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Message 1109019 - Posted: 23 May 2011, 14:44:14 UTC

All for the sake of 'culture', religion, and greed:


India's unwanted girls

India's 2011 census shows a serious decline in the number of girls under the age of seven - activists fear eight million female foetuses may have been aborted in the past decade. ...

... Prime Minister Manmohan Singh described female foeticide and infanticide as a "national shame" and called for a "crusade" to save girl babies.

But Sabu George, India's best-known campaigner on the issue, says the government has so far shown little determination to stop the practices. ...



This comment is rather apt:

Changing abortion laws/outlawing abortion won't matter a jot here. There needs to be serious investigation into the on-going practice of dowry exchange and strong education on the role of women and their rights in Indian society. In order for this situation to change it would require massive cultural upheaval. Call me cynical, but can a country really change it's entire cultural view of women?


So how do we change the world for the better?

Southern India has a very good example that can be followed where good and freely available education equally for everyone, girls aswel as boys, has greatly helped to stabilise the population in various ways. So why not for the rest of the country?...


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Message 1109038 - Posted: 23 May 2011, 15:46:35 UTC - in response to Message 1109019.

I recall that a major portion of Indian Christians live in the south. This may be part of the reason things have shifted a bit there
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Message 1109048 - Posted: 23 May 2011, 16:05:01 UTC

India has had 60 years of home rule. That's probably a lot to do with it.

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Message 1109244 - Posted: 24 May 2011, 2:26:26 UTC - in response to Message 1109019.

Is it me, or is a country that is doing this preparing itself for a massive war in a couple of decades?

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Message 1109318 - Posted: 24 May 2011, 10:12:42 UTC

Is it me, or is a country that is doing this preparing itself for a massive war in a couple of decades?


No, I don't think so. It is just the Indian culture of today.

"They didn't want girls in the family. They wanted boys so they could get fat dowries," she says. India outlawed dowries in 1961, but the practice remains rampant and the value of dowries is constantly growing, affecting rich and poor alike.


There's no difference between girls and boys. But here they think differently. There's no happiness when a girl is born. They say the son will carry forward our lineage, but the daughter will get married and go off to another family.

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Message 1109350 - Posted: 24 May 2011, 13:50:36 UTC - in response to Message 1109318.

Is it me, or is a country that is doing this preparing itself for a massive war in a couple of decades?


No, I don't think so. It is just the Indian culture of today.

Just wondering what happens when all those boys can't find wives and what their reaction may be.

India isn't the only country where there is a large sex ratio imbalance either.


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Message 1109382 - Posted: 24 May 2011, 15:22:34 UTC

I'll tell you a very sad story. A few years ago I had a young bright Indian girl in my IT class. Romped through all the work. She told me that back in India she had won a scholarship to train as a doctor, but a marriage had been arranged for her by her parents.

The prospective husband lived in the UK and his family said that they were not prepared to wait 5 years while she qualified, so unless she came to the UK fairly quickly, the marriage was off and they'd look for someone else. So her parents sent her over.

I think she was pretty much just married when I first knew her. I happened to meet her a year later in the town and she was obviously quite pregnant. I said well, that was quick, I guess congratulations are in order. She looked at me with sad eyes and said, she didn't have much choice in the matter.

It all goes on over here not just over there......

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Message 1109424 - Posted: 24 May 2011, 21:46:32 UTC - in response to Message 1109382.

whats not surprising is both India and china are producing a surplus of boy babies which will lead to an awful lot of bachelors in the decades to come
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Message 1109479 - Posted: 25 May 2011, 2:20:30 UTC

Theoretically, for each birth, P(B) = 1/2 and P(G) = 1/2.
I think you will find empirically, the percentages of women is somewhere between 50 and 51 percent. The percentage of men is below 50%, but not below 49%.
Now multiply by a number between 6 billion and 7 billion. (To avoid confusion in the UK, that's 6 or 7 followed by two sets of three zeros.)

By no means, though, does this justify misognystic behaviors/policies.

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Message 1109485 - Posted: 25 May 2011, 2:35:08 UTC - in response to Message 1109479.
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don't you mean 3 sets of 3 zeros. 6,000,000,000 for brits its 6,000 million
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Message 1109513 - Posted: 25 May 2011, 3:51:05 UTC - in response to Message 1109479.

Theoretically, for each birth, P(B) = 1/2 and P(G) = 1/2.
I think you will find empirically, the percentages of women is somewhere between 50 and 51 percent. The percentage of men is below 50%, but not below 49%.

BZZZZZZZZZZZT...
Answer, 105 males to 100 females at birth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio

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Message 1109655 - Posted: 25 May 2011, 16:17:29 UTC - in response to Message 1109513.

yeah a few more men per women are born and darwin clears out a few men as the population ages until there are fewer men than woman
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Message 1109833 - Posted: 26 May 2011, 3:14:21 UTC - in response to Message 1109485.

don't you mean 3 sets of 3 zeros. 6,000,000,000 for brits its 6,000 million

You are correct, I erred. I reversed things. A billion in the UK has 2 sets of three zeros. We have 3 sets.[/list]

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Message 1109835 - Posted: 26 May 2011, 3:16:12 UTC - in response to Message 1109655.

yeah a few more men per women are born and darwin clears out a few men as the population ages until there are fewer men than woman

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Message 1109908 - Posted: 26 May 2011, 9:13:38 UTC - in response to Message 1109835.
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yeah a few more men per women are born and darwin clears out ...

Indeed.


In the cold misogynist cruelty of India (and other anti-women countries/states/cultures/religions), perhaps 'market forces' might take over from Darwin to increase their 'value' due to their scarcity...


Time for an India women's movement?

Set up refuges where women can safely withdraw their services until they do gain due respect?


Or how many more generations will there be for continued misogynist ignorance?

We can all whinge on these forums, but what to do about it?

Anyone heard anything of Sakineh for a while?...


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Message 1109954 - Posted: 26 May 2011, 13:49:52 UTC
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We have posters up in our College advertising the FMU, but I would imagine 95% goes unreported.

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Message 1110192 - Posted: 27 May 2011, 2:30:00 UTC - in response to Message 1109908.



In the cold misogynist cruelty of India (and other anti-women countries/states/cultures/religions), perhaps 'market forces' might take over from Darwin to increase their 'value' due to their scarcity...


Time for an India women's movement?

Set up refuges where women can safely withdraw their services until they do gain due respect?


Or how many more generations will there be for continued misogynist ignorance?

We can all whinge on these forums, but what to do about it?

Anyone heard anything of Sakineh for a while?...


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I think that you will find Martin, that there has been a women's movement in India for quite some time. The women's movement in India: Action and reflection

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Message 1110221 - Posted: 27 May 2011, 3:42:28 UTC

China: Can Education Curb a Mistress Epidemic?
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,2072530,00.html

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