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Message 1127325 - Posted: 13 Jul 2011, 20:02:52 UTC

I agree with Skil and Mark.

Thank you Blurf for getting more information out of the Aqua Admin. What he said is pretty much what I've said in the past, almost verbatim.
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Message 1127326 - Posted: 13 Jul 2011, 20:09:29 UTC - in response to Message 1127325.  

I agree with Skil and Mark.

Thank you Blurf for getting more information out of the Aqua Admin. What he said is pretty much what I've said in the past, almost verbatim.


No problem Ozz..please drop me a PM when you can. Need to ask ya something privately.


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Message 1127344 - Posted: 13 Jul 2011, 21:15:40 UTC - in response to Message 1127326.  

Soooo all this Aqua rage + BOINC death knell is nothing more than coding quirks


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Message 1127362 - Posted: 13 Jul 2011, 21:47:03 UTC - in response to Message 1127344.  

Soooo all this Aqua rage + BOINC death knell is nothing more than coding quirks


Sounds like it to me....


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Message 1127377 - Posted: 13 Jul 2011, 22:12:38 UTC

Everything is dying. The moment we were born we are destined to die as is every planet and universe and every alien being trying listen out for each other.

But not the BOINC credit. You can't spend it, exchange it or give it away. It will outlast climate change, all manned missions to Mars and the final breath of the final human being.

Get them while you can before Dr Anderson decides he's heard enough bickering and stops giving them out. Then won't you just die if you can't have any more?


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Message 1127392 - Posted: 13 Jul 2011, 22:47:51 UTC - in response to Message 1127377.  

But not the BOINC credit. You can't spend it, exchange it or give it away.

Why not? I've heard rumors that BOINC credit has been sold. No real reason it can't be monetized. Just like loot in games is traded.

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Message 1127482 - Posted: 14 Jul 2011, 8:03:13 UTC - in response to Message 1127392.  
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But not the BOINC credit. You can't spend it, exchange it or give it away.

Why not? I've heard rumors that BOINC credit has been sold. No real reason it can't be monetized. Just like loot in games is traded.

Yes. Of course anything may be theoretically possible. But isn't this the whole point of what Sirius B is saying in this thread? Mess with the credits and the consequenses could be tragic for BOINC?

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Message 1127530 - Posted: 14 Jul 2011, 14:06:31 UTC - in response to Message 1127392.  

But not the BOINC credit. You can't spend it, exchange it or give it away.

Why not? I've heard rumors that BOINC credit has been sold. No real reason it can't be monetized. Just like loot in games is traded.

I need to have a discussion with my electric utility about this..........
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Message 1127615 - Posted: 14 Jul 2011, 17:46:20 UTC - in response to Message 1127530.  

But not the BOINC credit. You can't spend it, exchange it or give it away.

Why not? I've heard rumors that BOINC credit has been sold. No real reason it can't be monetized. Just like loot in games is traded.

I need to have a discussion with my electric utility about this..........

I need to go buy a London Marathon medal. Why go through all that training and pain when some cash can prove that I earned the medal?


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Message 1127640 - Posted: 14 Jul 2011, 19:05:02 UTC - in response to Message 1127615.  

But not the BOINC credit. You can't spend it, exchange it or give it away.

Why not? I've heard rumors that BOINC credit has been sold. No real reason it can't be monetized. Just like loot in games is traded.

I need to have a discussion with my electric utility about this..........

I need to go buy a London Marathon medal. Why go through all that training and pain when some cash can prove that I earned the medal?

Technically, Marks credits were for sale to the highest bidding team. So in reality they are worth money to a team. though the money is donated to Seti.


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Message 1127757 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 5:54:33 UTC - in response to Message 1127640.  

But not the BOINC credit. You can't spend it, exchange it or give it away.

Why not? I've heard rumors that BOINC credit has been sold. No real reason it can't be monetized. Just like loot in games is traded.

I need to have a discussion with my electric utility about this..........

I need to go buy a London Marathon medal. Why go through all that training and pain when some cash can prove that I earned the medal?

Technically, Marks credits were for sale to the highest bidding team. So in reality they are worth money to a team. though the money is donated to Seti.

It was really my future production of credits, which, although I maintain possession of same, count towards the team totals.
So, I did not really 'sell' my credits. It was my team affiliation that was actually on the block.
My Seti creds are still mine, but the kitties share with my teammates.
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Message 1127783 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 8:33:40 UTC - in response to Message 1127757.  
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It was really my future production of credits, which, although I maintain possession of same, count towards the team totals.
So, I did not really 'sell' my credits. It was my team affiliation that was actually on the block.
My Seti creds are still mine, but the kitties share with my teammates.

It is commendable to donate $cash$ to any projects carrying out useful research. In this case joining another team to persuade them to donate $$$ to SETI is fine, I would commend the donation.

In a case where credit is transferred from one individual to another - that is a different matter. If the credits awarded to an individual are other than by earning them (by crunching), or by some project dishing out credits that do not match those awarded in other BOINC projects, then the credits displayed by those individuals and teams risk being rubbished and risk being meaningless.

