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Message 1143676 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 2:21:03 UTC

"Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- The 42-year rule of Moammar Gadhafi appeared on the verge of collapse early Monday, with rebel supporters packing the same Tripoli square where regime loyalists had congregated for months.

The celebrations came in response to rebel inroads into the capital and news that two of Moammar Gadhafi's sons -- Saif al-Islam and Saadi -- have been arrested by opposition forces. Jumma Ibrahim, a rebel spokesman based in Libya's western mountain region, said both were captured in Tripoli.

International Criminal Court chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo also said Saif Gadhafi had been arrested and would be sought by court "for his participation in crimes against humanity (affecting) the Libyan people.""

Sound as if an ugly civil war is coming to an end.


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Message 1143687 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 2:43:05 UTC

Sound as if an ugly civil war is coming to an end.

After The End, The Real War Starts.

And No Peace Prize Potus will Stop It.

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Message 1143718 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 4:04:00 UTC - in response to Message 1143687.

We can only hope there is not too much bloodletting.
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Message 1143727 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 4:19:55 UTC - in response to Message 1143687.

[After The End, The Real War Starts.

I can agree with this part, or at least the possibility.

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Message 1143728 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 4:22:21 UTC

I hope this comes to an end soon too. My only flight to Africa, started in Frankfurt, my exit Tunis, then it went on to Tripoli. That was in the early 70s.
We were on high alert, because of terrorists. But all that was done in Frankfurt was, you had to claim ownership of the luggage. One bag was not claimed.
Go back to the basics. Have the person take ownership, then exam the bag closer.
Probably a lot cheaper and more efficient.
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Message 1143749 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 7:17:09 UTC
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Hopefully they learnt enough lessons and should build their successful new country soon following suit of some of those oil rich countries.
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Message 1143753 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 7:44:47 UTC - in response to Message 1143687.

Null -- indeed, what is with this sense of the need to do away with good old fashioned dictators.

Bring back the good old days of Idi Amin, Pot Pol and the like -- you know, when men were men <smile>


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Message 1143765 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 9:05:43 UTC
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We could be seeing the beginning of the end. PM Cameron has yet again cut short a replacement holiday to return to Downing Street because of it. Latest reports say 2 of Gaddafis sons captured and majority of Tripoli under rebel control.

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Message 1143783 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 11:31:47 UTC - in response to Message 1143765.

PM Cameron has yet again cut short a replacement holiday to return to Downing Street because of it.


Well done Mr Cameron

Oil prices fall as rebels enter Libyan capital

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Message 1143784 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 11:38:52 UTC

11.34: Anti-Gaddafi hackers have defaced Libya's internet domain name registry, computer security company Sophos reports. BBC Monitoring says the nic.ly site currently shows a Libyan rebel flag and the words "bye bye Gaddafi".


1231: US officials have been told that rebels have seized control of Libya's state TV, US Assistant Secretary of State Jeffrey Feltman tells ABC. The report can't be confirmed.

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Message 1143829 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 15:00:57 UTC - in response to Message 1143783.

PM Cameron has yet again cut short a replacement holiday to return to Downing Street because of it.


Well done Mr Cameron

Oil prices fall as rebels enter Libyan capital


Yay, Mr. Obama! I knew you could bring down gas prices, Superman! Captain America! Woo hoo!

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Message 1143878 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 16:09:19 UTC - in response to Message 1143784.

11.34: Anti-Gaddafi hackers have defaced Libya's internet domain name registry, computer security company Sophos reports. BBC Monitoring says the nic.ly site currently shows a Libyan rebel flag and the words "bye bye Gaddafi".


1231: US officials have been told that rebels have seized control of Libya's state TV, US Assistant Secretary of State Jeffrey Feltman tells ABC. The report can't be confirmed.


Hackers? They are probably standing over the server console.


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Message 1143932 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 17:22:32 UTC

What is interesting, or better sad in all this is that in Syria 2000 people where killed by the government forces during their uprising.
In Lybia, well we had NATO bombing Ghadafi, and now I just read the Anouncement made by the Italian Minister of Foreign Affairs, that The Lybian Oil should be controled by "international oil companies" like ENI.
Well sadly there is no oil on syria. And I'm sure of one thing, the rebels that will replace ghadafi aren't better... same crap, just different flies.

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Message 1143947 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 17:44:35 UTC - in response to Message 1143932.

So far, everything is too unstable in Syria for arial intervention.
Ghadafi was bombing his own people, the no fly zone slowed that down. Mass troop movements made targets. In Syria, they have no center of force for rebellion. In fact rebellion has not yet fully occured. This does not make it good, but it allows limited room for intervention,other than ground forces.

