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Message 1127936 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 18:20:16 UTC - in response to Message 1127935.  

Uh-oh, AP-assimilater 5&6 are down. I hope that's not a bad sign.

I am guessing their work is done, that's all.

Waiting for the next status update.
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Message 1128031 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 21:01:22 UTC - in response to Message 1127937.  

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=3598421&offset=20&show_names=0&state=0&appid=5
Many completely finished butawaiting validation still


Number waiting for validation is down from 85000 to 43000.
I´ve got 108 granted already and my RAC is rising again.



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Message 1128036 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 21:13:05 UTC

Good job there Synergy! The only AP tasks I have pending now are waiting for quorum.
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Message 1128068 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 22:34:17 UTC - in response to Message 1125334.  

All my AP work is going into the pending pile. Although many have the wingman reported also they still are waiting for the validator.
For example..........770825421

What gives??


It give..

559.42 Cr.

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Message 1128078 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 23:08:54 UTC

Only about 9,000 APs left to validate.
Then we'll have to see if the incoming can be handled and the assimilators can catch up.
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Message 1128080 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 23:19:43 UTC

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Message 1128081 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 23:22:12 UTC

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Message 1128084 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 23:26:36 UTC
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And in a few hours Raistmer release his new nVIDIA OpenCL AP app? ;-D


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Message 1128090 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 23:34:26 UTC - in response to Message 1128084.  

It may be a bit more than a few hours. Now that we have results he still has to go through everything to see how they are doing and if any problems pop up he has to find out why.

Oh, by the way, anyone wanna race? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=781816720 (we are still trying to figure out why I was faster on this one though.)


And in a few hours Raistmer release his new nVIDIA OpenCL AP app? ;-D


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Message 1128095 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 23:43:46 UTC

We now officially have 0 AP WUs awaiting validation!!!!
Can we say yay?

60,268 waiting for assimilation....let's see how that goes.
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Message 1128096 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 23:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 1128093.  

Yeah Sten, I was looking at the wrong numbers. The same thing was pointed out to me on the Lunatics forum. I was looking at the CPU time instead of the run time. Why he took so much more CPU time than I did is something else that has to be looked at.


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Message 1128097 - Posted: 15 Jul 2011, 23:56:19 UTC - in response to Message 1128090.  
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It may be a bit more than a few hours. Now that we have results he still has to go through everything to see how they are doing and if any problems pop up he has to find out why.

Oh, by the way, anyone wanna race? http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=781816720 (we are still trying to figure out why I was faster on this one though.)


And in a few hours Raistmer release his new nVIDIA OpenCL AP app? ;-D





Why faster?

Your GTS450 use more wall clock time, less CPU time - than Morten's HD5800 series GPU.
Maybe, the nVIDIA app use less CPU time than the ATI app (AP OpenCL).

You don't know how much WUs simultaneously he had on his GPU.
No entry in the <stderr_txt>.

After looking to a few others, it looks like he let run 2 AP WUs simultaneously on his GPUs.

So his WU ran much faster.


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Message 1128104 - Posted: 16 Jul 2011, 0:05:26 UTC - in response to Message 1128098.  

He's got 4 GPUs set to do 2 work units at a time each could have something to do with it. No telling what he had to mess with to get that rig running right.


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Message 1128114 - Posted: 16 Jul 2011, 0:30:54 UTC - in response to Message 1127353.  


The link you have there only works for you btw.

However I looked at your machines and most of your AP tasks are in the state of "Completed, waiting for validation". Which mean they have NOT been validated. While they have a 2nd results turned in they will have to be checked by the server to see if they match. With the validators running slow it is just a matter of having to wait.


Sorry about the link.....

That is correct, both myself and the wingman are waiting Pending Valadation state.

It is just that I have been waiting on some of these since the end of June and have not had credit for any AP since then. I will continue to wait, hoping the deadline does not pass and cause some additional strange behavior.

Thanks.


Should not be a problem since you reported in time.



Well every AP WU that had been completed by 2 people have now validated. That should cause a real spike in my stats tomorrow.

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Message 1128174 - Posted: 16 Jul 2011, 4:01:12 UTC - in response to Message 1128117.  