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Message 1127784 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 8:36:50 UTC - in response to Message 1127783.  
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It was really my future production of credits, which, although I maintain possession of same, count towards the team totals.
So, I did not really 'sell' my credits. It was my team affiliation that was actually on the block.
My Seti creds are still mine, but the kitties share with my teammates.

It is commendable to donate $cash$ to any projects carrying out useful research. In this case joining another team to persuade them to donate $$$ to SETI is fine, I would commend the donation.

In a case where credit is transferred from one individual to another - that is a different matter. If the credits awarded to an individual are other than by earning them (by crunching), or by some project dishing out credits that do not match those awarded in other BOINC projects, then the credits displayed by those individuals and teams risk being rubbished and risk being meaningless rubbish.

I know of no means whereby accumulated credits could be transferred from one account to another.
If you do, please speak up, and I assure you it shall be looked into.
The matter of some projects dishing out credits that do not remotely match those awarded by Seti is already well known.
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Message 1127787 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 8:49:43 UTC - in response to Message 1127784.  
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I know of no means whereby accumulated credits could be transferred from one account to another.
If you do, please speak up, and I assure you it shall be looked into.
The matter of some projects dishing out credits that do not remotely match those awarded by Seti is already well known.

I am replying to suggestions that credit should be able to be transferred from one individual to another for cash and the cash being donated to SETI. My plain reply is that I do not agree that such a proposal should happen.

The matter of credits awarded by other projects (yes we know it is well known) and perhaps adversly affecting BOINC is the subject of the debate of this thread.

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Message 1127789 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 8:52:22 UTC - in response to Message 1127787.  

I know of no means whereby accumulated credits could be transferred from one account to another.
If you do, please speak up, and I assure you it shall be looked into.
The matter of some projects dishing out credits that do not remotely match those awarded by Seti is already well known.

I am replying to suggestions that credit should be able to be transferred from one individual to another for cash and the cash being donated to SETI. My plain reply is that I do not agree that such a proposal should happen.

The matter of credits awarded by other projects and adversly (yes we know it is well known) and perhaps adversly affecting BOINC is the subject of the debate of this thread.
Maybe I missed it.......
Where do you see that somebody suggested that buying and selling of credits was a good thing.......even IF the proceeds were donated to Seti?
Other than a few tongue in cheek posts like my own wishing that I could work out something with the electric utility.
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Message 1127837 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 13:16:24 UTC - in response to Message 1127789.  
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Maybe I missed it.......
Where do you see that somebody suggested that buying and selling of credits was a good thing.......even IF the proceeds were donated to Seti?

Just a couple of places, nothing to worry about

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64792&nowrap=true#1127392

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64792&nowrap=true#1127268

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Message 1127877 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 15:28:23 UTC

AFIK people are selling credits now. All they need do is crunch for a while and offer the account for sale. After the cash arrives, send the password and create a new BOINC account and do it all over. The buyer who now has control over the account just gets it merged with his account and the deal is done.

Perhaps better is acknowledging the truth as it exists and setting up a credit trading board where BOINC and the projects get a cut when the sales happen.

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Message 1127879 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 15:34:58 UTC - in response to Message 1127877.  

AFIK people are selling credits now. All they need do is crunch for a while and offer the account for sale. After the cash arrives, send the password and create a new BOINC account and do it all over. The buyer who now has control over the account just gets it merged with his account and the deal is done.

Perhaps better is acknowledging the truth as it exists and setting up a credit trading board where BOINC and the projects get a cut when the sales happen.

you can't merge accounts. They made sure of this because as I recall there were a few bad eggs in the old seti that were somehow merging their accounts.


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Message 1127902 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 16:37:09 UTC - in response to Message 1127879.  

AFIK people are selling credits now. All they need do is crunch for a while and offer the account for sale. After the cash arrives, send the password and create a new BOINC account and do it all over. The buyer who now has control over the account just gets it merged with his account and the deal is done.

Perhaps better is acknowledging the truth as it exists and setting up a credit trading board where BOINC and the projects get a cut when the sales happen.

you can't merge accounts. They made sure of this because as I recall there were a few bad eggs in the old seti that were somehow merging their accounts.

A user can't but an admin can. Attach some tears to the e-mail and ...

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Message 1127903 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 16:44:37 UTC - in response to Message 1127902.  
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AFIK people are selling credits now. All they need do is crunch for a while and offer the account for sale. After the cash arrives, send the password and create a new BOINC account and do it all over. The buyer who now has control over the account just gets it merged with his account and the deal is done.

Perhaps better is acknowledging the truth as it exists and setting up a credit trading board where BOINC and the projects get a cut when the sales happen.

you can't merge accounts. They made sure of this because as I recall there were a few bad eggs in the old seti that were somehow merging their accounts.

A user can't but an admin can. Attach some tears to the e-mail and ...

I am sure the admins can sniff out alligator tears.
And it would be a rare occasion I am sure that they would agree to merge accounts. Maybe they would make an exception in my case....I'd really like to merge my old NEZ account with this one. LOL.

So, this talk of buying and selling Seti accounts is rubbish, other than perhaps a very isolated case.
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