I wonder when this global warming phase will finally end.
Will this then herald in the next ice age. During the last
ice age 30% of the land surface of the world was covered by ice.
This has now receded back to 10%, still a hell of a lot of ice though.
During one of the previous ice ages the ice pack formed nearly as far
as central Africa. It was estimated that this particular ice age nearly
caused man to become extinct by reducing world population down to
around half a million people. This population then remained centered
in Africa hence the term "We all come from the same eleven tribes of
Africa".

Global Warming started some some 10's of thousands of years ago it
was global warming that caused the ice packs to start to recede. The
global warming going on then far exceeds anything that we are
experiencing locally today. These global warming phases, like global
cooling phases don't just take off and continue unabated until they
reach their maxima or minima, as in the case of an ice age. No, they are
punctuated by minor periods of change to that major trend. In the case
of Global Cooling we get punctuated periods of minor global warming.
During Global Warming we get punctuated periods of minor Global Cooling.
At the moment we are still in one of those Major Global Warming periods
aka...we have gone from a 30% ice covered planet to a 10% ice covered planet.
So at the moment we are only experiencing a maintaining of that Global
Warming trend, where ending around the mid 1700's we had a punctuated period
of minor Global Cooling. So since the mid 1700's the major trend of Global
Warming has been able to continue and is most probably now only catching up
with the normal rate of change (roc) for a Global Warming phase when it
switches from Major Cooling to Major Warming.

Scientist do not have all the facts regarding major global trends with respect
to climate change. They know we have warming phases they know we have cooling
phases they got much of this information via core sampling. They know how this
effects the planet over many thousands of years but not how these changes
take shape/effect over the 10's of years that form parts of those thousads of years.

Are humans having an effect upon this current warming phase, well when serious
science takes over we will find out. This unfortunately may not occur until
many years into the future. Until then no one's getting anywhere with
it and most people are now becoming thoroughly bored by it all. The Politicians
have long lost the case as they were going to do once they applied a tax to it.
Applying a tax to it would never solve the issue, if there ever was an issue,
no for if there was an issue it would have been handle in a completely different way.
Come the end of this current century we will have generally started another
minor Global Cooling phase. It may have already started in the UK ? and
Florida will once again rise-up from the waters.

This is apparently due to the glaciers of the last Ice age reaching as far south as Birmingham about 20,000 years ago. With the sheer weight of glacial ice removed, the UK land mass is gradually springing back at about 1mm per year to a new isostatic equilibrium.

This may be happening elsewhere.

I have been to Birmingham for many softball tournaments. University of Alabama has a campus there.

Actually, in the US the ice came down to southern Illinois. It scraped the land nice and flat and made for the richest farmland in the world since the prairie grass would catch fire and rot. This produced perhaps 15 feet of perfect sandy-loam topsoil. 300 bushels of corn per acre is possible in a year with optimal rain. We can feed the whole world from a strip about 200 by 200 miles in Iowa, Illinois and Indiana. it's a shame it's going into gas tanks in the form of Corn-derived ethanol. Cant afford cereal and beef any more. Also get 5% less gas mileage.

Actually, in the US the ice came down to southern Illinois. It scraped the land nice and flat and made for the richest farmland in the world since the prairie grass would catch fire and rot. This produced perhaps 15 feet of perfect sandy-loam topsoil. 300 bushels of corn per acre is possible in a year with optimal rain. We can feed the whole world from a strip about 200 by 200 miles in Iowa, Illinois and Indiana. it's a shame it's going into gas tanks in the form of Corn-derived ethanol. Cant afford cereal and beef any more. Also get 5% less gas mileage.

Hi Will, you can certainly see the wood from the trees...as they say.
Yes, fill the fuel tanks so starve the world.
Never was going to be a practical solution to fuel replacement (corn ethanol)

Actually, in the US the ice came down to southern Illinois. It scraped the land nice and flat and made for the richest farmland in the world since the prairie grass would catch fire and rot. This produced perhaps 15 feet of perfect sandy-loam topsoil. 300 bushels of corn per acre is possible in a year with optimal rain. We can feed the whole world from a strip about 200 by 200 miles in Iowa, Illinois and Indiana. it's a shame it's going into gas tanks in the form of Corn-derived ethanol. Cant afford cereal and beef any more. Also get 5% less gas mileage.

