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Message 1320558 - Posted: 27 Dec 2012, 22:22:56 UTC

Hustlin' Hussein aka World Wide Peace Maker(Got That Prize, Right?), aka The Speechifier(Tears Up and Makes US Tear Up Along With It) aka The President Hired to Get 'Er Done.

Drone Hit Man aka Pitiful Potus is Working Hard for his 47 Percent.

Man 'O Live. You Get What You Vote For.

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Message 1320582 - Posted: 28 Dec 2012, 0:00:46 UTC - in response to Message 1316273.

You continue to dissemble about what the "debt ceiling" is.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/boehner-offers-to-take-debt-limit-off-the-table/2012/12/16/8b369b7e-47c6-11e2-b6f0-e851e741d196_story.html

OH! Didn't see THAT coming! Another near knock out blow! Boehner's staggering and about to fall and not get back up!

$20 Trillion debt, here we come!

As I know you well know because I have already explained it to you, the "debt ceiling" has nothing to do with how much debt is incurred by Congress, only whether that debt is paid. From the article you just linked:

With the national debt already bumping up against a $16.4 trillion cap set last year, Congress risks a government default (not a higher debt, only a default on the debt Congress has already incurred!) unless it acts to raise the debt ceiling in the next few months. Some Republicans had argued that party leaders should use the threat of default to demand additional spending cuts from Obama.

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Message 1320707 - Posted: 28 Dec 2012, 8:24:20 UTC - in response to Message 1320558.

Sassy Speculators aka World Wide Price Makers (Got That Pride, Right?), aka The Spectifier (Tearboy Up and Makes US/us in the gas lines ... errr ... milk lines Tear Up Along With Them) aka The Possessed Hired to Get 'Er Down.

Price Hit Men aka Profitus Protem are Working Hard for their 100 Percent.

Man 'O Live. Me oh my! They're coming to take you away. Hee hee! You Get What You Speculate/Pay For.

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Message 1320809 - Posted: 28 Dec 2012, 15:01:33 UTC - in response to Message 1320582.

As I know you well know because I have already explained it to you, the "debt ceiling" has nothing to do with how much debt is incurred by Congress, only whether that debt is paid.

Really? Congress decides how to spend?

Funny. There are a pile of these people called government workers. A lot of them have these things called "Mastercard" in their wallets. Those cards each have a debt ceiling, but that is set by Mastercard not Congress. That debt ceiling is $250,000.00 a day per card. So these government workers get permission from Congress before they use Mastercard? If they need more cash they use this thing called a Purchase Order. So the government worker get permission from Congress before they use Purchase Order?

The "budget" is a suggestion! Union workers decide what gets spent.


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Message 1321696 - Posted: 29 Dec 2012, 22:02:33 UTC
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Message 1321790 - Posted: 29 Dec 2012, 22:58:03 UTC - in response to Message 1320809.
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Your attempt to change the subject is noted, with amusement, Gary. Good try to move the conversation to a different far-right target, to distract from the fact that you lost this one.

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Message 1321797 - Posted: 29 Dec 2012, 23:01:44 UTC - in response to Message 1304896.

Conservative talk was slandered.

One example, please - not vague generalizations and not a laundry list, just one example, and one hyperlink to any "slander" of any "conservative talk."

Message 1321805 - Posted: 29 Dec 2012, 23:11:31 UTC

Battle Of The Brainiacs Going On Here.

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Got Peace? Got Prize?

Get 'er Done.

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Message 1321857 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 0:27:57 UTC - in response to Message 1321790.

Your attempt to change the subject is noted, with amusement, Gary. Good try to move the conversation to a different far-right target, to distract from the fact that you lost this one.

:^D

Have you read an appropriations bill?
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr1105enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr1105enr.pdf
Where does it order anything spent?

It says government employees of department X may spend up to $ as they see fit.

Here is the tricky part. Who audits? What happens if they spend too much? What happens if they don't spend it all?

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Message 1321859 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 0:32:09 UTC - in response to Message 1321797.
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Message 1321860 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 0:32:48 UTC - in response to Message 1321857.

Gary, the departments audit among others as do the GAO. If not all is spent the account is closed at the end of the fiscal year.
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Message 1321879 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 1:09:50 UTC - in response to Message 1321860.