We now officially have 0 AP WUs awaiting validation!!!!
Can we say yay?

60,268 waiting for assimilation....let's see how that goes.


It does not seem to go well at all. AP assimilation is not keeping up. It was down there for a while to around 56,000, but now it's raising again, it's 57,720 as of now.


ap_assimilator6 is back online and we are down to 53,733. So making headway again!
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Message 1128179 - Posted: 16 Jul 2011, 4:10:05 UTC - in response to Message 1128174.  

We now officially have 0 AP WUs awaiting validation!!!!
Can we say yay?

60,268 waiting for assimilation....let's see how that goes.


It does not seem to go well at all. AP assimilation is not keeping up. It was down there for a while to around 56,000, but now it's raising again, it's 57,720 as of now.


ap_assimilator6 is back online and we are down to 53,733. So making headway again!

Update...48,742.
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Message 1128218 - Posted: 16 Jul 2011, 8:08:20 UTC - in response to Message 1128179.  

We now officially have 0 AP WUs awaiting validation!!!!
Can we say yay?

60,268 waiting for assimilation....let's see how that goes.


It does not seem to go well at all. AP assimilation is not keeping up. It was down there for a while to around 56,000, but now it's raising again, it's 57,720 as of now.


ap_assimilator6 is back online and we are down to 53,733. So making headway again!

Update...48,742.


Update on the update - 45,590
(But AP assimilators 3-6 not running just now)

AP validation queue now at 211,018


(Do AP results take more validation effort than MB results? - My guess is they do)
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Message 1128256 - Posted: 16 Jul 2011, 11:54:11 UTC - in response to Message 1128098.  

Yeah Sten, I was looking at the wrong numbers. The same thing was pointed out to me on the Lunatics forum. I was looking at the CPU time instead of the run time. Why he took so much more CPU time than I did is something else that has to be looked at.


Yeah, my ATI card doesn't use even close to that high amount of CPU time compared with the full Run time. He must have some settings in the "<cmdline>-instances_per_device x -unroll xx -ffa_block xxxx -ffa_block_fetch xxxx -hp</cmdline>" set to strange numbers. Unfortunately his stderr was never added in full to the WU.

could you be more specific please? what is your average/typical full run time? and what is your average/typical associated CPU run time? i see you have an ATI 4xxx GPU (i have a 5870 2GB GPU), but i think we can compare different GPUs so long as we're just looking at the ratio of CPU run time to full run time.

my AP tasks run for 4,500 sec. on average, while the associated CPU run times average approx. 3,200 sec. when i compared the full run times of a few random AP tasks to their associated CPU run times though, i'd say that my CPU run times most often fall between 70-85% of my full run times. i do run 2 tasks simultaneously, but i have never messed with the other parameters (-unroll xx -ffa_block xxxx -ffa_block_fetch xxxx -hp). perhaps i'm seeing high CPU run times b/c i'm still running the Lunatics v0.37 installation? maybe i'll get a chance to install v0.38 this weekend and see if that cuts down on my CPU run times.
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Message 1128260 - Posted: 16 Jul 2011, 12:42:50 UTC - in response to Message 1128218.  

Update on the update - 45,590
(But AP assimilators 3-6 not running just now)

AP validation queue now at 211,018


(Do AP results take more validation effort than MB results? - My guess is they do)

Probably slightly less, IMO. The amount of computation involved is trivial in either case, the BOINC database load is identical. So the difference would come down to the size of the result files which have to be fetched from storage, and AP result files average smaller than MB.

Because the "Results returned and awaiting validation" shows those waiting for the wingmate's return plus those waiting for a validator plus those not yet assimilated, it's hard to interpret. The "Workunits waiting for assimilation" is clear.

The first two ap_assimilators are set up like the first two validators, to handle "astropulse" or "astropulse_v5" cases although there should be none. The ap_assimilator3 through ap_assimilator6 each handle a quarter of the "astropulse_v505" load, based on the remainder when the workunit ID is divided by 4. IOW, all four of those assimilators must run to actually get the "Workunits waiting for assimilation" cleared out. And unlike splitters, they shouldn't go to "Not running" state for lack of something to do, they are designed to sleep for a short period and then check again whether there's something to do.
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