'What-if' an advanced ET were to notice Earth?...


log in

Advanced search

Message boards : SETI@home Science : 'What-if' an advanced ET were to notice Earth?...

Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · Next
Author Message
Profile ML1
Volunteer tester
Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 8601
Credit: 4,259,112
RAC: 1,362
United Kingdom
Message 1144938 - Posted: 25 Aug 2011, 11:34:45 UTC - in response to Message 1144657.
Last modified: 25 Aug 2011, 11:34:59 UTC

Man these topics do tend to wander off the track.

Oooer... Don't say that! You'll have the red-x gang tearing down the thread!

Oooer #2... Have we not already jumped off the rails of the OT Guidelines?...


Keep searchin',

(We might find something!)

Cheers,
Martin
____________
See new freedom: Mageia4
Linux Voice See & try out your OS Freedom!
The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)

Profile Orgil
Send message
Joined: 3 Aug 05
Posts: 979
Credit: 103,388
RAC: 0
Mongolia
Message 1145245 - Posted: 26 Aug 2011, 3:01:53 UTC
Last modified: 26 Aug 2011, 3:08:51 UTC

Maybe from our perspective assuming every life forms and intelligence sources from only water or carbon based beings might be too naive. Well many theories suggested about other chemistry based life conditions.

Through diversified carbon molecule dominances there are diversified carbon lab planets likely support different life forms thus diversified intelligence approaches could evolve.
____________
Mandtugai!

C Olival
Send message
Joined: 6 Sep 10
Posts: 209
Credit: 10,675
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1145277 - Posted: 26 Aug 2011, 5:27:57 UTC - in response to Message 1145245.

Carbon based life makes more sense, carbon is a common element throughout the universe; sillicon based life is possible, albeit, sillicon is not as nearly common as carbon.

Max Garth
Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 03
Posts: 36
Credit: 2,095,482
RAC: 0
Australia
Message 1145301 - Posted: 26 Aug 2011, 7:24:06 UTC

In Egypt in a burial crypt, from the 2000bc era, dug up in the 1880's, on a lintel over the entry door is a carved side view of a helicopter.Who flew choppers then, like 3000 years ago.
And in the 1960/70's a scientist from NASA actually did a bit of research on Ezikiel's "space vehicle" and while it can be built in current times, it cannot be flown because of the lack of a suitable driving force, ie reactor. We are well behind the owners of that vehicle.
Does "out there" matter more than "right under our noses???"
MaxG. VBG

____________

Profile William Rothamel
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Oct 06
Posts: 2645
Credit: 1,180,935
RAC: 60
United States
Message 1145324 - Posted: 26 Aug 2011, 9:43:41 UTC - in response to Message 1145301.

Do some reading on the "helicopter" and you will find out that it is a glyph that got blurred over the ages.

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 32632
Credit: 14,513,171
RAC: 13,889
United Kingdom
Message 1145353 - Posted: 26 Aug 2011, 11:51:48 UTC

OzzFan
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 02
Posts: 13704
Credit: 31,717,922
RAC: 12,669
United States
Message 1145378 - Posted: 26 Aug 2011, 13:45:38 UTC - in response to Message 1145301.

In Egypt in a burial crypt, from the 2000bc era, dug up in the 1880's, on a lintel over the entry door is a carved side view of a helicopter.Who flew choppers then, like 3000 years ago.
And in the 1960/70's a scientist from NASA actually did a bit of research on Ezikiel's "space vehicle" and while it can be built in current times, it cannot be flown because of the lack of a suitable driving force, ie reactor. We are well behind the owners of that vehicle.
Does "out there" matter more than "right under our noses???"
MaxG. VBG


It's generally believed that people are applying familiarity with today's objects with what was drawn then. Sort of like how some people will try to re-interpret the Bible with today's knowledge and insist that's what the original authors meant.

I could do the same to Moby Dick, but that doesn't mean the author had any omniscient knowledge of the future because I interpret it a specific way.

Server
Send message
Joined: 18 May 11
Posts: 1
Credit: 13,360
RAC: 0
Greece
Message 1149298 - Posted: 5 Sep 2011, 19:19:32 UTC

Just a question which may have been posted by others in the past but I'm unaware of since I'm new to this board:

Some of the pulses detected by Astropulse couldn't be caused by EMPs from nuclear wars in distant planets? Obviously one cannot readily differentiate them from other naturally occurring pulses yet they could be an admittedly sad manifestation of intelligent life out there. I don't know what the effective radiated power would be in the segment of the spectrum we are tuning in but I would imagine is quite large.

