You have a date for 600 AD for the bible being written, that may be true for writing everything down that was known in one single document. But is doesn't put a date on the descriptions that it contains.


I did want to address this directly. While many documents may have contributed to the Bible's creation in 600 AD, the sheer fact that it took so long to put it together, and the fact that a group of people (like a committee) had to decide what to include means they left many stories "on the cutting room floor" leaves it very suspicious to the accuracy of the stories themselves based upon what they decided should be included. Again, multiple sources in cases like this are a must. 600 years is a long time to begin writing things down, and a lot of the details may have been completely lost.

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Message 1156333 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 16:48:30 UTC

When you read genesis "And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof. And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man". I have some difficulty in reading that and not seeing an anesthetic, an operation, and DNA cloning.


The problem here Chris is that when Adam and Eve were created there was no language with which to communicate with. So who was around to witness this event at the time....no one. So how does one know if it's true? Common sense leads one to surmise that it pure inventiveness on behalf of religious scribes coming along thousands of years later.

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Message 1156341 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 17:12:00 UTC
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I am not a Bible scholar but my version of "Bibbia Concordata" that is edited by Christian, both Catholic and Protestants, and Jewish scholars says that the first books were written about 1200 b.C.
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Message 1156343 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 17:23:36 UTC - in response to Message 1156341.

I am not a Bible scholar but my version of "Bibbia Concordata" that is edited by Christian, both Catholic and Protestants, and Jewish scholars says that the first books were written about 1200 b.C.
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Yes, and man has been on this planet for about 200,000 years prior to this first book having first been written. So can you trust these books to genuinely know how woman (Eve) came about all them years ago?

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Message 1156347 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 17:38:30 UTC - in response to Message 1156343.

I never took the Bible literally. But this morning a saw a TV broadcast of the Culto Evangelico (a Protestant feature) which said that about 1851 a woman and her husband were jailed in Florence for reading a Bible, which was forbidden in Florence by the Duca Leopoldo. Only with the rise of the Italian kingdom in 1861 this rule was repealed and the two were freed. You have to admire people who went to prison for their right of reading a Bible.
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Message 1156353 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 17:59:49 UTC

The problem here Chris is that when Adam and Eve were created there was no language with which to communicate with. So who was around to witness this event at the time....no one.


According to Gods words there was no-one else around at the time, so we are asked to believe what God did, which was passed on to others.

Our modern day science tells us that man evolved from millions of years of evolution. There was no sudden emergence of one, then two people, by divine intervention, as portrayed in biblical texts. That is the folklore part of the bible.

But I would be open to believing that human evolution was "manipulated" by external forces.

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Message 1156360 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 18:05:38 UTC - in response to Message 1156347.

I think everyone should have a right to read whatever book they wish, be it fact or fiction. I would never support outlawing the reading of any religious text.

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Message 1156364 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 18:09:46 UTC - in response to Message 1156353.

But I would be open to believing that human evolution was "manipulated" by external forces.


I think many people would find it easier, because it would give us purpose. We would believe that someone created us (or spurred our creation) for a specific reason, thus giving us a purpose for our existence.

I think that, like many things we have discovered through science, the reality is much more mundane and chaotic than our fanciful wishes.

Whether our existence was by pure accident of a few living micro-organisms on a meteor that crashed into earth, or a naturally occurring series of events in the perfect storm of the right conditions to create life, either way seems far more plausible until we have more information.

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Message 1156556 - Posted: 27 Sep 2011, 6:58:02 UTC

I would suggest anybody to read "The human phenomenon" by Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, SJ, a priest and paleontologist,discoverer of the "Peking man".
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Message 1156707 - Posted: 28 Sep 2011, 0:10:18 UTC
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Here is a picture of a range of skulls used to justify human evolution;



There are 5 skulls going back about 1 million years. Four of those skulls are skulls of monkeys. They did not "think" like we do. They did not sit around contemplating their own existence and do any of the things we do.

The 5th skull in the image, the one on the right, could be the skull of any one of us today, its the skull of a human being. Its VERY DIFFERENT to the other skulls. Something happened on this planet roughly about 5 to 10 thousand years ago. And people, us, have been writing about what happened ever since.

Somebody, God, Jesus, or an advanced race of aliens who look just like us, came here from another planet that orbits a near-by star and created us. We are not monkeys, and we are not their descendants. Someone came here and made us exactly what we are today. The Bible is an excellent written record of this event and a rough history of what was going on around the middle east at that time. The bible tells us very clearly that aliens came here and created us, and all the other plants and animals.

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