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Message 1140423 - Posted: 14 Aug 2011, 15:41:59 UTC
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What does "entitled" mean to you?
Is that what it really means?
To me, I have interpreted it as "I am entitled to this" means "I want this because I deserve it."
And, to me, that is different from simply "I want this."
What are the thoughts of our community?

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Message 1140429 - Posted: 14 Aug 2011, 15:53:42 UTC - in response to Message 1140423.

Two views:

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/entitle
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entitled

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Message 1140503 - Posted: 14 Aug 2011, 19:31:09 UTC

Entitled means 1 of 2 things.

Legally - You are entitled to certain tax allowances.
Morally - You should be entitled to respect from younger people.

The first is enforceable, the second isn't.

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Message 1140523 - Posted: 14 Aug 2011, 20:20:15 UTC
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Do you mean the dictionary definition or the current [ab]use of the word by conservatives in the US to deride anyone receiving a salary or benefit from the government?
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Message 1140539 - Posted: 14 Aug 2011, 21:08:34 UTC - in response to Message 1140523.

or the other conservative definition that they are entitled to lower taxes, large tax breaks, etc.
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Message 1140587 - Posted: 14 Aug 2011, 23:22:03 UTC - in response to Message 1140523.

Do you mean the dictionary definition or the current [ab]use of the word by conservatives in the US to deride anyone receiving a salary or benefit from the government?

I wouldn't put it quite so bluntly, but this is part of the inspiration of the question. It is further inspired by a post of Gary's in the thread about the London riots. I do not follow his use of the word "entitled" there, referring to the younger generation(s), while he does concede, it seems, that the advertising industry has considerable power over young impressionable minds.

Message 1140670 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 2:19:24 UTC

We are Entitled to our Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness, along with The Other Unalienable Rights, and Not have them Reduced, Curtailed or Removed by those recieving Entitlements.

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Message 1140781 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 14:07:57 UTC - in response to Message 1140670.

We are Entitled to our Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness, along with The Other Unalienable Rights, and Not have them Reduced, Curtailed or Removed by those recieving Entitlements.

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Message 1140830 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 17:03:25 UTC

"I before E except after C!"


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Message 1140841 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 18:04:51 UTC

Enough entitlements....

EW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Billionaire investor Warren Buffett, saying he doesn't want to be "coddled" by Congress, says that wealthier Americans should pay higher taxes, and that higher taxes do not dampen job growth.
Buffett, chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway (BRKA, Fortune 500), wrote in an op-ed piece published Monday in The New York Times that taxes should be raised on Americans who make at least $1 million per year.
"While the poor and middle class fight for us in Afghanistan, and while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks," wrote Buffett, who has mentioned in past interviews that the rich should pay higher taxes.
The philanthropist said that his 2010 federal tax bill, including income and payroll taxes, was $6,938,744.
"That sounds like a lot of money," wrote the Omaha, Neb.-based billionaire. "But what I paid was only 17.4% of my taxable income - and that's actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office."
He added that some investment managers were taxed only 15% on billions of dollars in income. He compared that to the middle class, with its income tax bracket of up to 25%.
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Message 1140849 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 18:24:17 UTC

$6,938,744

The amount above is about what 10,000 Middle Class Americans pay in total, in a year. Play with percentages all one wants.

He paid His Fair Share. OVERPAID actually.

W.B should Shut Up.

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Message 1140852 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 18:36:52 UTC - in response to Message 1140849.

Null --

He probably votes, and was simply expressing his opinion.

Based on what you've previously posted -- you really have limited standing to suggest he shut up. <smile>.




W.B should Shut Up.

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Message 1140856 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 19:13:00 UTC

Based on what you've previously posted -- you really have limited standing to suggest he shut up. <smile>.

Ouch.

Still. Mr. AZ, I don't think I would admit to The World, reading anything I have 'previously' said. You can recoup by Not Reading Anything I Post In The Future. <smiling>

Reading An Idiot's(Null-Void-Barnacle guy) Ramblings is injurious to Physical and Mental Health.

Anyways. Back to The Potus.

Is He really on a Bus Tour? Will they have a Throw Someone Under The Bus Contest at Every Stop? That would be fun.

Is The Bus Eco-Friendly? There are many Alternative Energy Powered Buses now.

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Message 1140861 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 19:50:34 UTC - in response to Message 1140849.
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$6,938,744

The amount above is about what 10,000 Middle Class Americans pay in total, in a year. Play with percentages all one wants.

He paid His Fair Share. OVERPAID actually.

W.B should Shut Up.

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Sensible philosophy, Null and void.

When a country starts to quibble over peoples taxation levels and to the
amount one pays over and above another tends to indicate that this country
has finally gone ex-growth. The country goes from one of "What it can make"
for it's population to one of "What it can take" from it's population.
Just check-out the UK in this instance...

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Message 1140874 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 20:49:06 UTC - in response to Message 1140856.

Ah -- well I admit to reading at least some of what you've posted, but if you are not admitting reading what you've posted, I can see the sense of that <giggle>.


Still. Mr. AZ, I don't think I would admit to The World, reading anything I have 'previously' said. You can recoup by Not Reading Anything I Post In The Future. <smiling>



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Message 1140877 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 20:52:15 UTC

Still. Mr. AZ, I don't think I would admit to The World, reading anything I have 'previously' said. You can recoup by Not Reading Anything I Post In The Future.


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Message 1140884 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 21:02:58 UTC - in response to Message 1140841.

"That sounds like a lot of money," wrote the Omaha, Neb.-based billionaire. "But what I paid was only 17.4% of my taxable income - and that's actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office."

Interesting as the AMT tax rate is 28%. He must have some big AMT eligible deductions and there are far fewer things which are deductible under AMT rules.

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Message 1140966 - Posted: 16 Aug 2011, 0:34:53 UTC - in response to Message 1140503.

Entitled means 1 of 2 things.

Legally - You are entitled to certain tax allowances.
Morally - You should be entitled to respect from younger people.

The first is enforceable, the second isn't.


"The way to procure insults is to submit to them: a man meets with no more respect than he exacts.", seems William Hazlitt did not necessarily agree with your second view of entitlement.
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Message 1140990 - Posted: 16 Aug 2011, 1:02:57 UTC - in response to Message 1140884.

"That sounds like a lot of money," wrote the Omaha, Neb.-based billionaire. "But what I paid was only 17.4% of my taxable income - and that's actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office."

Interesting as the AMT tax rate is 28%. He must have some big AMT eligible deductions and there are far fewer things which are deductible under AMT rules.

"Let's drop the talking points." (This applies to Soft, initially, and Gary following up on it.)
Only Pasi Karonen and Bobby have directly addressed my question, and the question has been inspired by some of your posts, Gary.

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Message 1141000 - Posted: 16 Aug 2011, 1:23:21 UTC - in response to Message 1140990.

I do not think I have heard of Warren Buffets positions as being talking points before. Fascinating.

But obviously many feel entitled to subject the masses of working population, and the rapidly vanishing middle class to subsistant wages so that a few may live excessively well.


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