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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
What does "entitled" mean to you? Is that what it really means? To me, I have interpreted it as "I am entitled to this" means "I want this because I deserve it." And, to me, that is different from simply "I want this." What are the thoughts of our community? |
rebest Send message Joined: 16 Apr 00 Posts: 1296 Credit: 45,357,093 RAC: 0 |
Do you mean the dictionary definition or the current [ab]use of the word by conservatives in the US to deride anyone receiving a salary or benefit from the government? Join the PACK! |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
or the other conservative definition that they are entitled to lower taxes, large tax breaks, etc. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Do you mean the dictionary definition or the current [ab]use of the word by conservatives in the US to deride anyone receiving a salary or benefit from the government? I wouldn't put it quite so bluntly, but this is part of the inspiration of the question. It is further inspired by a post of Gary's in the thread about the London riots. I do not follow his use of the word "entitled" there, referring to the younger generation(s), while he does concede, it seems, that the advertising industry has considerable power over young impressionable minds. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
We are Entitled to our Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness, along with The Other Unalienable Rights, and Not have them Reduced, Curtailed or Removed by those recieving Entitlements. I am Null and Void and A Darwin Barnacle. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
We are Entitled to our Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness, along with The Other Unalienable Rights, and Not have them Reduced, Curtailed or Removed by those recieving Entitlements. "I before E except after C!" "You make me unhappy.' "Care to discuss Libya?" :) |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Enough entitlements.... EW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Billionaire investor Warren Buffett, saying he doesn't want to be "coddled" by Congress, says that wealthier Americans should pay higher taxes, and that higher taxes do not dampen job growth. Buffett, chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway (BRKA, Fortune 500), wrote in an op-ed piece published Monday in The New York Times that taxes should be raised on Americans who make at least $1 million per year. "While the poor and middle class fight for us in Afghanistan, and while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks," wrote Buffett, who has mentioned in past interviews that the rich should pay higher taxes. The philanthropist said that his 2010 federal tax bill, including income and payroll taxes, was $6,938,744. "That sounds like a lot of money," wrote the Omaha, Neb.-based billionaire. "But what I paid was only 17.4% of my taxable income - and that's actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office." He added that some investment managers were taxed only 15% on billions of dollars in income. He compared that to the middle class, with its income tax bracket of up to 25%. Janice |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
$6,938,744 The amount above is about what 10,000 Middle Class Americans pay in total, in a year. Play with percentages all one wants. He paid His Fair Share. OVERPAID actually. W.B should Shut Up. I am Null and Void and a Darwin Barnacle. |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
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MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Based on what you've previously posted -- you really have limited standing to suggest he shut up. <smile>. Ouch. Still. Mr. AZ, I don't think I would admit to The World, reading anything I have 'previously' said. You can recoup by Not Reading Anything I Post In The Future. <smiling> Reading An Idiot's(Null-Void-Barnacle guy) Ramblings is injurious to Physical and Mental Health. Anyways. Back to The Potus. Is He really on a Bus Tour? Will they have a Throw Someone Under The Bus Contest at Every Stop? That would be fun. Is The Bus Eco-Friendly? There are many Alternative Energy Powered Buses now. I am Null and Void and a Darwin Barnacle |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
$6,938,744 Sensible philosophy, Null and void. When a country starts to quibble over peoples taxation levels and to the amount one pays over and above another tends to indicate that this country has finally gone ex-growth. The country goes from one of "What it can make" for it's population to one of "What it can take" from it's population. Just check-out the UK in this instance... |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Ah -- well I admit to reading at least some of what you've posted, but if you are not admitting reading what you've posted, I can see the sense of that <giggle>.
