My science experiment - Be part of it!

Anyone want to do a live scientific experiment?

Over the last two months, i have made many scientific claims in messages posted on these message boards. Most people here are very skeptical about the scientific claims i have made. So the best thing is to do a scientific experiment to see if i'm right.

How about this:

I write out all my scientific claims in a nicely formatted message here on the SETI forums. To participate in the experiment, all you will be required to do is to "bookmark" the message or save a copy of the message on your computer. If you save a copy of the message on your computer, then nobody except yourself can interfere with the results of the experiment. You will have a copy of all my scientific claims. And most importantly, the date i posted the message!

Then we wait!! Its a long duration experiment and might take a year or two to get results. We might get some results sooner! So you will need to keep your copy of the message safe, maybe even print the copy on paper and put the printed copy somewhere safe!

Then we see if any, or all of my science predictions come true.

This message is just for discussing the experiment before i post the real message. That allows you guys to make rules and change things before i post my predictions.

Anyone want to take part in the experiment? This should prove for once and for all if i'm a complete liar or if i really have discovered God's book of scientific knowledge. Especially if i predict things about science that i simply could not know! At the very least, its an easy experiment to take part in and it won't cost you anything. And it will be fun to see if i'm right about any of the stuff.

John.

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Ok, good point Chris. I will write it out as a down-loadable document, yes, that would be much easier for people!! MS word, or Adobe PDF.

I won't be writing it out in long format. It will be worded in simple English and the predictions will be short bullet points. This is easier for people to read. No long complex mathematics either, just nice simple scientific predictions. Maybe each bullet point or prediction will have a short explanation underneath!. I reckon i can compress the lot into about 2 or 3 A4 size pages just to keep the document short, sweet, and to the point!

How does that sound?

John.

Ok, i will write it like this example.

Scientific prediction No. 1; Black Holes don't exist.
Theory behind the prediction;
Black holes are a mathematical error that stem from the work of Newton and Einstein. Newton and Einstein were both wrong about their theories of gravitation and there was a very large mathematical error in both their works. This mathematical error still exists today and the error results in astronomers thinking they see the influence of a massive invisible object they call a black hole. When in reality, there is no Black Hole!

Scientific prediction No. 2; xxxxxxx
Theory behind the prediction;
xxxxxxxxx xxxx

Scientific prediction No. 3; xxxxxxx
Theory behind the prediction;
xxxxxxxxx xxxx

How does that look and sound? Yes, i will do it in MS Word 2000/2003 format! The document will be down-loadable from the Paddy's in space website.

John.

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OK that will do fine for starters. But you also will need to reveal what this "Gods book of scientific knowledge" is, that has led you to your proposals/predictions/theories. Best of luck!

As i said before Chris, only when the time is right. God will tell me when the time is right to reveal the book. But its NOT going to be in the document i produce. I have to protect the source of my work until God tells me when its ok to make it public. As i said, i can openly discuss any of the scientific solutions derived from God's book of scientific knowledge, but i can't reveal the book itself until the time is right.

And i also said, the book is not hidden. Anyone from any county in the world can view the book. Its on public display and tens of thousands of people look at the book every day. They just don't know yet what they are looking at.

I can see it only because God opened my eyes to things that other people cannot see. Even though its right in front of them! Chris, i'm quite sure you have most likely seen the book yourself, but you just didn't know what you were looking at! As i said, you will only understand the language when someone teaches you the language.

John.

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Ok, i will write it like this example.

Scientific prediction No. 1; Black Holes don't exist.
Theory behind the prediction;
Black holes are a mathematical error that stem from the work of Newton and Einstein. Newton and Einstein were both wrong about their theories of gravitation and there was a very large mathematical error in both their works. This mathematical error still exists today and the error results in astronomers thinking they see the influence of a massive invisible object they call a black hole. When in reality, there is no Black Hole!

Scientific prediction No. 2; xxxxxxx
Theory behind the prediction;
xxxxxxxxx xxxx

Scientific prediction No. 3; xxxxxxx
Theory behind the prediction;
xxxxxxxxx xxxx

How does that look and sound? Yes, i will do it in MS Word 2000/2003 format! The document will be down-loadable from the Paddy's in space website.

John.

The most widely acceptable formats are:

• simple plain text (".txt" in Microsoft speak);
  
• rich text format (".rtf" in Microsoft speak);
  
• pdf (Adobe have pretty much created a standard with that and at least they do not deliberately break it unlike certain other companies...);
  
• html ("web page document");
  
• odf (Open Document Format, unfortunately too new for old Microsoft systems)
  

Best is to just simply go with plain text.

Also, take an md5sum and sha sum of the text file as a digital signature check against corruption/tampering and publish the sums here and on your website.

No "Nostradamus" type re-interpretable fluffy nonsense please.


Good luck!

Keep searchin',
Martin

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No "Nostradamus" type re-interpretable fluffy nonsense please.

Martin

ok!

You will be able to download a copy. But i will also post all the writing into one of these forum messages here at SETI. As you guys know, you can only edit your message for one hour after you post the message. After that, i won't have any way to change the things i wrote. So there will be a public copy in the message and anyone can have their own personal copy down-loadable copy. There is no way i can cheat this. I'm either right and i have God's scientific book of knowledge, or i'm wrong, and i made the whole thing up!

I really am putting my money where my mouth is!

Another thing, it will take a few days to write it out and check everything is solid. Should be ready by next week maybe!

John.

There is no way i can cheat this. I'm either right and i have God's scientific book of knowledge, or i'm wrong, and i made the whole thing up!

