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Message 1127904 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 17:03:19 UTC
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Hello S@h community!


Just a poll about what you think..


Should the members of the Lunatics crew join teams?


Inter alia, for example, maybe you think that they support (unintentionally) in the hidden team forum the team members more than all other S@h members?
They should post their knowledge only public?


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Message 1127907 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 17:11:42 UTC - in response to Message 1127904.

Hello S@h community!


Just a poll about what you think..


Should the members of the Lunatics crew join teams?


For example, inter alia, maybe you think that they support (unintentionally) in the hidden team forum the team members more than all other S@h members?
They should post their knowledge only public?


Thanks!


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Uhhh....Sutaru...
Let it go. It's no different than any development discussions that occur on the Lunatics development boards.
Nobody's gonna hold any benefit back from the public when it is ready to be released.

Get over it.
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Message 1127908 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 17:13:02 UTC

Sure, they should be able to do what they want. Maybe some people get more support than others, maybe not. This falls under the (no snark intended) "Life's not fair" category :) The fact that they release these remarkable optimized apps for all of us to use at all is an act of charity...they would be equally justified keeping them to themselves, forming thier own team and trouncing us all :>
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Message 1127912 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 17:17:11 UTC - in response to Message 1127904.

They are not public servants, nor are they public figures. They are private individuals who offer their free time to help the community. They are free to do as they please.

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Message 1127917 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 17:35:39 UTC

The Lunatics crew perform an invaluable service for the betterment of us all and should do as they please.
We may all be on different teams but the goal is the same for all of us its the search thats important and that it continues.
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Message 1127918 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 17:39:10 UTC

I am now and have been since they formed, a member of Team Starfire. I am not a member of the Lunatics team but I am active on their website and help out as I can in testing their new apps. I do not pass on any of the BETA stuff to my team or to anyone else until it goes public.

Some of the stuff they test looks good on the alpha testers machines but when it gets down to the beta testers it is found to have major flaws that the alpha testers hadn't caught. If these apps get out in the wild before these flaws turn up the main SETI crunchers would be after us with pitchforks. This is one of the reasons you have to ask the powers that be over on Lunatics and make a number of helpful posts before you can gain access to the good stuff. They are protecting themselves as well as the community as a whole. The members of their team that don't do Alpha or Beta testing do not get the apps any sooner than those on here.They have a separate team page to play on that is only superficially connected to their test pages. They may discuss what they are doing much like I do here but they don't pass out things that are not ready for the mainstream.
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Message 1127919 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 17:43:33 UTC

The folks at lunatics are friends of us all, and it would be a foolish group that did not welcome them with open arms.

If Lunatics wanted to restrict it, that is entirely up to them.. but I would wonder why?


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Message 1127972 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 19:08:48 UTC

You could send in a mole, or create one yourself ;)
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Message 1127975 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 19:10:50 UTC

Sutaru--you seemed to have developed a grudge against the Lunatics crew and now you're publically going after them in this "poll"....I will agree w/ Sattler here--let it go.
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Message 1127980 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 19:13:59 UTC

I think that would be the best thing to do. I don't see any point in stirring up any unnecessary angst.

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Message 1127986 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 19:44:53 UTC

I was in contact with someone of the Lunatics crew about if he would like to join seti.international .

He said he couldn't, because that might not look good if he would be in a team.

It looks like the S@h members don't care about.

O.K., thanks.


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Message 1127997 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 20:07:37 UTC - in response to Message 1127986.

I was in contact with someone of the Lunatics crew about if he would like to join seti.international .

He said he couldn't, because that might not look good if he would be in a team.

It looks like the S@h members don't care about.

O.K., thanks.


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OK, sure.
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Message 1128000 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 20:09:20 UTC - in response to Message 1127986.

I was in contact with someone of the Lunatics crew about if he would like to join seti.international .

He said he couldn't, because that might not look good if he would be in a team.


Or maybe because of your history with them they don't want to be associated with you.

It looks like the S@h members don't care about.

O.K., thanks.


Nope. Should I care?

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Message 1128005 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 20:19:18 UTC

That, made me bewildered.
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Message 1128006 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 20:19:57 UTC - in response to Message 1127986.
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I was in contact with someone of the Lunatics crew about if he would like to join seti.international .

