GTX 560ti Users: Information Needed

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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34127 Credit: 342,764,206 RAC: 537,097	Message 1129046 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 2:20:46 UTC - in response to Message 1129042.
	what do you guys recomend for a power supply for me. i dont care about flashy looks or led lit fans. i just need something with good 12v amps. i only run 1 10,000 rpm sata2 hdd, 2 dvd drives, a dual core e5200, 4 gigs of pc-2 1066, a 560ti gc, pci wireless g, and then the standard keyboardmouse speakers bla bla. i have a like 4 fans total, but they are 120mm big slow units from thermal take and only 1/3 amp each. i do have about 20 led's in the case running off the 3.3v rail, but all total they probbaly take 1/4 amp of power. my current power supply has 23 amps of 12v , i think i need something with about 40 amps. Stick with something with a single 12v rail, and overkill it. Folks seem to be having some problems with the 560ti's and there has been a lot of finger pointing at possible power supply problems. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Keith Myers Send message Joined: 29 Apr 01 Posts: 164 Credit: 43,301,007 RAC: 93,466	Message 1129048 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 2:23:42 UTC
	The specs for the NV 560Ti require a +12V rail that can supply a minimum of 30A. You are woefully undersized with your current PS to handle the video card and the rest of your peripherals. I'd go with a good 650W PS like a Corsair or PC Power and Cooling. Keith ____________
	ID: 1129048 ·

msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34127 Credit: 342,764,206 RAC: 537,097	Message 1129050 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 2:30:12 UTC
	Here... PC Power and Cooling...750w...$109.00 before rebate...free shipping...7 year warranty...62.4 amp single 12v rail. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
	ID: 1129050 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4039 Credit: 60,188,073 RAC: 59,314	Message 1129053 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 2:32:19 UTC - in response to Message 1129050.
	Here... PC Power and Cooling...750w...$109.00 before rebate...free shipping...7 year warranty...62.4 amp single 12v rail. One size up if they have one... 2x 560ti's will pretty much eat up that whole 62.5A at peak. ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34127 Credit: 342,764,206 RAC: 537,097	Message 1129056 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 2:37:02 UTC
	950w version... $149.00...83.4 amp single 12v rail. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
	ID: 1129056 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4039 Credit: 60,188,073 RAC: 59,314	Message 1129060 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 2:45:59 UTC - in response to Message 1129056.
	950w version... $149.00...83.4 amp single 12v rail. Plenty for 2. Have they got another bigger one for maximum overkill & upgrade headroom ? ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
	ID: 1129060 ·

msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34127 Credit: 342,764,206 RAC: 537,097	Message 1129061 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 2:52:08 UTC - in response to Message 1129060.
	950w version... $149.00...83.4 amp single 12v rail. Plenty for 2. Have they got another bigger one for maximum overkill & upgrade headroom ? Yeah, but then they go to 1200w for $400.00+.... Might be other good candidates at that power range. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
	ID: 1129061 ·