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
"That sounds like a lot of money," wrote the Omaha, Neb.-based billionaire. "But what I paid was only 17.4% of my taxable income - and that's actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office." Interesting as the AMT tax rate is 28%. He must have some big AMT eligible deductions and there are far fewer things which are deductible under AMT rules. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Entitled means 1 of 2 things. "The way to procure insults is to submit to them: a man meets with no more respect than he exacts.", seems William Hazlitt did not necessarily agree with your second view of entitlement. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
"That sounds like a lot of money," wrote the Omaha, Neb.-based billionaire. "But what I paid was only 17.4% of my taxable income - and that's actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office." "Let's drop the talking points." (This applies to Soft, initially, and Gary following up on it.) Only Pasi Karonen and Bobby have directly addressed my question, and the question has been inspired by some of your posts, Gary. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
I do not think I have heard of Warren Buffets positions as being talking points before. Fascinating. But obviously many feel entitled to subject the masses of working population, and the rapidly vanishing middle class to subsistant wages so that a few may live excessively well. Janice |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
I do not think I have heard of Warren Buffets positions as being talking points before. Fascinating. Refer to my opening post. What does "entitled" mean to you? Gary stated The root cause of the riots is Madison Avenue. They have done such a fantastic job of creating demand that people who have no chance in life of owning an item now have a burning desire for it and feel entitled to have it. The result is criminality to obtain it to satisfy the false desire. Uh, is that like lying on a loan application to buy a house? As a side-note, I found it interesting, given that when Skildude rails against "The Man" and "Big Business," Gary provides an opposing view, yet here Gary concedes there is at least one instance in which they do have enormous power over young impressionable minds. But, specifically, I disagree with his use of "entitled." They want it. That is different from thinking they deserve it. What evidence is there that they think they deserve it? Digging isnto this could then lead to the discussion about other ways in which entitlement is used, specifically Social Security etc. ... . Just as there is a difference between "want" and "need," there's a difference between "want" and "deserve." Similarly, there is a difference between "submit" and "respect" (despite recent claims to the contrary, IMO). Yes, Buffet's statement is essentially a talking point: "The rich should pay higher taxes and shoulder an equal (or greater) burden." He merely builds on that a bit, by saying, I'm one of those super-rich guys and I do believe I should be carrying more of the burden. So, yes, drop the talking points for a while. It' quite simple. I want to know if you think "feeling entitled" means merely that "you want something," say so. If you think "feeling entitled" means "you want something because you think you deserve it" (my interpretation), say so. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Mr Buffet is perhaps being a bit ingenuous. He is free to send any amount that he wants to the Government. He is advocating an increase on the top income bracket which will hurt many small business entrepeneurs. Mr Buffet has propotionately little Income. He pays little income tax ( in comparison to his Capital Gains Tax) since he has relatively little income. I would like to hear him advocate raising the Capital Gains tax to 35% from it's current level of 15%. Bet he would howl then if this were to come about or be suggested by Obama. I am not in favor of this action since I think Capital Formation should be encouraged and not confiscated by the Government; but it would put Warren Buffet's true motives into perspective. What do you all think. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Mr. Buffet speaks his mind. Despite his wealth, he keeps a sense of fair play. A very rare commodity on wall street. A talking point? I totally disagree. He is speaking his mind, not a partisan agenda. But entitled is just that.. "I think I deserve this". Whether it is a tax break, an unemployment check, maternity leave, a bigger piece of the pie.. So entitlement is a mis-used word, implying selfishness as it is used today. Unless we consider survival an "entitlement". Most of the country is struggling to survive. A few are struggling(with lobbyists and connections at their disposal) to snap up every resource and potential that the masses might find some relief with. But a view you disagree with does not make it a talking point. Janice |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
The Oracle has become a Cartoon Character. A Bobble Head. When he makes A Statement/Opines,of course it is News. The Experts on CNBC give his views a modicum of respect and many times disagree. He should just cut a check for the Extra Millions and send it to The Treasury. And show us a copy if he thinks paying more is what others of his ilk should do. It's well known he supported The Messiah during The Election and seemingly still supports The Dem/Lib views of Giving More of What We Make. No matter how Little is Made. What He Should Do is what Many Other Super Rich Do. Have many many homes all over The World, lots of Boats, Planes, Trains and Automobiles. And Other Rich Stuff. Why? 'Cause The Little Folk are The Ones building and producing These Toys and it keeps Them Working. You know, Jobs. Give The Money to The Treasury and who knows what happens to it. I am Null and Void and a Darwin Barnacle. |
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