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Message 1149898 - Posted: 7 Sep 2011, 22:58:06 UTC

On Sunday I'll be back in Lower Manhattan, paying my respects to lost friends and colleagues.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1149938 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 2:46:51 UTC - in response to Message 1149838.  

Problem is, Will future generations eventually forget?

Not if the firefighters, police, and veterans have anything to say about it.
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Message 1149943 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 2:58:18 UTC - in response to Message 1149938.  

Problem is, Will future generations eventually forget?

Not if the firefighters, police, and veterans have anything to say about it.

Eventually, to future generations 9/11 will fade. How many of us really understand some event from about a thousand years ago. Perhaps 1066?


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Message 1149948 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 3:14:29 UTC - in response to Message 1149943.  

Problem is, Will future generations eventually forget?

Not if the firefighters, police, and veterans have anything to say about it.

Eventually, to future generations 9/11 will fade. How many of us really understand some event from about a thousand years ago. Perhaps 1066?

Ah, yes, the Battle of Hastings, when William the Conqueror won control of Britain. No, I didn't Google it, but I did look it up in my encyclopedia to make sure I was correctly remembering my High School history lessons.

As long as the memorials stand, and the story is in the history (books), people will remember.

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Message 1149953 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 3:21:24 UTC - in response to Message 1149948.  

Problem is, Will future generations eventually forget?

Not if the firefighters, police, and veterans have anything to say about it.

Eventually, to future generations 9/11 will fade. How many of us really understand some event from about a thousand years ago. Perhaps 1066?

Ah, yes, the Battle of Hastings, when William the Conqueror won control of Britain. No, I didn't Google it, but I did look it up in my encyclopedia to make sure I was correctly remembering my High School history lessons.

As long as the memorials stand, and the story is in the history (books), people will remember.

As long as we can eventually forgive those not directly involved in the event. I do not want my descendants to be living something like the battle between Sunnis and Shiites in 600 years.


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Message 1149957 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 3:28:13 UTC - in response to Message 1149948.  
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Problem is, Will future generations eventually forget?

Not if the firefighters, police, and veterans have anything to say about it.

Eventually, to future generations 9/11 will fade. How many of us really understand some event from about a thousand years ago. Perhaps 1066?

Ah, yes, the Battle of Hastings, when William the Conqueror won control of Britain. No, I didn't Google it, but I did look it up in my encyclopedia to make sure I was correctly remembering my High School history lessons.

As long as the memorials stand, and the story is in the history (books), people will remember.

Or even the Battle of Tours, led by Charles Martel the Hammer.

He is remembered for winning the Battle of Tours (also known as the Battle of Poitiers) in 732, in which he defeated an invading Muslim army and halted northward Islamic expansion in western Europe.[7]

A brilliant general, he is considered to be a founding figure of the Middle Ages, often credited with a seminal role in the development of feudalism and knighthood, and laying the groundwork for the Carolingian Empire.[8][9] He was also the father of Pepin the Short and grandfather of Charlemagne.

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Message 1149966 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 3:49:52 UTC

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Message 1149969 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 4:02:28 UTC - in response to Message 1149953.  


As long as we can eventually forgive those not directly involved in the event. I do not want my descendants to be living something like the battle between Sunnis and Shiites in 600 years.

I can Completely Agree with That Emotion.

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Message 1149986 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 6:21:06 UTC - in response to Message 1149969.  
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As long as we can eventually forgive those not directly involved in the event. I do not want my descendants to be living something like the battle between Sunnis and Shiites in 600 years.

I can Completely Agree with That Emotion.

Or the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. Or Muslims and Christians in the Balkans and Russia.
Yes, that would be very helpful. Even more so if the Islamists could find a way to do likewise.
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Message 1149988 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 6:26:31 UTC - in response to Message 1149986.  


As long as we can eventually forgive those not directly involved in the event. I do not want my descendants to be living something like the battle between Sunnis and Shiites in 600 years.

I can Completely Agree with That Emotion.

Or the Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. Or Muslims and Christians in the Balkans and Russia.
Yes, that would be very helpful. Even more so if the Islamists could find a way to do likewise.

My ancestry comes from France via Wexford Ireland(1690-1850), so Yeah I can sympathize.
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Message 1150062 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 15:42:02 UTC - in response to Message 1149943.  

Problem is, Will future generations eventually forget?

Not if the firefighters, police, and veterans have anything to say about it.

Eventually, to future generations 9/11 will fade. How many of us really understand some event from about a thousand years ago. Perhaps 1066?


John brings up a good point. In the US, Ask any high school kid what the dates 7 December 1941 or the 6th of June 1944 mean. You will more than likely get blank stares. Im 59 and well remember when both dates were brought up in the headlines in papers and on the national news alot. Fast forward to today. They get maybe a blurb in passing interest.

Those of us alive who can remember will never forget. In 3 generations it will be a footnote in a history book. And if history is a guide they will have their own bad memories.
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Message 1150076 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 16:01:21 UTC - in response to Message 1150062.  

Problem is, Will future generations eventually forget?

Not if the firefighters, police, and veterans have anything to say about it.