Gary, the departments audit among others as do the GAO. If not all is spent the account is closed at the end of the fiscal year.

http://www.gao.gov/about/index.html wrote:
Our Work is done at the request of congressional committees or subcommittees or is mandated by public laws or committee reports. We also undertake research under the authority of the Comptroller General. We support congressional oversight by

auditing agency operations to determine whether federal funds are being spent efficiently and effectively;
investigating allegations of illegal and improper activities;
reporting on how well government programs and policies are meeting their objectives;
performing policy analyses and outlining options for congressional consideration; and
issuing legal decisions and opinions, such as bid protest rulings and reports on agency rules.

We advise Congress and the heads of executive agencies about ways to make government more efficient, effective, ethical, equitable and responsive.

Our work leads to laws and acts that improve government operations, saving the government and taxpayers billions of dollars.

I don't see anything there about seeing if the correct amounts were spent on the correct things. Just how well stuff is working. It doesn't appear to be doing an audit such as you or I would get if the IRS came calling.

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Message 1321880 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 1:14:01 UTC - in response to Message 1321879.

Gary, quite true but if one values their career path, being a more effective procurement officer is a good move. There is such a thing as being a competent professional.
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Message 1321889 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 1:38:01 UTC - in response to Message 1321880.

Gary, quite true but if one values their career path, being a more effective procurement officer is a good move. There is such a thing as being a competent professional.

Just saying the audit function the GAO provides is not the audit function that Congress should require of the executive branch spending. An oversight by the authors of the Constitution.

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Message 1321901 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 2:18:35 UTC - in response to Message 1321889.

I don't think large corporations are much better than our govt. in terms of internal audits. Just look at HBSC, General Motors, Boeing, BP, Microsoft, HP and the list goes on. People usually do the best they can given their circumstances. Good internal auditing would have saved the companies billions each. This is one of the costs of being human I guess.
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Message 1321944 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 4:36:38 UTC - in response to Message 1321857.

Your attempt to change the subject is noted, with amusement, Gary. Good try to move the conversation to a different far-right target, to distract from the fact that you lost this one.

:^D

Have you read an appropriations bill?
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr1105enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr1105enr.pdf
Where does it order anything spent?

It says government employees of department X may spend up to $ as they see fit.

Here is the tricky part. Who audits? What happens if they spend too much? What happens if they don't spend it all?

I have know idea if this is still true today. But when I was in the Air Force at the end of the fiscal year all sorts of stupid projects would be done to use up that years budget money. Seems that they would loose that amount of money in the next years budget.
So lets punish an organization by being frugal by decreasing the budget they get next year. Maybe in daft but any money saved should be carried over at the same budget for next year. And if somehow you get a full budget in left over money then you just get a 10% adjustment for 1 year.
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Message 1321945 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 4:39:08 UTC - in response to Message 1321944.

Your attempt to change the subject is noted, with amusement, Gary. Good try to move the conversation to a different far-right target, to distract from the fact that you lost this one.

:^D

Have you read an appropriations bill?
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr1105enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr1105enr.pdf
Where does it order anything spent?

It says government employees of department X may spend up to $ as they see fit.

Here is the tricky part. Who audits? What happens if they spend too much? What happens if they don't spend it all?

I have know idea if this is still true today. But when I was in the Air Force at the end of the fiscal year all sorts of stupid projects would be done to use up that years budget money. Seems that they would loose that amount of money in the next years budget.
So lets punish an organization by being frugal by decreasing the budget they get next year. Maybe in daft but any money saved should be carried over at the same budget for next year. And if somehow you get a full budget in left over money then you just get a 10% adjustment for 1 year.

I always thought that was stupid. I remember from my time in the Civil Service departments trying to spend their budget at the end of the year or they'd lose it the next year. Never made sense to me.
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Message 1321946 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 4:43:18 UTC

So Im not daft then? Maybe taxes would not go up every damn year id they did away with that policy.
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Message 1321955 - Posted: 30 Dec 2012, 5:48:44 UTC - in response to Message 1321945.

In my time with "offical budgets" it was trying to spend the allocated +10% so that you could justify an increase next year.

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