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Steve Robertson Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 38 Credit: 2,643,210 RAC: 0 |
I just fired up my new 6-core CPU, added an older Geforce 8600GT into the PCI express slot and said "wow" as I watched 7 work units getting crunched. Then that lonely, empty PCI (not express) slot stared at me wondering if it would ever be able to be of use too. Are there any PCI (not express) graphics cards that are cuda/seti capable? |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
I have a PCI 8400GS in my XP3200+, there was also a PCI 9500GT available, check out the following thread: CUDA on AGP - is possible? Claggy |
Wedge009 Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 451 Credit: 431,396,357 RAC: 553 |
Aye, the 9500 GT is the best you'll get in terms of GPU processing via PCI. You're in the States, so you should still be able to find them available, albeit in dwindling numbers. It may not be worth the money, though, in terms of performance relative to PCIe solutions. Soli Deo Gloria |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
A question I went through 3 years ago and earlier this year. In both cases I purchases 2 x NVIDIA Geforce 9500GT PCI cards (not Express) for - 91) and old, still running, dual P3; and. (2) a dual AGP P4 based Xeon. The 9500GT PCI cards for the dual Xeon are from the Jaton Corporation and identified, on the box, as Video-498PCI-DLP NVIDIA GeForce 9500GTs. I managed, at considerable expense, to purchase 2 x 9500GT PCI GPUs as new and unused. The 9500GT is the most powerful GPU available for the PCI (not Express) slots. I see that Newegg has some at $89 at ,http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139046. also Amazon claims to have 4 available @$84 - http://www.amazon.com/Nvidia-Geforce-9500GT-2PORT-Profile/dp/B0021AESDM $83.59 If you search this forun (NC) for my old thread about March, you can see the conversation I had about this card with knowledgeable posters. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
There is also a ZOTAC GeForce GT 430 in PCI, i haven't tried looking to see if it's freely available, Claggy |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Assuming the Zoltec can be got in PCI, it's 96 shaders see the 9500GT's 32 shaders fad behing and the Zoltec should be the faster cruncher. Make sure it is PCI (not Express) only, as much advertising using PCI forgets the older real PCI bus. But, looking at the specification of this card it's power draw is definitely in the PCI plug in and no additional power leads needed range. I would seriously investigate this card first. Just looked at this NVIDIA site for GPU comparisons, and the GT 430 (bottom of the list) seems to be twice as fast as both the GT 530 and GT220. But if you click on the "compare prices" all the lists show the card as a PCI-E one. Be careful that is it not one of these. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Steve Robertson Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 38 Credit: 2,643,210 RAC: 0 |
I looked at the Amazon one and the only review stated that even though the ad clearly shows a PCI a PCI (express) is what showed up which is exactly what I am afraid of. I might just keep looking on eBay for a cheap retired card to show up where I can ask the owner directly to verify what it is. |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
You need to keep an eye out for this part number: ZT-40605-10L Claggy |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Back to the PCI (not express) NVIDIA 9500GT graphics card. I spent time searching through my paperwork and found the following - Pinnaclemicro is the supplier/order taker, and can be found physically at - Pinnaclemicro 3400 W MacArthur Blvd Suite E Santa Ana CA Phone: 714-662-4959 The link for the Jaton VIDEO-498PCI-DLP part/model number is - http://www.pinnaclemicro.com/computer/parts.php (I let you use or make the link active). Paste in this model/part number - Video-498PCI-DLP - and the correct Jaton card details and price will pop in to my Pinnaclemicro link. The new GPUs are expensive, and you may wish to check Pinnaclemicro out for one of the Zotac GT 430 PCI (not Express) cards as well. But, despite the expense, I was able to get 2 new 9500GT cards shipped to the UK. I hope this will help you find the card you want, and that it is the PCI (not Express) version! One further bit of investigation - I plugged Claggy's reminder of the Zolac GPU's part number - ZT-40605-10L - in to the Pinnaclemicro search box and got 5 potential hits, all slightly below or the same as the price I found for the 9500GT PCI card. All of these state they use DDR3 RAM, and this is usually associated with the PCI-E bus. I strongly recommend you use their 24/7 help line, either by IM of the phone. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
.clair. Send message Joined: 4 Nov 04 Posts: 1300 Credit: 55,390,408 RAC: 69 |