He said he couldn't, because that might not look good if he would be in a team.

It looks like the S@h members don't care about.

O.K., thanks.

Invariably, if they join one team, then all of the other teams will be unhappy.

Better if they work their magic and share with everyone, if that is their choice.

But only slightly off-topic:

What is it with forums like this that everyone has to have a chip on their shoulder. Why they ascribe malice to every little tiny thing.

After all, the only reason there is ever an outage is to make the crunchers mad, right? Matt and Eric log in remotely on Sunday nights and shut things down just to make everyone mad, right?

Work isn't being split, or the validators are off just because that'll make people angry -- there isn't really a problem with the Astropulse Database, is there?

SETI@Home won't spend money on redundant servers because, after all, they don't like us. Isn't that the reason? Same with bandwidth.

... and the folks who optimize applications do so just to make teams envious.

Come on, people, get some perspective! If necessary, find a hobby.

I did, and I highly recommend it. That's a big part of why my RAC is drifting downward.

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Message 1128008 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 20:21:02 UTC

Let me just clear the air here a little bit.

If anybody is not aware, Jason Gee (Lunatics topkick) recently joined the GPU Users Group team.
He did so not so much to play any favorites, but our team is comprised of the hardest crunching bunch of GPU crunchers on one team on the planet.

He needed more help with troubleshooting some hard to identify and squish bugs, especially with the new 560ti cards. We have some aboard, and can relay information to him, try new settings, apps, and driver combinations that he was having trouble finding on the Lunatics boards alone.

It also allows him to quickly communicate with a group dedicated to GPU crunching on our Seti team forum board. Which of course, is only accessible by team members. This is what Sutaru alluded to by keeping things 'secret'.

Let me assure you all of this....and I am sure at some point Jason may respond to this thread with some statement of his own.....

There will be no favoritism or 'special team only apps' or anything else under the board going on, any different from the home Lunatics site.
IF any of us are ever given anything other than publicly available apps to run, it would be as alpha/beta test, nothing other than that.

And whatever comes out of it will benefit every GPU cruncher on the project.
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Message 1128016 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 20:28:35 UTC - in response to Message 1128000.
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I was in contact with someone of the Lunatics crew about if he would like to join seti.international .

He said he couldn't, because that might not look good if he would be in a team.

Or maybe because of your history with them they don't want to be associated with you.


I don't know what you mean.

Only one member of the Lunatics crew deleted my Lunatics forum account - because of for me not comprehensible reasons (but this is an other topic).

With the other (a few) members I have still contact.


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Message 1128017 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 20:29:07 UTC - in response to Message 1128008.


If anybody is not aware, Jason Gee (Lunatics topkick) recently joined the GPU Users Group team.

Which he should be able to do, or not do, as he sees fit, without having it become a source of contention for anyone.

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Message 1128018 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 20:30:41 UTC

Sounds good to me Mark.

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Message 1128023 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 20:45:08 UTC - in response to Message 1128008.

Let me just clear the air here a little bit.

If anybody is not aware, Jason Gee (Lunatics topkick) recently joined the GPU Users Group team.
He did so not so much to play any favorites, but our team is comprised of the hardest crunching bunch of GPU crunchers on one team on the planet.

He needed more help with troubleshooting some hard to identify and squish bugs, especially with the new 560ti cards. We have some aboard, and can relay information to him, try new settings, apps, and driver combinations that he was having trouble finding on the Lunatics boards alone.

It also allows him to quickly communicate with a group dedicated to GPU crunching on our Seti team forum board. Which of course, is only accessible by team members. This is what Sutaru alluded to by keeping things 'secret'.

Let me assure you all of this....and I am sure at some point Jason may respond to this thread with some statement of his own.....

There will be no favoritism or 'special team only apps' or anything else under the board going on, any different from the home Lunatics site.
IF any of us are ever given anything other than publicly available apps to run, it would be as alpha/beta test, nothing other than that.

And whatever comes out of it will benefit every GPU cruncher on the project.


I wasn't aware, because of Jason and your team.

I asked because of someone other of the Lunatics crew and his upper mentioned response.


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