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Message 1243454 - Posted: 8 Jun 2012, 19:13:37 UTC - in response to Message 1243414.  

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Message 1243457 - Posted: 8 Jun 2012, 19:18:54 UTC - in response to Message 1243454.  

Sirius -- your taxes at work (and they will continue to be at work as the jails get properly filled up).

The good news, if you send enough folks off to jail, you reduce the number of unemployed...

And no, I'm NOT arguing for leniency here.

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Message 1244317 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 10:51:31 UTC

The good news, if you send enough folks off to jail, you reduce the number of unemployed...

You are correct in your basic premise, but more in jail means more cost to the taxpayer. And once out of jail, ex cons are statistically more likely to re-offend than not. At least that was the case in the past. The sentences that have been handed out were meant as a deterrent to avoid people passing that point of no return in their lives, for the second time as much as for the first

The Guardian has been given detailed reports from all the biggest courts dealing with riot-related offences: Westminster, Camberwell and Highbury, in London - plus Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool and Croydon. We have also collated reported details from another 14 magistrates courts around England.

People facing court charged with riot-related offences are overwhelmingly young, male and unemployed.


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Message 1244325 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 11:33:10 UTC

With most of the rioters being NEETs (Not Employed, or in Education or Training) is there a case for bringing back some form of National Service, I'm not saying this has to be in the Armed forces, but take them away from home, and their often unheathy environment, and train them for work in jobs that benefit society. So that they meet people from othe area's, forge friendships and trust rather than suspicion and animosity.

Or reversing the policy on pensions, I saw this piece in the Telegraph last week, Only one in three pensioners stop work at retirement age, which means that there are ~400,000 people not leaving the work place and leaving spaces for younger people, each year.
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Message 1244338 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 13:10:16 UTC

HI WK,

is there a case for bringing back some form of National Service,


This has been mooted for many years, with some support I might add. The problem is that the last UK National Service or Conscription programme, ended in the early 1960's. Those called up into it came from a generation, where they might not have "liked" the imposed discipline, but had the strength of character, enough Civic and National pride, and a willingness to serve their country, to just get on with it and accept it.

Judging by the sort of people we have seen being sentenced from last summer, society has radically changed in the last 50 years. The average youth today either simply wouldn't accept that discipline, would go AWOL and clutter up the military prisons, or would go in a thug, and come out a professional thug. The original idea to treat antisocial behaviour by "knocking it out of them" might have worked then I really don't think it would now.

What we should consider bringing back is Approved Schools and Borstals. They worked in that they tackled the problem of troublesome young people at an early enough age to stop the decline into more serious offences. Although its opponents said that it tended to "condition" people to that sort of lifestyle. But also you had more responsible parents then who were willing to work with the Agencies to "correct" their kids. The average parent today couldn't give a stuff what their kids get up to.

The NEETS are one of the most pressing National problems that we have in the UK today, and we are still a long way from solving it.





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Message 1244348 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 13:57:25 UTC - in response to Message 1244338.  

I didn't suggest the old form of National Service, in the Armed Forces, for that reason of extra aggressive skills. Thought that jobs like, assistant porters in Hospital, seeing the effects of Sat night excesses and accidents etc. might do them some good.

But it may be that if the Armed Forces are to get the suggest recently announced cuts, the government will probably not be able to rely on the part time units. One article I read suggested there isn't enough of the part time units up to strength or sufficiently trained to fill the emergency roles the government thinks they can fill. National service units might just be required to fulfil those roles, and they could also do the covering for things, like dustmens or fire fighters stikes, enabling the professionals to keep doing the jobs they are paid for.
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Message 1245002 - Posted: 12 Jun 2012, 10:48:40 UTC

Here's some work for those convicted - I'd call it "Poetic Justice"

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Message 1245004 - Posted: 12 Jun 2012, 11:03:16 UTC

Assistant Chief Constable Julian Blazeby said he thought local people would be ‘keen to get involved’ in helping police.


OMG, the best laugh of the week so far. Mind you what else would you expect from a man with a Christian name like that? Snigger.
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Message 1245010 - Posted: 12 Jun 2012, 11:09:13 UTC - in response to Message 1245004.  

& just what is wrong with "Julian"?
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Message 1251079 - Posted: 24 Jun 2012, 23:18:08 UTC

Here we go, say bye-bye to the World Cup & Euro Championships....

The UK will have their own sporting events - nice one Del-boy, you've just guaranteed the Insurance Companies regular annual bonuses....

hitting the young again, while the scumbags at the top escape
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Message 1254492 - Posted: 2 Jul 2012, 10:41:38 UTC
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Let the games commence....

Police expecting repeat of last summer

And this won't help either...

Police to be cut by 5,800
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Message 1254573 - Posted: 2 Jul 2012, 16:40:14 UTC

I sincerely hope we do not see the like again, but I think there were three things that mainly went badly wrong.

1. Nobody expected the scale of what occurred, to ever happen in mainland England, and so were simply just not prepared for it. Well it did happen, and now we know it can and has, the authorities will be quicker off the mark if there is a next time.

2. The Police didn't call for reinforcements until far too late. All police forces now have plans in place to remedy that if it proves necessary.

3. They hadn't fully realised until afterwards that the rioters were using social networking sites to organise what was happening. Well, now that they do know, it is quite likely that at the first hint of any further trouble, court orders to temporarily shut them down will be issued.

We have also seen the sentences handed out to those convicted from last summer, and prosecutions are still going on. That should be a good deterrent. Because of the Olympic games, London security has been tightened to probably its highest level since WWII, witness the armed patrol boats on the Thames and other measures being taken. If it happens again, the police will act first and ask questions afterwards.

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Message 1254966 - Posted: 3 Jul 2012, 9:48:15 UTC - in response to Message 1254573.  

Because of the Olympic games, London security has been tightened to probably its highest level since WWII, witness the armed patrol boats on the Thames and other measures being taken. If it happens again, the police will act first and ask questions afterwards.



..so they'll open fire will they (shades of Kent University)? Since when has our police force become military personnel?

Start down this road & there'll be no turning back!
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Message 1254978 - Posted: 3 Jul 2012, 10:25:31 UTC
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..so they'll open fire will they (shades of Kent University)? Since when has our police force become military personnel?

Ok, perhaps I didn't make myself as clear as I could have done, in which case my fault. My post was intended to mean that firstly, due to the Olympics and the possibility of an opportunity for terrorist action, it has been well publicised in advance, the level of military protection that has been put in place.

Secondly, because London is on high alert anyway, any signs of rioting will be stamped on immediately by the police, and they will be able to call upon military backup as well if necessary, which wasn't so readily available last summer.

There is and was no suggestion that the police would open fire to dispel civil unrest, they are not a paramilitary force, and they should never be. Water cannon can be quite effective though.
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Message 1268145 - Posted: 6 Aug 2012, 0:25:26 UTC - in response to Message 1266682.  

Maybe so, but this guy doesn't think so.....

Riots Victim: "It will happen again"
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Message 1268710 - Posted: 7 Aug 2012, 10:58:23 UTC

I bought a Mail today to see the Olympics coverage pictures, and read Littlejohns article. I offer no comment, see what you think.


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Message 1268975 - Posted: 8 Aug 2012, 9:53:40 UTC

|It's a positive start.

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Message 1269682 - Posted: 9 Aug 2012, 21:09:20 UTC - in response to Message 1268975.  

|It's a positive start.

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It is. As someone who was there I hope it leads to more.
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Message 1270096 - Posted: 10 Aug 2012, 20:52:39 UTC

Agreed Bernie, Lets hope :-)


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