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Message 1125047 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 10:35:26 UTC

Well the power of the people appear to be speaking. Good job too, the NOTW has always been a rubbishy rag, and if it goes out of business I shall raise a glass (or two) :-)

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Although it is raising a lot of moral questions...

The News of the World has already started paying compensation for phone-hacking. Now it's facing another financial penalty - a loss of advertising.

Following the Milly Dowler allegations, Ford has suspended its advertisements, saying "it cares about the standards of behaviour of those it deals with externally".

Halifax and Npower say they are reviewing their options. Tesco and Virgin Media say they're awaiting the outcome of the police investigations.

Many will applaud Ford's action. But should advertisers use their financial muscle to try to influence the behaviour of the media? It is not usually regarded as a good thing for big business to threaten newspapers and broadcasters, particularly over editorial issues.

There have been exceptions. Carphone Warehouse stopped sponsoring Channel 4's Big Brother, following allegations of racism towards Shilpa Shetty. It's the advertisers' money - but are they the right people to tell the media how to behave?

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Message 1125078 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 12:22:52 UTC - in response to Message 1125047.

Gee, Rupert Murdocks News gatherers doing something unsavory? Say it ain't so. One has to wonder if these jackals are working this alone or is it a corporate decision. If it is a corporate decision, are his other news outlets doing it as well?
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Message 1125120 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 15:07:45 UTC

As I speak I am listening to an Emergency Debate in the House of Commons about this very issue. Rupert Murdoch has been named and shamed as a "not a fit and proper person to be granted a licence run a newspaper"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14042764

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Message 1125131 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 15:30:18 UTC - in response to Message 1125120.

I'd think that any paper that got caught doing that should be taken off the rack and not permitted to sell in that country. Then you can go after the owners,editors and the individuals that did the tampering
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Message 1125155 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 16:51:27 UTC

Damn censor pig. Just arrest the guilty and jail them for the crime. Don't make censoring legal!

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Message 1125182 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 17:49:49 UTC - in response to Message 1125155.

and we know that no other Murdock rag does this type of activity. Can it be investigated? This wasn't their first dip into these waters.
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Message 1125239 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 19:53:20 UTC - in response to Message 1125155.

Damn censor pig. Just arrest the guilty and jail them for the crime. Don't make censoring legal!


I could be missing something, though I don't see any references to censorship in the articles linked nor in the thread (except the above). I'm not sure where censorship arises in the the phone hacking debacle, unless it's self-censorship by News of the World and/or News International in a bid to retain advertisers. If the subject were to become pertinent, I think the horse has already bolted on that one in the UK, "super-injunction" anyone? DA-Notice?

"But should advertisers use their financial muscle to try to influence the behaviour of the media? It is not usually regarded as a good thing for big business to threaten newspapers and broadcasters, particularly over editorial issues."

If this were an issue of editorial I'd agree. The issue here is the length the NotW would go to when collecting information for news stories (e.g. hacking the phones of family members of 7/7 victims). If a US news organization were found to have hacked the cell phones of the families of 9/11 victims I suspect that it would have no advertisers today (well, aside from the odd twoofer).
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Message 1125248 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 20:04:03 UTC - in response to Message 1125239.

Damn censor pig. Just arrest the guilty and jail them for the crime. Don't make censoring legal!


I could be missing something, though I don't see any references to censorship in the articles linked nor in the thread (except the above).

Bobby go read the thread again ...

not a fit and proper person to be granted a licence run a newspaper



any paper that got caught doing that should be taken off the rack and not permitted to sell


That is censorship!

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Message 1125256 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 20:20:21 UTC - in response to Message 1125248.

Illegal activity is illegal activity its got nothing to do with censoring. When an organization is party to the crime it should pay the only price available, removal from circulation
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Message 1125274 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 21:21:41 UTC

Laying aside the arguments about censorship there are legal and moral lines that are alleged to have been crossed by the NoW.
Is it morally right to tap the phones of those that have been bereaved?
Is it legal to tap ANY phone without the appropriate authority?