Eventually, to future generations 9/11 will fade. How many of us really understand some event from about a thousand years ago. Perhaps 1066?


John brings up a good point. In the US, Ask any high school kid what the dates 7 December 1941 or the 6th of June 1944 mean. You will more than likely get blank stares. Im 59 and well remember when both dates were brought up in the headlines in papers and on the national news alot. Fast forward to today. They get maybe a blurb in passing interest.

Those of us alive who can remember will never forget. In 3 generations it will be a footnote in a history book. And if history is a guide they will have their own bad memories.

So lets crunch for today, hope for a better tomorrow. Damn the Torpedoes, full speed ahead...

ET is playin hide and seek, so lets go shake some bushes...
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Message 1150100 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 16:43:03 UTC

All bad deeds of a nation or people must be forgiven in time.....if they amend their behavior.
If we did not do so, we would have excommunicated most of the population on the planet by now....
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Message 1150104 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 16:46:11 UTC

"Remembering" isn't simply having been there and experiencing the full pain.

"Forgetting" isn't simply marking a date on a calendar that's largely unimportant.


Remembering is knowing that it happened, and not forgetting is knowing what caused it and how we can prevent it in the future.


This goes for all "special" dates including 9/11.


While I don't want future generations to ever experience something like 9/11, and they will probably not know the full emotional impact of the date, I don't mind that they don't know the full emotional impact so long as they learn what happened and that it was wrong.
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Message 1150118 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 17:17:38 UTC - in response to Message 1150104.  

Agreed.
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Message 1150126 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 17:32:28 UTC - in response to Message 1150118.  

Agreed.

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Message 1150134 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 17:44:51 UTC

Hopefully 9/11 will have in some way have helped to make all humanity stronger, and all the reasons behind it will have helped to make us wiser, and finally may it all have helped to allow us to be happier.
”If you can know how to hate,
then you can learn how to love!”

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Message 1150145 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 18:45:32 UTC


Although it happened on American soil, it must not be forgotten that nationals from around the world also perished.
The attack was aimed at America, but many other countries also suffered from this attack.

    # 1 United States: 2,902

    # 2 United Kingdom: 67

    # 3 Japan: 23

    # 4 Colombia: 17

    # 5 Jamaica: 16

    = 6 Philippines: 15

    = 6 Mexico: 15

    # 8 Germany: 6

    = 9 Peru: 5

    = 9 Canada: 5

    = 11 Italy: 4

    = 11 Australia: 4

    = 13 Guyana: 3

    = 13 Brazil: 3

    = 13 Ecuador: 3

    = 13 Lebanon: 3

    = 13 Portugal: 3

    = 18 Ghana: 2

    = 18 Congo, Democratic Republic of the: 2

    = 18 China: 2

    = 18 Israel: 2

    = 18 Haiti: 2

    = 23 Taiwan: 1

    = 23 Belgium: 1

    = 23 Moldova: 1

    = 23 Dominican Republic: 1

    = 23 Bermuda: 1

    = 23 Ireland: 1

    = 23 Russia: 1

    = 23 El Salvador: 1

    = 23 Uzbekistan: 1

    = 23 France: 1

    = 23 Lithuania: 1

    = 23 Honduras: 1

    = 23 Nigeria: 1

    = 23 Indonesia: 1

    = 23 Sweden: 1

    = 23 India: 1

    = 23 Ukraine: 1

    = 23 Côte d'Ivoire: 1

    = 23 Venezuela: 1

    Total: 3,123


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BETTER THE WORLD ~ PAY IT FORWARD
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Message 1150286 - Posted: 9 Sep 2011, 2:14:00 UTC - in response to Message 1150104.  

"Remembering" isn't simply having been there and experiencing the full pain.

"Forgetting" isn't simply marking a date on a calendar that's largely unimportant.


Remembering is knowing that it happened, and not forgetting is knowing what caused it and how we can prevent it in the future.


This goes for all "special" dates including 9/11.


While I don't want future generations to ever experience something like 9/11, and they will probably not know the full emotional impact of the date, I don't mind that they don't know the full emotional impact so long as they learn what happened and that it was wrong.

I can agree with that.


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Message 1150287 - Posted: 9 Sep 2011, 2:16:31 UTC - in response to Message 1150062.  

Problem is, Will future generations eventually forget?

Not if the firefighters, police, and veterans have anything to say about it.

Eventually, to future generations 9/11 will fade. How many of us really understand some event from about a thousand years ago. Perhaps 1066?


John brings up a good point. In the US, Ask any high school kid what the dates 7 December 1941 or the 6th of June 1944 mean. You will more than likely get blank stares. Im 59 and well remember when both dates were brought up in the headlines in papers and on the national news alot. Fast forward to today. They get maybe a blurb in passing interest.

Those of us alive who can remember will never forget. In 3 generations it will be a footnote in a history book. And if history is a guide they will have their own bad memories.

I just asked a high school student. One of the two right, and the 20th century is the topic for history class this year. I expect the other will be learned by the end of the year. Pearl harbor was correct, but D-Day was confused with Hiroshima.


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