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Message 1160578 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 14:37:51 UTC
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It's in the Travellers interests to drag this out as long as they can, so they can try and get more concessions. They have already won that some plots can stay, and now all the fences and walls will remain.

They will eventually go, we all know that, and so do they. But they will milk it for all it's worth in the meantime, which was only to be expected. This is seen as a landmark case in Traveller history and it is only sensible to dot all the i's and cross all the t's.

I haven't seen any reporting of legal aid being applied for, although it wouldn't surprise me.

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Message 1160642 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 17:40:44 UTC

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Message 1161414 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 8:57:22 UTC
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Nothing in the Englsih press so far. Looks like they have won some more concessions, we should know more later.

On the last day of the hearing of the judicial review application, Mr Justice Ouseley was told the council had agreed that some families could not be evicted by direct action.

Richard Harwood, representing site resident Margaret McCarthy, argued the council's original aim in taking direct action - to restore the whole site to a cleared, open state - was impossible to achieve.


edit - the BBC have woken up at last

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Further delay might be caused if the travellers decide to try to appeal if they lose.


Well of course they will, and if that fails they'll go to the ECJ and the ECHR as well. Every day they can delay this is to their advantage.

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Message 1161532 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 16:12:02 UTC

About time!

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Message 1161562 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 17:38:06 UTC

We will see, a lot can happen in 4 days ..... I don't think this is over yet.

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Message 1161888 - Posted: 13 Oct 2011, 15:19:40 UTC

Dale Farm Solidarity member Jake Fulton said: "People are already flooding back, both travellers and supporters. The residents would continue to resist eviction

"We are expecting a big swell over the next couple of days and we'll be ready for when they come. "Of course we are going to try and appeal this decision but we don't know what's going to happen there. "We'll have to rely on the physical defences now that the legal ones have failed us."

The judge refused the travellers permission to appeal, but those in court said they would ask the Court of Appeal itself to hear their case. On Wednesday night, Candy Sheridan, vice-chair of the Gypsy Council, said she expected lawyers to ask the Court of Appeal for permission to appeal within two days.

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Message 1162223 - Posted: 14 Oct 2011, 15:50:28 UTC

An aside while we await more Dale Fram info.

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Message 1162287 - Posted: 14 Oct 2011, 19:39:02 UTC

So, when will it happen, then?
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Message 1162573 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 8:26:54 UTC

The Council says sooner rather than later, but not before Monday. I think they are letting them have the w/e to let any go who voluntarily want to move out. There is also talk of a last ditch submission to the Court of Appeal, which might yet delay things further.

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Message 1162585 - Posted: 15 Oct 2011, 8:56:20 UTC
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With all the millions of lost appeals the squatters and illegally present residents have made recently, and over the last year. I think the court should rule it's about time the courts ruled that "no more appeals will be accepted, heard or ruled on".

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Message 1163213 - Posted: 17 Oct 2011, 16:03:33 UTC
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It's just been announced that the Travellers have been refused permission to appeal against the high courts decision, after todays latest hearing. So the evictions can now go ahead.

The supporters are using Twitter to muster support for a final stand off, and they say the site is in lockdown mode. But it looks like it is basically all over. I thought they might go to Europe but there is no word yet upon that.

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Message 1163266 - Posted: 17 Oct 2011, 18:31:16 UTC

It looks like the cycle of appeal-losing appeal-appeal-losing appeal-appeal had now come to a legal end.

Now, I hope, there will be an orderly, and friction free, leaving of the site and site dismantling.

After 10 years it's about time.

I assume the squatting laws were looking at the Council in the face (12 years)
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Message 1163648 - Posted: 19 Oct 2011, 10:00:03 UTC
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The evictions started at 7.00am this morning (wednesday) amid senes of resistance and violence. Following intelligence received, that violence was certain, Riot police went in first via a rear fence to clear the way for the Baliffs. Two people tasered, and a number of arrests. Police now at the maingate on the inside.

At the moment there is a bit of a standoff, while they wait to gain access through the main gate. Officers have now begun removing protesters from the 40ft (12m) high scaffolding on the main gate. Several masked protesters have been taken away in handcuffs. About 25 protesters remain on the rampart and officers are removing them one by one.

The Council say they were offered alternative sites eslewhere but refused, they were also offered Council accommodation which they also refused. A number of fences have been torn down to gain access but the Council say they will reinstate them after the clearance, as they are legally allowed to remain.

Nobody wanted this state of affairs, but there was no alternative, it had to happen. I can see that it must be sad to leave somwhere where you have lived for 10 years, and your kids have friends at school, but the Travellers always knew they'd have to go eventually.

They say they have nowhere else to go, but I'd be very suprised if they hsdn't made plans weeks ago, to be somewhere else. We will see.

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Message 1163722 - Posted: 19 Oct 2011, 17:16:50 UTC
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1970 - Basildon Council gives planning permission to 40 English Romany families to live beside a scrapyard.

1996 - Scrapyard owner Ray Bocking, denied permission to carry on his business, sells Dale Farm to an Irish travelling family for £122,000.


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Message 1163951 - Posted: 20 Oct 2011, 17:17:32 UTC

The Travellers stage a mass walkout.

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Message 1164023 - Posted: 20 Oct 2011, 21:20:55 UTC

A shameful affair.

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Message 1164036 - Posted: 20 Oct 2011, 21:44:02 UTC

Yes it was Hev, for three reasons.

1. The Council should have been able to have offered reasonable local sites in Essex that were legal. Moving to Liverpool was not really a fair option.

2. The Judge should have stayed the eviction until suitable alternative accommodation was agreed.

3. The Travellers were "used" by protesters, who jumped upon their cause so that they could oppose authority and have a punch-up with the police, for their own ends, not on behalf of the travellers.

The Travellers simply had to go, if they hadn't, then the Planning laws in this country would have been in complete disarray. It was also a landmark case for other Councils in the same position elsewhere. It was not ethnic cleansing at all, that was their defence to gain public sympathy.

The simple truth is that the general public will accept genuine Romany Gypsies and their preferred lifestyle, but they are not hospitable to Irish Travellers because of the general disruption and petty crime that usually accompanies them.

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Message 1164167 - Posted: 21 Oct 2011, 9:03:22 UTC

The travellers said they were shocked at the level of violence and had always intended to leave peacefully.

Fourteen people remain in police custody out of the 39 arrested. A woman has been charged with a public order offence and 23 people have been bailed. Police revealed that none of those arrested were travellers.


The following is from the Dale Farm own web page.

Dale Farm has brought the ingrained prejudice against Travellers into public view, from constant rejections of planning permission, to hostile local authorities, to violent evictions. The true long-term impact of Dale Farm will be a movement of travellers and supporters to change attitudes so travelling people can live in peace and not be criminalised.

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Message 1171354 - Posted: 16 Nov 2011, 10:13:21 UTC
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I had intended to let this thread die a peaceful death, but it appears that it's now going to start all over again ......

What with this and St.Pauls, and the other Occupy stand off's around the world, this certainly seems the decade of Civil disobedience, and public protest.

They're back!

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Message 1171363 - Posted: 16 Nov 2011, 10:44:03 UTC
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