And much like Libya, ground forces would catalyze the people against anyone who sent them in.

It is up to both how they are willing to live, and how much they will endure.
Sad to watch, but it does give opportunity for hope.
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Message 1144052 - Posted: 22 Aug 2011, 20:29:57 UTC - in response to Message 1143932.

Syria presents a far more complicated situation compared to Libya

1) Much larger population
2) Border with Israel
3) Supported directly by Iran
4) Large Palestinian population
5) Much larger and well equipped army
6) Border with Turkey, Jordan, Iraq
7) Large Iraqi refugee population
8) Border with Lebanon and supporter of Hezbollah

Navigating that mess is something NATO countries want to avoid -- especially as the much simpler Libya situation demonstrated the far edge of NATO capabilities even with the vast majority of Libyan targets being within 25 miles of the Mediterranean.

Also, Syria has a very real ethnic mix of Kurds, Christians, Sunni, Shi'a, Druze and the like (in addition to the refugee population). That makes action very questionable.

Adding to that is this, Russia and China got 'hustled' in the Security Council into abstaining (not vetoing) resolutions regarding Libya. That is NOT going to happen on Syria.



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Message 1144251 - Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 10:14:15 UTC

Loyalist Gaddafi forces are still fighting back, with very heavy gunfire being reported and many casualties. Clearly this is not over yet. But with the NATO onslaught continuing, there is only ever going to be one outcome, it's just a case now of how long it takes.

More and more Middle East countries are officially recognising the Rebel movement, and others are saying they won't have Gaddafi in exile. He knows it is all over, but he can't be seen to be giving up, if he wants the support of his remaining loyalists at the end of it.

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Message 1144323 - Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 15:15:42 UTC - in response to Message 1144251.
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He knows it is all over, but he can't be seen to be giving up, if he wants the support of his remaining loyalists at the end of it.



Gaddafi wants to fight to the last of his loyalists. I wonder if that includes himself?
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Message 1144357 - Posted: 23 Aug 2011, 16:00:04 UTC
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Gaddafi wants to fight to the last of his loyalists. I wonder if that includes himself?

Most tyrants or dictators need a certain number of their loyalists to protect them in exile, so that they may continue in their mistaken idolation. If they cannot guarantee that, some choose to die fightiNg rather than live in ignominy.

If Gaddafi, or his sons get captured, they are likely to face a war crimes tribunal, therefore I think he will either fight to the death, or slide out to a bolt hole with his closest aides at the last moment.

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By the looks of things, we should know one way or the other in 24 hours or so.

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Message 1144397 - Posted: 24 Aug 2011, 0:54:46 UTC - in response to Message 1144357.

Gaddafi wants to fight to the last of his loyalists. I wonder if that includes himself?

Most tyrants or dictators need a certain number of their loyalists to protect them in exile, so that they may continue in their mistaken idolation. If they cannot guarantee that, some choose to die fightiNg rather than live in ignominy.

If Gaddafi, or his sons get captured, they are likely to face a war crimes tribunal, therefore I think he will either fight to the death, or slide out to a bolt hole with his closest aides at the last moment.

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By the looks of things, we should know one way or the other in 24 hours or so.

Considering the last calls from Qaddafi or Gaddafi(or however His name is spelled) were pretty scratchy and occurred about a week ago, He's more likely on the lamb heading south, maybe...

But then the Rebels are fighting against rear guard decoy troops left behind, most just donned civilian outfits and melted away, My guess see the map, look for either Sabha or Taraghin where Loyalist forces were supposedly massed at.

And rebel leader Mahmoud Jibril, currently in Qatar, warned that there were still places that needed urgent help, such as the southern city of Sabha which is home to many members of Col Gaddafi's tribe.

"Today, the atrocious Gaddafi's brigades continued to bomb Sabha city viciously," said Mr Jibril, who is considered as prime minister of the interim rebel government, the National Transitional Council (NTC).




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They secured the Tumu border crossing and took Al Qatrun on July 17, without a shot, also capturing a military airfield and outpost at Al Wigh near the Nigerien border. Pro-Gaddafi forces were believed to had withdrawn to Taraghin in order to block a suspected rebel advance on Sabha, but rebel forces bypassed Taraghin in their northward press in order to capture the village of Umm Al Aranib as a forward base.


For once Dead or Alive sounds good, although most would like to see this reputedly insane man and His family in chains and very much alive, I'd like to see them alive too, then It will be over with for good.
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Message 1144465 - Posted: 24 Aug 2011, 6:12:17 UTC

"With a name like Qgadafiy, he's GOT to be gone!"

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