There's always a third possibility: that you don't have as great of an understanding of science and math as you think you do, and you've applied your limited understanding toward interpreting a certain book a certain way, and concluding that you're only able to do this through some Supreme Being.

I think we'll all find that it's most likely you've simply overstated your conclusions and findings all in the name of trying to become a prophet of your own God. And I'm sure we'll find that your conclusions do not stand up to the light of peer review, but you'll find your way out of such criticisms by claiming that critics simply don't understand things the way you do.

There is no way i can cheat this. I'm either right and i have God's scientific book of knowledge, or i'm wrong, and i made the whole thing up!

There's always a third possibility: that you don't have as great of an understanding of science and math as you think you do, and you've applied your limited understanding toward interpreting a certain book a certain way, and concluding that you're only able to do this through some Supreme Being.

I think we'll all find that it's most likely you've simply overstated your conclusions and findings all in the name of trying to become a prophet of your own God. And I'm sure we'll find that your conclusions do not stand up to the light of peer review, but you'll find your way out of such criticisms by claiming that critics simply don't understand things the way you do.

Ozzfan,
I said it before, i'm not a prophet of God. I'm more of a messenger. Ozzfan i'm not even very clever. I almost failed my final exams in school. The only reason i passed my exams in school was because i was promised a job if i passed the exams. So i openly admit that i'm not very clever. But!!!! Ozzfan i do know that i think very differently to other people.

So whatever i think i have, its not because i'm a genius. So yes its possible that in my mind, this could be a self fulfilling prophecy.

The only way we are going to know if i have something is when i finally go public. And as i said before, i don't have a date. Because of my limited intelligence, i'm finding it difficult to learn nuclear physics, chemical engineering and biological medicine all at the same time. This is slowing down the rate at which i can decode God's book of scientific knowledge. its a big book and it will take time.

John.

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I fully understand that you're not trying to take credit for God showing you The Way - yet you want full credit for your findings and work when you publish them, directly contradicting your modesty and claimed role.

Ultimately, the real problem is that because of your lack of education, you're applying your understanding without critical peer review and proclaiming the Ultimate Empirical Knowledge is being "handed" to you via the Supreme Being Himself, but you're merely a vessel (prophet) like any good Christian would claim. You claim to be a scientist and scientifically minded, but you've shown nothing of the sort. You waive off critics as simply not understanding the Word of God as you do, but science isn't based upon faith of interpretations, rather constantly checking our interpretations for accuracy and accepting when we've made mistakes in our conclusions.

I can't wait to see your data and the critical reviews of the conclusions.

Hey! This all could make for a good book to be published...

Let's see what the peer review and opinions come up with...

Keep searchin',
Martin

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See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)

I fully understand that you're not trying to take credit for God showing you The Way - yet you want full credit for your findings and work when you publish them, directly contradicting your modesty and claimed role.

Ultimately, the real problem is that because of your lack of education, you're applying your understanding without critical peer review and proclaiming the Ultimate Empirical Knowledge is being "handed" to you via the Supreme Being Himself, but you're merely a vessel (prophet) like any good Christian would claim. You claim to be a scientist and scientifically minded, but you've shown nothing of the sort. You waive off critics as simply not understanding the Word of God as you do, but science isn't based upon faith of interpretations, rather constantly checking our interpretations for accuracy and accepting when we've made mistakes in our conclusions.

I can't wait to see your data and the critical reviews of the conclusions.

Ozzfan,
Yes, your dam right i want the credit!! After 5 or 6 years working on this, you would want the credit too!

And lets get something straight here. In the "Black holes" thread, i provided a scientific explanation for why they don't exist. Not one single person attempted to counter my argument. No, instead people quoted what they heard other people saying. Offering links to NASA website articles. Thats not science!! Thats quoting someone else's opinion instead of attempting to use science, mathematics and logic yourself to show why i'm wrong.

Hey! This all could make for a good book to be published...

Let's see what the peer review and opinions come up with...

Keep searchin',
Martin

Martin,
This is never going to be peer reviewed!! Just like 99.999% of all information that is available to society, this will go straight out into the public domain, uncensored! Society and people will decide for themselves what they want to believe! No science journal will censor my work. Mainly because i'm blocked from publishing in these journals.

John.

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... I've changed my mind. ... The experiment is over!

I'm backing off this for a while.

Is that a scientifically motivated change?

Or... More Guinness needed?

(And you'd be amazed at how 'unscientific' Nostradamus was with his writings and yet his book of apocrypha still sells... ;-) )


Keep searchin',
Martin

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See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)

And lets get something straight here. In the "Black holes" thread, i provided a scientific explanation for why they don't exist. Not one single person attempted to counter my argument. No, instead people quoted what they heard other people saying. Offering links to NASA website articles. Thats not science!! Thats quoting someone else's opinion instead of attempting to use science, mathematics and logic yourself to show why i'm wrong.

You provided a theory which makes sense to you, not a "scientific explanation".

Pointing to what other people say is essentially citing your sources. Why argue with you when there's a wealth of information out there that you seem to reject because it doesn't fit with your belief in God?

I think most people have already given up arguing with you because the see you for the unscientific person you are based upon your posts and your claims. That would be why you get so few responses feeding your need to argue.

I changed my mind about doing this science experiment. I'm backing off from this for a while to concentrate on my research.

Sorry about that. Experiment cancelled!

John.

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I changed my mind about doing this science experiment. I'm backing off from this for a while to concentrate on my research.

Sorry about that. Experiment cancelled!

John.

PADDY, WHAT ARE YOU RESEARCHING ?