Chris

C Olival
Send message
Joined: 6 Sep 10
Posts: 209
Credit: 10,675
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1149363 - Posted: 5 Sep 2011, 21:31:25 UTC - in response to Message 1145378.

The distances between stars are to vast, unless those aliens have mastered warmhole traveling, or other exoctic means of propulsion; higly doubtfull that aliens ever visited Earth or ever will. The " what if, or you never know " scenarios simply do not aplly. Lets apply physics and astronomy when talking about ET visiting Earth. Like saying the aliens helped the Egyptians, Astecs, and Incas in building their pyramids, that is called, bad astronomy. Much more probable that SETI will capture ETI radios signals. The identification of habitable planets with life will happen with tools such as Keppler space telescope, and other telescopes.

Profile vulcan-superior
Send message
Joined: 4 Sep 11
Posts: 5
Credit: 22,233
RAC: 80
United States
Message 1150211 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 21:40:59 UTC

BTW, my SETI@HOME project just picked up a Gaussian pulse with a score of 4.2....:O

Profile Chris SProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 19 Nov 00
Posts: 32632
Credit: 14,513,171
RAC: 13,889
United Kingdom
Message 1150228 - Posted: 8 Sep 2011, 22:03:01 UTC
Last modified: 8 Sep 2011, 22:03:58 UTC

Go to Defcon 2, break out the tinfoil hats.....

Profile ignorance is no excuse
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 4 Oct 00
Posts: 9529
Credit: 44,433,321
RAC: 0
Korea, North
Message 1150259 - Posted: 9 Sep 2011, 0:19:19 UTC - in response to Message 1150211.

BTW, my SETI@HOME project just picked up a Gaussian pulse with a score of 4.2....:O

you mentioned this on another thread. No need to spam. Your results will get their review just not by us. If the result is anything it will be added to the millions of other results in the data base
____________
In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

End terrorism by building a school

Max Garth
Send message
Joined: 29 Jun 03
Posts: 36
Credit: 2,095,482
RAC: 0
Australia
Message 1154293 - Posted: 21 Sep 2011, 1:04:36 UTC

In the 1950'S a guy flying a Sea Fury fighter between Goulbourn and Nowra in NSW Aust took some gun camera film of a "thing" which was clocked on radar, departing the scene at 1400mph, which was NOT attainable by "then" aircraft in service use.
I suppose he had a "vision", like dream at 20,000 feet doing 450mph.
There were 2 of those "things" and they were tracked on a 277 radar site.
I looked at the pic of the things on the lintel, and it looked OK to me, along with the other images. Like the "Varamas"
Are we sure that Ezekiel was a nutter,or do these things??? make a 50 year round trip every 50 years to see how we are doing.
If I were a "advanced" Space guy the last place I'd want to visit would be here.
If you were to imagine what people doing long space trips looked like, they would not be like us. At least 30% of our size, saves space inside vehicles, reduces load levels, fixed populations,no baby boomers, reproduction by cloning, and long sleeps during trips.
We need to start reducing our size, or we will never get off this falling apart brick.
We have about 1 million years before the planet starts rolling about.VBG.
MaxG.
____________

Profile Gary CharpentierProject donor
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 25 Dec 00
Posts: 13180
Credit: 7,935,671
RAC: 15,146
United States
Message 1154297 - Posted: 21 Sep 2011, 1:16:35 UTC - in response to Message 1154293.

In the 1950'S a guy flying a Sea Fury fighter between Goulbourn and Nowra in NSW Aust took some gun camera film of a "thing" which was clocked on radar, departing the scene at 1400mph, which was NOT attainable by "then" aircraft in service use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier
By the 1950s, new aircraft designs started to routinely "break" the sound barrier.

And what part of secret government program ...

Just like the Aurora Aircraft (classified no such thing) that the Caltech Seismology laboratory tracked every time it flew back to Area 51 via Southern California from the Pacific Ocean Test Area.
____________

William
Send message
Joined: 28 Jul 11
Posts: 17
Credit: 169,798
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1155057 - Posted: 22 Sep 2011, 23:36:00 UTC

Scanning through Project Bluebook I begin to wonder if we already have. Is it possible the nuclear end to world war two got their attention? In the 1950’s there were enough sightings for the government to investigate with some interesting results. That may be due to media coverage bringing it to every ones attention or it may be there were more sightings so the media reacted but the increase in sightings had another cause. Possibly two large nuclear bursts getting every ones attention? Which is cause and which is effect? I don’t want to rule out either case but I find the timing interesting.