While some may see a "moral" argument for tapping a celebrity's phone there can be no moral justification for tapping the phone of one who has lost a loved one in violent circumstances. I can see no moral justification for tapping the victim's phone on the off-chance that a paper may gain some "nice tittle-tattle" about the victim or their family.
But without the appropriate legal authority then any phone tapping (in the UK) is an illegal act, and so the NoW, if proven guilty should face the appropriate legal punishment.

Let us see what comes out of the various investigations that are being carried out, which may, or may not, lead to prosecution if there is evidence that a crime has been committed.
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Message 1125277 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 21:43:06 UTC - in response to Message 1125248.

Damn censor pig. Just arrest the guilty and jail them for the crime. Don't make censoring legal!


I could be missing something, though I don't see any references to censorship in the articles linked nor in the thread (except the above).

Bobby go read the thread again ...

not a fit and proper person to be granted a licence run a newspaper



any paper that got caught doing that should be taken off the rack and not permitted to sell


That is censorship!


Apologies, brain not fully engaged. Though I suspect that sales will take a hit without the need for state intervention. The weekday sister paper of the Sunday only News of the World, The Sun, has suffered massive circulation issues in Liverpool after a disaster at a soccer match, when it published a front page article stating that the Liverpudlians had behaved despicably. It's not inconceivable that the current controversy will have a similar effect, though on a wider basis.

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Message 1125328 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 23:14:18 UTC - in response to Message 1125277.

Bobby, Apology Accepted.

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Message 1125331 - Posted: 6 Jul 2011, 23:20:02 UTC

Tapping is what the press is calling this to sensationalize it. What it is likely is the default PIN number to the voice mail was never changed. Don't know over there if that is 0000 or the last 4 digits of the phone number. I doubt they find that the PI has a person inside the phone company who read out the PIN number, if they can even do that. I also doubt the PI tried 0000, 0001, 0002 ...

In California the PI would be guilty of Penal Code 502, unauthorized access and could do Felony time. Anyone who conspired with him also guilty. Should be a simple slam dunk with the phone company logs.

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Message 1125375 - Posted: 7 Jul 2011, 2:38:20 UTC - in response to Message 1125331.

If the Brits are half as good as we are at finding evidence and if their laws are at least similar then they have multiple cases of illegal activity.

Lets also note that there appears to be a bit of a problem with the police getting paid to look the other way.
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Message 1125445 - Posted: 7 Jul 2011, 8:37:25 UTC

THis getting more involved and nastier by the day.

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Message 1125504 - Posted: 7 Jul 2011, 14:20:12 UTC - in response to Message 1125445.

you have to wonder how often the editor was on vacation. Claims that she was out when the initial reports came in now make her seem like a huge liar
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Message 1125524 - Posted: 7 Jul 2011, 16:33:57 UTC
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BREAKING NEWS - NEWS OF THE WORLD IS BEING SHUT DOWN AND CLOSED

Paper dead

However it has just been reported that there is a new URL registered just two days ago. www.sundaysun.co.uk

This is now being seen a simply a re-branding exercise. They couldn't save the NOTW but they will continue in another format.

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Message 1125538 - Posted: 7 Jul 2011, 17:11:04 UTC - in response to Message 1125524.

Shows how a few bad apples can completely smear and destroy a corporation. And you wonder why your supervisor hovers over you ...
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Message 1125542 - Posted: 7 Jul 2011, 17:15:36 UTC

Nick Robinson BBC Political editor writes:

It was clear that something had to give but I had assumed that something would be the chief executive of News International, Rebekah Brooks.

Rupert Murdoch has, instead, sacrificed the News of the World - or, at least, its title. I assume he will produce another Sunday paper - perhaps, as Robert Peston has suggested on his blog, The Sunday Sun.

Team Murdoch must have realised that the name News of the World would be referred to again and again over the next few months in connection with the alleged phone-hacking of a murdered girl, grieving parents and war widows.

The question now is whether this will make the government's dilemma about the takeover of BSkyB easier or harder?

My guess is that the Murdochs have sacrificed the News of the World in order to salvage their television ambitions.

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Message 1125546 - Posted: 7 Jul 2011, 17:47:05 UTC - in response to Message 1125542.

from what I've read your Parliament is taking a second look at Murdock buying BskyB
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