CryptokiD Send message Joined: 2 Dec 00 Posts: 134 Credit: 2,814,936 RAC: 0	Message 1129063 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 3:25:46 UTC
	wow my cars alternator only puts out 60amps max. i really need a 62amp power supply? could i hook up 2 power supplys together? i have a few 400W units laying around from gutted computers. i googles that but i only got results about using 1 power supply with 2 computers, and a y harness for that. i didnt get any results about using 2 power supplies for 1 pc. anyone know? i wonder if the voltage regulation of multiple power supplies would fight each other. thanks for the suggestions thus far.
	ID: 1129063 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4039 Credit: 60,188,073 RAC: 59,314	Message 1129065 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 3:34:03 UTC - in response to Message 1129063. Last modified: 18 Jul 2011, 3:42:02 UTC
	i really need a 62amp power supply? [Edit: Scratch this, I was thinking 2x560tis from another thread, the 62 Amp one would be a good choice if running 1x 560ti only... ] The 62 Amp one wouldn't be enough for all the hardware [was thinking 2x560tis...] listed operating peak safely for an extended period of say 2 or 3 years IMO. It might work well for a while, but over the life of a supply you can expect its efficiency & output capability to derate ~20-30% or so, so the 950 Watt would be a better choice if running two of those cards (plus all the other stuff). Hooking up multiple supplies is possible, but there are things to worry about like compatible grounding schemes & turn-on triggering etc. I wouldn't do it myself with several 'average' PSUs. The 560ti's appear to be churning out work at about 2/3rds+ of an OC'd GTX480 each, at much lower power & temperatures, so you're dealing with fairly monstrous crunching capability there. For comparison, we pretty much established that a system with 2x480's in it really needs a good 1200Watt supply. Jason ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
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CryptokiD Send message Joined: 2 Dec 00 Posts: 134 Credit: 2,814,936 RAC: 0	Message 1129078 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 4:51:31 UTC
	yeah the 560ti when it is working, can crank out a work unit in a minute 30 seconds to 2 minutes flat, running 3 work units at once. and while underclocked and undervolted. i think those are shorty units though. the thing is its so unstable right now, and the lack of work units available to download, ive only crunched a dozen or so in the last 2 weeks on my 560ti rig. when i get the power issues sorted out and start bios modding, overvolting, overclocking and supercooling i bet i can drop the times by 25-35%. thats what i got after modding the 550ti in the guest bedroom. 30% faster work units times by modding it. im hoping for the same increase with this 560ti. then add the 3 and a half ghz 4mb L2 c2d thats in that rig and its not a bad cruncher for using bargain basement low end parts. im never going to have the crunching power of someone like msattler, but i do what i can with what i got. im going to try running the card off one power supply, and the rest of the system off another. ill report back how it went. i like msattlers idea of a single large 12v rail, but money is tight these days. if i can get 2 ps's to work instead of buying a 3rd, ill do it. if this fails then ill get the 3rd one and make it a monster. to take into account future upgrades. sorry to jack you thread slavac.
	ID: 1129078 ·

BMH Send message Joined: 27 May 99 Posts: 258 Credit: 60,111,136 RAC: 59,540	Message 1129159 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 12:37:20 UTC
	I have a Xenta 800W 80plus PSU powering two 560Ti's in a Core i5 rig (only 1 hard drive and 1 optical drive and 3 fans). No problems. I wasn't sure about the brand but it's coping well - I normally go for a brand I recognise (Antec/Corstair for example) and certainly something that's 80plus rated, but this was a good price. I've used two PSUs to power multiple GPUs in the past. I made a 20pin 2-way motherboard lead so both PSUs switch on and off together. But again, you still need PSUs you can trust and that provide enough Amps on the 12v rail(s). ____________ Brian.
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Dave Barstow Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 76 Credit: 13,937,262 RAC: 11,541	Message 1129375 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 19:08:49 UTC
	Welllll.... Beta testing goes on... I just ran into the "sticky downclock" gremlin, again. I have been running BOINC 6.12.33 x86 64 for a while and my combined RAC (S@H + GPUGRID) has leveled-out(?) at slightly over 23,000 using nVidia driver 275.33 with my Palit GTX-560Ti Sonic downclocked to 850Mhz. I switched to the 275.50 driver around an hour ago and 'boink'... downclock! I have now re-started with AP work disabled. When a 'stable' version of AP For CUDA is included in the 64-bit Unified Installer I'll have another go at crunching AP work-units. Side-Note: Before installing the 275.50 driver I attempted to install the 266.58 driver and it failed the install saying it was not compatible with my graphics card... ____________
	ID: 1129375 ·

jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4039 Credit: 60,188,073 RAC: 59,314	Message 1129388 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 19:24:18 UTC - in response to Message 1129375. Last modified: 18 Jul 2011, 19:40:30 UTC
	Welllll.... Beta testing goes on... I just ran into the "sticky downclock" gremlin, again. I have been running BOINC 6.12.33 x86 64 for a while and my combined RAC (S@H + GPUGRID) has leveled-out(?) at slightly over 23,000 using nVidia driver 275.33 with my Palit GTX-560Ti Sonic downclocked to 850Mhz. I switched to the 275.50 driver around an hour ago and 'boink'... downclock! I have now re-started with AP work disabled. When a 'stable' version of AP For CUDA is included in the 64-bit Unified Installer I'll have another go at crunching AP work-units. Side-Note: Before installing the 275.50 driver I attempted to install the 266.58 driver and it failed the install saying it was not compatible with my graphics card... Note that, as far as I'm aware, no other Boinc enabled project has updated their applications to include the necessary fixes to the boincAPi component for threadsafe gpu app behaviour yet...(as do x38g release & x39e test builds). So if you run other projects (such as GPUGrid) your option is to stick with with whatever Cuda 3.2 (pre-270.xx, which are Cuda 4.0 drivers) you can get for your card, until their applications are updated [to add boincAPI fixes]. Cuda 4.0 drivers do not tolerate having the feeding applications terminated underneath executing kernels (as boincAPI does during a snooze or error exit) since newer device driver models make heavy use of threaded & asynchronous operation in various ways. [Edit:] LoL, It's like this: Patient says, "Doctor, It hurts when I do this!..." Doctor says, "Well, stop doing that." Jason ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
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arkayn Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 3085 Credit: 40,137,662 RAC: 64,831	Message 1129502 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 22:58:20 UTC - in response to Message 1128679.
	... the HD5830 just up and died on me today. Any clues on what happened there ? Other than the fan is not spinning on it at all, so might be fan controller. I had to stick my old 4830 in there for the time being and that required booting without any card in first and removing the AMD drivers before it would work. Have you tried plugging a different PCIe power cable in? (Some Months ago my HD5770 kept going Awol, until i swapped power cables) (That PCIe power cable is tucked to one side now, and i haven't tried re-using it yet) Claggy Both of the cables that were plugged into the 5830 work fine with the 4830, right now I am seeing if I can get a RMA on the card as it is still in the warranty period. I still plan on getting something new tomorrow so I can get back to better production. ____________
	ID: 1129502 ·

Dave Barstow Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 76 Credit: 13,937,262 RAC: 11,541	Message 1129515 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 23:35:34 UTC - in response to Message 1129388.
	Thanks Jason for the cogent explanation. BUT... I can't install ANY of the pre-27n.nn drivers. They ALL give me a Your Card Does Not Support This Driver message! Oh well... just wait for better days. ;-/ ____________
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Claggy Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 3363 Credit: 25,949,305 RAC: 1,296	Message 1129518 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 23:44:51 UTC - in response to Message 1129515.
	Thanks Jason for the cogent explanation. BUT... I can't install ANY of the pre-27n.nn drivers. They ALL give me a Your Card Does Not Support This Driver message! Oh well... just wait for better days. ;-/ What Driver numbers were you trying? 266.66 and 267.26 should work, Claggy
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jason_gee Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 4039 Credit: 60,188,073 RAC: 59,314	Message 1129519 - Posted: 18 Jul 2011, 23:45:28 UTC - in response to Message 1129515.
	Thanks Jason for the cogent explanation. BUT... I can't install ANY of the pre-27n.nn drivers. They ALL give me a Your Card Does Not Support This Driver message! Oh well... just wait for better days. ;-/ Yeah that early I believe there are 560ti specific ones: 266.66 WHQL & 267.26 Beta. I can't vouch for their quality, though they should install & hopefully let you run the other projects if you need. They don't show up on other card lists, so you need the advanced driver search I believe. http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us If neither of those versions I mentioned does the trick, then I'm stumped on that one, Jason ____________ "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change." Charles Darwin
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dan Send message Joined: 18 Oct 02 Posts: 392 Credit: 13,452,541 RAC: 15,121	Message 1129531 - Posted: 19 Jul 2011, 0:37:30 UTC - in response to Message 1129519.
	The 266.66 drivers should be the ones you are looking for in the pre-27x.xx era. Dan ____________
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Dave Barstow Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 76 Credit: 13,937,262 RAC: 11,541	Message 1129714 - Posted: 19 Jul 2011, 14:34:11 UTC - in response to Message 1129519.
	I am downloading the 267.26 beta driver now... If all goes well with S@H running alone I MAY try attaching to GPUGRID again in a few days. We shall see... Thanks for the help! ____________
	ID: 1129714 ·

Dave Barstow Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 76 Credit: 13,937,262 RAC: 11,541	Message 1129808 - Posted: 19 Jul 2011, 21:27:22 UTC - in response to Message 1129714.
	I am downloading the 267.26 beta driver now... If all goes well with S@H running alone I MAY try attaching to GPUGRID again in a few days. We shall see... Thanks for the help! New (old) 267.26 driver is running, and following a re-set of the clock down to 850 from the default of 900 things seem to be AOK. PHEW... I kinda jumped-the-gun and have GPUGRID running and am waiting for some AP work. Time will tell... ____________
	ID: 1129808 ·

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