C Olival
Send message
Joined: 6 Sep 10
Posts: 209
Credit: 10,675
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1155111 - Posted: 23 Sep 2011, 2:37:01 UTC - in response to Message 1154293.

Just like the B17th stealth plane, during its development in the late 70's to 80's, people leaving around area 51 would think that they saw a UFO. Just an earthly plane. UFOs are stuff fantasy, no substance in reality or science.

musicplayer
Send message
Joined: 17 May 10
Posts: 1502
Credit: 749,092
RAC: 263
Message 1156172 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 2:44:57 UTC

Frequenting these message boards, I am of the impression that those people running the Seti@home project do not believe in UFO's, that we are possibly being visited, that UFO's are crafts or beings of some sorts.

Rather they are looking for a signal coming to us through space, originating from a distant solar system possibly having planets, or if not so, a signal coming from somewhere in space itself.

But UFO's generally are not known to be producing signals. Also they are regarded as being fast moving objects.

Using Google Toolbar in my Internet Explorer web-browser I put in the words "Type 4 civilization".

There was some stuff I came across a couple of days ago which related to the propulsion technologies which might be used by different types of civilizations.

Perhaps "Level" is a better word than "Type" in this context?

One of the web-pages discussing this in some detail is this one:

http://www.weirdwarp.com/2009/07/alien-civilization-types-from-1-to-7/ .

You may be able to find other web-pages of interest as well from the search criteria.

William
Send message
Joined: 28 Jul 11
Posts: 17
Credit: 169,798
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1156208 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 7:52:08 UTC

So what do you consider a basis in reality or science to mean? When an object is both seen by pilots and recorded on radar moving at extreme speed and maneuvering in ways considered to be impossible even in theory, it is by definition an unidentified flying object. Physical and scientific evidence that something was there has been found in several investigations. Are you saying radar and pilot reports are all being faked? Are you saying that the investigators in project bluebook are incompetent, or the evidence they collected fictional? I am certain a large number of UFO reports are fakes or something quite ordinary in our world that is just not understood by the people seeing it. Scientific progress is made through gathering and analyzing data. To class all UFO reports and associated evidence as fiction is not a scientific approach at all. It is very human, but not very scientific.

OzzFan
Volunteer tester
Avatar
Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 02
Posts: 13704
Credit: 31,717,922
RAC: 12,669
United States
Message 1156246 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 11:59:45 UTC - in response to Message 1156208.

Collecting and analyzing data is about repeatable results in a controlled environment. Every scientist will tell you that eye witness reports are the most fallible of all evidence.

The problem with the scientists at Project Bluebook is that the only information they had to go off of was eye witness reports, making all of their data unsubstantiated, circumstantial, and questionable at best.

William
Send message
Joined: 28 Jul 11
Posts: 17
Credit: 169,798
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1156415 - Posted: 26 Sep 2011, 20:31:16 UTC
Last modified: 26 Sep 2011, 20:53:38 UTC

Repeatable results in a laboratory when possible, absolutely. When not possible then you are stuck analyzing what data you can get. I agree that eye witnesses can be unreliable, but not all of them all the time. The investigators at project bluebook worked with what they had but it was more than just eyewitnesses. Each person must decide which evidence they will accept and which evidence they will not. It is just as unwise to accept everything as it is to exclude everything. If you accept only what can be reproduced under controlled conditions theories like evolution and the big bang theory must be false? Or did they reproduce it and I haven’t heard about it? If you exclude all witnesses as unreliable we may as well stop having history classes in school or prosecuting crimes that were not caught on video. Wait, videos are all fake? I would like to see at least some effort on the part of the scientific community to help UFO hunters obtain more useful data. Most UFO hunters are regular people with cameras. If there has been any effort to help UFO hunters develop equipment that will provide better or more useful data I am not aware of it but I applaud their efforts. My theory is that some of these unidentified objects are alien in origin. I will collect data as I am able and keep trying to prove that theory. If you have a different theory I invite you to do the same.
Between us we can hopefully identify all of them and find out.

Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · Next

Message boards : SETI@home Science : 'What-if' an advanced ET were to notice Earth?...

Copyright © 2014 University of California