Dale Farm Travellers

The only problem I have with all of this is "they're supposed to be travellers"?

Really? SO why need a fixed base?

As far as I'm concerned, the moment they set up a permanent static residence, they become residents & legally liable for all taxes & utilitiy bills due!

So, which is it to be? Travellers or residents? And that is sweet damn all to do with racism!
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They do the same in the USA, very very organized. Others pretend to be contractors or handymen. Needless to say work is so substandard it is hazardous and you had better inventory your dwelling after they leave. A few are part of a carnival. Doubt the rides ever get inspected, but at least they aren't out boosting stuff. Some that have settled down become fortune tellers.

In older days, grandpa's time, word that the Gypsies were in town meant to lock everything up and sit on your porch with a shotgun. Literally.

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From Doncaster council which has the largest number of Gypsy and Traveller population.

Gypsy & Traveller Myth Buster

From Doncaster council which has the largest number of Gypsy and Traveller population.

Gypsy & Traveller Myth Buster

From Doncaster council which has the largest number of Gypsy and Traveller population.

Gypsy & Traveller Myth Buster

Fantastic...currently printing it out for forwarding to the Race Relations Board.

That is the one of the most highly discriminating documents I've ever had the pleasure in reading....

Follow ups to come..............

From Doncaster council which has the largest number of Gypsy and Traveller population.

Gypsy & Traveller Myth Buster

Fantastic...currently printing it out for forwarding to the Race Relations Board.

That is the one of the most highly discriminating documents I've ever had the pleasure in reading....

Follow ups to come..............

Really Sirius? It seemed perfectly rational and reasonable to me.

I'm not sure if you know what the word 'discriminating' actually means.

I found that Doncaster report very useful reading indeed, and I was not aware of certain facts or information. I didn't know that Travellers are a recognised social community under the Race Relations Act, I knew Romany Gysies were but not those. I also didn't know that Councils have had no legal obligation to provide sites since 1984. I also didn't know that setting an an unauthorised encampment on someone elses land is not in itself a crime.

In this case they actually own the land, so what they are being evicted for is using designated green belt land for residential purposes. A brownfield site is classed as one that is not now being used for its previous purpose. So if it was a scrapyard and was in disuse when it was bought, then it was technically a brownfield site. I can only assume that the council re-designated it as greenfield to stop the scrapyard being re-activated.

They are called Irish Travellers simply because the majority of them are in fact Irish, if they were all Welsh they would be simply be called Welsh Travellers. The Irish have laws to prevent Travellers sites, which is why they have chosen to come to England to live their lifestyle. It is NOT a racist descrimination at all.

The UN diving in has unfortunately muddied the waters and not helped. This situation has now changed from one of simple breaking of planning laws to one of alleged racist discrimination against a recognised minority community, which is a completely different thing altogether. The only chance they had to stay there was to go down this route, they wouldn't have won the first battle.

Yes I think we do have different travelling communities, I'm decribing the groups of caravans and motor homes that do travel in convoys around the country. We had an incidence within a couple of miles from me about 5 years ago. Overnight 30 vans turned up and camped on an open public grassed area used to walk dogs and play football. They were there for 4 months before they got shifted on.

During that time local shoplifting soared as did petty crime and housebreaking. There was an increase in disorder in local pubs, and women with young kids would beg in the street, and swore at you if you wouldn't give them anything. Others knocked on doors selling lucky heather for £1, and gave you a curse if you didn't buy it. I learnt later from the police that there was also extra sales of drugs by the local dealers. Those are what we call Pikeys.

The mess they left behind was horrific, a burnt out car, broken furniture, human and dog excrement, areas where they had lit fires, rats were seen, old clothes and bin bags littered the place. It took the council weeks to clean it up. A year later you could still see the after effects.

The group at Dale Farm do not appear to be like them, so yes I do think there are different levels of travellers, some which give a bad name to others. So what is the way forward here ?

Sorry Chris but you're wrong on several points. 1: I made no mention of racist discrimination but discrimination itself. 2: this country is now highly Political Correct...that Doncaster link should be along the lines as Leeds have done... Gypsy, Roma & Traveller Communities.

Therefore if PC is to be understood, there should be no singling out of any particular nationality..however as been proved many times in the past BHL's tend to be choosy at what they stand up for & defend.
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OK, we'll agree to disagree then :-) Can you please confirm what BHL's are, I'm not clear on that one.

OK, we'll agree to disagree then :-) Can you please confirm what BHL's are, I'm not clear on that one.

OK thanks, should have twigged really, I even couldn't even find it on the web!

"Well if we're gonna have to go, might as well try and make a few bob out of it...."

6 million

A bit rich for the Jewish community to be supporting the gypsies in their endeavors to break the law especially after what happened to the jewish community via the lawless "Nazi" thugs in Germany during the 1940's.

Perhaps the Jewish community's memories of the "lawless" Nazis is better than yours?

Prime Minister David Cameron has given his support to plans to evict travellers from the UK's largest illegal settlement, as barricades at the site reportedly prevented some residents from leaving.

Conservative MP John Baron, who represents Basildon and Billericay, asked Mr Cameron for his support during Prime Minister's questions. He said: "Will the Prime Minister join me in sending a very clear message to the travellers at the illegal Dale Farm site?

"We all hope they move off peacefully in order to avoid a forced eviction, but if not, be in no doubt the Government fully supports Basildon council and Essex Police in reclaiming this green belt land on behalf of the law-abiding majority."

Mr Cameron replied: "I certainly give my support to the Essex Police and to all the county and district councils that have been involved, and I pay tribute to the honourable member for the very hard work he's put in on this issue."

The initial stance of the residents there was that they were being discriminated against as an recognised ethnic minority, and that they would stay as a matter of principle. Suported of course by all the left wing sympathisers that you would expect.

Since then their leader has said that they will leave for £6 million. A figure which I am sure can be negotiated.

So, the only issue now at stake is how much is it worth to the council to get rid of them. Which I think was probably the only real stumbling block in the first place.

Anyone feel that they have been stitched up?