Hi Will, you can certainly see the wood from the trees...as they say.
Yes, fill the fuel tanks so starve the world.
Never was going to be a practical solution to fuel replacement (corn ethanol)

And now that the US is in a severe drought, wouldn't it make sense to end the silly corn ethanol fuel program. It's a waste of money drops fuel economy and uses more energy that it relieves

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Actually, in the US the ice came down to southern Illinois. It scraped the land nice and flat and made for the richest farmland in the world since the prairie grass would catch fire and rot. This produced perhaps 15 feet of perfect sandy-loam topsoil. 300 bushels of corn per acre is possible in a year with optimal rain. We can feed the whole world from a strip about 200 by 200 miles in Iowa, Illinois and Indiana. it's a shame it's going into gas tanks in the form of Corn-derived ethanol. Cant afford cereal and beef any more. Also get 5% less gas mileage.

Hi Will, you can certainly see the wood from the trees...as they say.
Yes, fill the fuel tanks so starve the world.
Never was going to be a practical solution to fuel replacement (corn ethanol)

And now that the US is in a severe drought, wouldn't it make sense to end the silly corn ethanol fuel program. It's a waste of money drops fuel economy and uses more energy that it relieves

That's cos Will thought you meant...."BoymingHAAAAM in stead of Bearmingum...

Plant windmills. You can grow food around them/under them.

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Janice

Plant windmills. You can grow food around them/under them.

Yes, you get all that free dead bird fertilizer ...

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Plant windmills. You can grow food around them/under them.

Yes, you get all that free dead bird fertilizer ...

I know how to fix that issue. Of course the fossil fuels kill far more.

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Janice

Plant windmills. You can grow food around them/under them.

Yes, you get all that free dead bird fertilizer ...

I know how to fix that issue. Of course the fossil fuels kill far more.

Of course? There is no evidence that fossils fules have killed anyone. There are no government health warnings that come with them; "fossil fuels kill" v. "smoking kills". No warnings to use at you own risk when drinking it, cooking with it, washing in it or even cleaning your teeth with it. Stick it in your tank and you won't see a single bird suddenly drop dead out of the sky. Sit in front of a fire and throw lumps of the black stuff on it and I doubt whether granny upstairs would suddenly be at risk.

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Plant windmills. You can grow food around them/under them.

Yes, you get all that free dead bird fertilizer ...

I know how to fix that issue. Of course the fossil fuels kill far more.

Of course? There is no evidence that fossils fules have killed anyone. There are no government health warnings that come with them; "fossil fuels kill" v. "smoking kills". No warnings to use at you own risk when drinking it, cooking with it, washing in it or even cleaning your teeth with it. Stick it in your tank and you won't see a single bird suddenly drop dead out of the sky. Sit in front of a fire and throw lumps of the black stuff on it and I doubt whether granny upstairs would suddenly be at risk.

Other than the obvious millions of birds/fish/animals killed by oil spills, oil distillates are known carcenogens. You might have noticed warning labels on the pumps, perhaps not in your country. Does oil need to spray up and knock a bird out of the sky for this to be true to you? entire flocks of oil soaked birds is not enough?

Please.. This is just silly.

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Janice

Plant windmills. You can grow food around them/under them.

Yes, you get all that free dead bird fertilizer ...

I know how to fix that issue. Of course the fossil fuels kill far more.

Of course? There is no evidence that fossils fules have killed anyone. There are no government health warnings that come with them; "fossil fuels kill" v. "smoking kills". No warnings to use at you own risk when drinking it, cooking with it, washing in it or even cleaning your teeth with it. Stick it in your tank and you won't see a single bird suddenly drop dead out of the sky. Sit in front of a fire and throw lumps of the black stuff on it and I doubt whether granny upstairs would suddenly be at risk.

Control of Substances Hazardous to Health (COSHH)

Diesel Fumes.....Listed as Highly Carcinogenic...
Tobacco Smoke....Listed as Carcinogenic

Certainly safer to smoke tobacco than it it to inhale diesel exhaust fumes

There is no evidence that fossils fules have killed anyone.

Really? None? I guess all the miners that died in coal mines will show up alive and well elsewhere? How many have died in fires at refineries in the past year?

Also, the original comment was a response about windmills killing birds. There is plenty of evidence that oil spills kill wildlife, including sea birds.

There may be a lack of evidence linking deaths to global climate change, there is plenty linking deaths to fossil fuels in general.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

There is no evidence that fossils fules have killed anyone.

Really? None? I guess all the miners that died in coal mines will show up alive and well elsewhere? How many have died in fires at refineries in the past year?

Also, the original comment was a response about windmills killing birds. There is plenty of evidence that oil spills kill wildlife, including sea birds.

There may be a lack of evidence linking deaths to global climate change, there is plenty linking deaths to fossil fuels in general.