You need to keep an eye out for this part number: ZT-40605-10L After reading the `is CUDA on AGP` thread I decide to put my money where my mouth is and got my GT 430 PCI from http://www.alternate.atGT 430 PCI I had to use google translate to order it http://translate.google.com/ I am running Lunatics app and have today finished overclocking it using Furmark 1.8.2 in kill mode :¬) OS is win 7 GPU from 700 < 856Mhz memory from 600 < 810Mhz shaders from 1400 < 1713Mhz temps 56c default volts 1.080v GPU load 92 < 99 % mem controler load 83 < 88 % mem used 259 MB - 32 MB if BOINC not running In the case it is in the front case intake fan blows air under the heatsink and i left the pci blanking plate out from the slot below the card to give air an exit point where it is needed, I dont know what it`s rac will be yet, watch this spaceComputer 6132200 Anything else anyone needs to know about this card, just ask i will do what i can to answer. edit - it cost me £73.84 inc delivery I used the overclocking app that come`s on the drivers disk (driver 266:58 ) Some info about it from the zotac GT 430 PCI web page. |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
Searching Zotac's UK stockists today, i found the zotac GT 430 PCI in Stock at www.microdirect.co.uk The part number is right, the Picture looks like a PCI Card, just the text is wrong, Claggy |
.clair. Send message Joined: 4 Nov 04 Posts: 1300 Credit: 55,390,408 RAC: 69 |
Searching Zotac's UK stockists today, i found the zotac GT 430 PCI in Stock at www.microdirect.co.uk I did not find that page on previous serches !! Yes, the pic`s and part number are correct but the specs are silly. I ran some Einstein work units through it as well and for some reason they took a very long time to crunch compared to wingman, I dont have any idea why. edit - compared to a GT 460 wingman on seti |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gt-430-us.html I think someone is over reading a mistake on 1 website. There appears to only be a PCIe card for the 430. it looks like the wikipedia lists the highest functioning PCI card as the geforce g 210. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gt-430-us.html Then how come Clive G1FYE is running a PCI GT430 then? WiKiPedia entries can be easily edited to updated someone else's incorrect information, Claggy |
Grand Admiral Thrawn Send message Joined: 19 Feb 01 Posts: 54 Credit: 23,149,634 RAC: 38 |
I have the Zotac GT430 PCI myself, and also the Sparkle 9500GT on PCI. The GT430 is clearly the stronger cruncher, and hence the most powerful PCI-attached nVidia GPU for CUDA SETI. I bought both for my HP T5710 thinclient modification project, but the 9500GT has a tricky PCI-2-PCIe bridge chip that doesn't like some ALi/ULi PCI controllers.. the GT430 from Zotac uses a nice PLX PEX8112 bridge chip, that seems to work in almost all systems. See, the 9500GT in an HP T5710 Thinclient: And, even better, the passively cooled Zotac GT430 PCI: Both cards can do CUDA SETI just fine, I am currently using the 9500GT for crunching in an old Pentium4 Northwood system with only PCI and AGP Slots, and the GT430 is sometimes crunching inside this Thinclient. Primary use for the GT430 is video acceleration though (DXVA1). BUT, for CUDA SETI, the GT430 requires some airflow, otherwise it WILL overheat! 3dfx Voodoo5 6000 AGP HiNT Rev.A 3700 prototype, dead HiNT bridge |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
please explain how even the manufacturer doesn't even recognize a PCI version of the 430 checked out newegg for PCI slot video cards. Hmmm the best they have is an Nvidia 9500. you'll fare worse at Tigerdirect. So it seems that you've either purchased the only PCI Nvidia 430 that was ever made or you are mistaking a PCIe card for a PCI card. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
BilBg Send message Joined: 27 May 07 Posts: 3720 Credit: 9,385,827 RAC: 0 |
please explain how even the manufacturer doesn't even recognize a PCI version of the 430 Which manufacturer? nVidia? Maybe because the GPU chip itself have only logic to directly connect to PCIe and to be possible to connect to PCI as on these cards the manufacturer of the card (Zotac, Sparkle) needed to use third-party bridge chips to transform the PCIe signals to PCI and vice versa. Â - ALF - "Find out what you don't do well ..... then don't do it!" :) Â |
arkayn Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 4438 Credit: 55,006,323 RAC: 0 |
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skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
please click on that link then click on the link at the bottom of the page labeled WHERE TO BUY. You'll see several places you can purchase that particular card. Not one site labels that card as a PCI. all of them do call it a PCI express 2.0 card http://www.dabs.com/products/zotac-geforce-gts-430-700mhz-1gb-pci-express-hdmi-zone-76FP.html?refs=50634-55040000 In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
please explain how even the manufacturer doesn't even recognize a PCI version of the 430 Simple Nvidia does not make a PCI version of the 430 chip, only PCIe. These cards, as Thrawn pointed out, use bridge chips to allow the chips PCIe interface to connect to the PCI bus. Much like the first PCIe cards were nothing more than the same old GPUs with AGP interfaces and bridge chips to allow then to connect to the PCIe interface. Edit: You can also see Thrawn's post with a photo of the PCI card if you doubt it exists. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
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