It is not the fossil fuels that kill. It is how people use them. In the same way an axe has never killed anyone. People wielding them do.

Don't blame fossil fuels or anything else but man's actions in poisoning this planet and causing death by axe, jelly babies or fossil fuels.

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It is not the fossil fuels that kill. It is how people use them. In the same way an axe has never killed anyone. People wielding them do.

Don't blame fossil fuels or anything else but man's actions in poisoning this planet and causing death by axe, jelly babies or fossil fuels.

You would have to include in your statement how nature uses her fossil fuels too.
She emits all sorts of gasses some harmful, some explosive especially from those fossil burning furnaces called volcanoes. She doesn't care where she pours this stuff, normally on top of people swamping them Pompey comes to mind here. She did put us all here and at times you wonder if she would like us all to leave. Strikes us down with her electricity generator hidden from us up in the sky, bashes us around with her wind generating farm and sometimes even tries to drown us when she turns her taps on. When we are asleep she creeps up on us and tries to bring our houses down on top of us by shaking the ground let alone trying to drown us when we go sailing in one of her big ocean baths. Yes, mans just like his Mother nature both careless in how they use Earths resources.

There is no evidence that fossils fules have killed anyone.

Really? None? I guess all the miners that died in coal mines will show up alive and well elsewhere? How many have died in fires at refineries in the past year?

Also, the original comment was a response about windmills killing birds. There is plenty of evidence that oil spills kill wildlife, including sea birds.

There may be a lack of evidence linking deaths to global climate change, there is plenty linking deaths to fossil fuels in general.

It is not the fossil fuels that kill. It is how people use them. In the same way an axe has never killed anyone. People wielding them do.

Don't blame fossil fuels or anything else but man's actions in poisoning this planet and causing death by axe, jelly babies or fossil fuels.

Ahh, because it's inanimate it can't kill anything? I'll let you handle the uranium if that's alright ;).

Oh, and there are such things as naturally occurring tar pits, many animals have fallen in these over the years and not survived. I don't think "man's actions" can be blamed for these deaths.

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Ice has a point. Oil is pretty safe until you do something stupid. Like take it out of the ground.

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Janice

Plant windmills. You can grow food around them/under them.

Yes, you get all that free dead bird fertilizer ...

I know how to fix that issue.

Some of those blades are getting rather long. Are you sure you know how? Or should you consult an engineer first? But most importantly, will your fix pass the NIMBY test or will it be so visually ugly that none can be built?

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Plant windmills. You can grow food around them/under them.

Yes, you get all that free dead bird fertilizer ...

I know how to fix that issue.

Some of those blades are getting rather long. Are you sure you know how? Or should you consult an engineer first? But most importantly, will your fix pass the NIMBY test or will it be so visually ugly that none can be built?

It would be a far less intrusive design, I would need to construct a scale model to prove it, and then it would take a large amount of time/interest to make it commercially viable for large farms.

And it would bear little similarity to todays commercial windmills.

Hint: Birds like to sit on top of things. They see a big tower, and they try to sit on top.. and WHAP. Bird becomes projectile.

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Janice

Plant windmills. You can grow food around them/under them.

Yes, you get all that free dead bird fertilizer ...

I know how to fix that issue.

Some of those blades are getting rather long. Are you sure you know how? Or should you consult an engineer first? But most importantly, will your fix pass the NIMBY test or will it be so visually ugly that none can be built?

It would be a far less intrusive design, I would need to construct a scale model to prove it, and then it would take a large amount of time/interest to make it commercially viable for large farms.

And it would bear little similarity to todays commercial windmills.

Hint: Birds like to sit on top of things. They see a big tower, and they try to sit on top.. and WHAP. Bird becomes projectile.

It is the blade tips where whap happens, at the center the blade speed is nil. Bird can easily take the impact at the big flat top of the tower.

BTW do you know what has been done to lessen bird strikes into commercial jet engines?

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We all believe what we want to believe and if we search hard enough we can find mountains of statistics and data to back whichever point of view we have adopted. I don't know whether global warming is a man caused change in the enviroment or not. But I do know that instead of trying to stop and reverse it we should be looking at how to deal with it and turn it to our favor. It could be that the increase of water on the surface and resulting water vapor in the air will turn out to be a good thing. Making places that are too cold now to grow crops aeriable might just outweigh the dryness elsewhere. If we are to survive we must adapt and quit trying to put things back the way they were. Because the only way to do that is to cut human population back to pre industrial revolution levels which means cutting back from 7 billion to around 125 million, the population in 1750.

The problem is there are too many people. Plain, ugly and simple.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.