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Message 1107290 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 15:37:30 UTC

I wonder who the h..l thought to change the user interface of the new Boinc manager.
Now with the 6.12.26 version, with default Greek language when a wu is end, I must scroll down all the way to see if there are ’’ready to report’’ wu’s.
And it is partial ok on my small rigs which have 600 – 1000 wu’s. My main cruncher has 7000 and if I want to see them I must scroll 7000 wu’s down? I don’t know if this is happening at the English version.
And PLEASE the message tab MUST be out of the drop down menu, at the advanced view.
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Message 1107301 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 16:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 1107290.  

It is possible to use the old (6.10.x) BOINC Manager with the new BOINC client.
You need to backup boincmgr.exe (and boinc.dll, I think) from the 6.10.x (C:\Program Files\BOINC) and restore them after upgrading to 6.12.x.
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Message 1107302 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 16:19:22 UTC

Have you tried 'Boinc Tasks' from Fred?
http://www.efmer.eu/boinc/boinc_tasks/
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Message 1107306 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 16:23:49 UTC - in response to Message 1107302.  

yeah you kinda have to wonder what they were thinking. I don't recall reading complaints about the layout but apparently the software guys did. So like MS the rearrange things so we have to relearn them. I wish they'd have gone with my suggestion and allow the main tabs and the tabs inside to be user moveable. So that we can arrange the tabs to our own liking.
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Message 1107326 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 16:44:23 UTC

Yep, thats the reason i run mgr 6.10. with new client.

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Message 1107335 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 17:15:26 UTC

According to the blurb the new 6.12.26 version caters for the following.

* New: Project notices. This feature is designed to help projects improve communication between themselves and the volunteers by automatically displaying project news within the BOINC Manager
* New: VirtualBox Detection for projects that want to process work within a Virtual Machine
* New: New BOINC Skin for the simple GUI
* Fix: Numerous CPU/GPU scheduling fixes
* Fix: Numerous work-fetch fixes
* Fix: Adjust permissions when installed as a service so that GPU applications are not denied access to GPU DLLs (Win)


Personally I don't like the new user interface. Before, I could go straight to Messages to find out why things are/are not happening. Now I have to go to Advanced/event log. Also I don't want project notices, I am quite capable of going to the projects themselves to find out what's new.

No doubt the various fixes were necessary, but the Boinc Devs seem to be taking the MS view. Lets give the users what we think they want rather than asking them what they would like.
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Message 1107341 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 17:32:16 UTC - in response to Message 1107301.  

@ Khangollo.Yes but we are talking about the official version. User mustn’t do trick’s. Just install and run.
Agreed with Chris S . I don’t like the project notices. Instead I want back the Message tab. It is much more important.

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Message 1107345 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 17:38:20 UTC - in response to Message 1107341.  

the excuse for changing messages was that the messages were confusing people and people were asking a lot of questions about the messages. well the messages are still there just in a different less appealing and more difficult to get to
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Message 1107346 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 17:38:36 UTC

What was the messages tab is now the 'Event log' opens up in a seperate window and can be accessed via Advanced->Event log (Ctrl+Shift+E)
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Message 1107352 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 17:48:23 UTC

* Fix: Adjust permissions when installed as a service so that GPU applications are not denied access to GPU DLLs (Win)


Does this mean that now Boinc may be installed as a service on Windows machines and Boinc will have access to the GPU's for crunching?

Windows 7 x64 even????
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Message 1107385 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 19:02:09 UTC

I might stick this on a laptop to test the GUI, rather than change my machine machine.
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Message 1107397 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 19:46:06 UTC - in response to Message 1107385.  
Last modified: 18 May 2011, 20:18:05 UTC

Well, can't hurt to install the latest BOINC on my LT (T2400 C2D)(WIN XP x86).

Be back after the install.

Just takes a few minutes, if Murphy doesn't interfere ;-)
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Starting BOINC client version 6.12.26 for windows_intelx86
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Libraries: libcurl/7.19.7 OpenSSL/0.9.8l zlib/1.2.5
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Data directory: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\BOINC
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Running under account Fred Verster
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2400  @ 1.83GHz [Family 6 Model 14 Stepping 8]
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Processor: 2.00 MB cache
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni nx vmx tm2 pbe
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Memory: 2.00 GB physical, 3.84 GB virtual
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Disk: 67.66 GB total, 42.45 GB free
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Local time is UTC +2 hours
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | No usable GPUs found
18-5-2011 21:50:20 | SETI@home | Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Version change (6.10.60 -> 6.12.26)
18-5-2011 21:50:20 | climateprediction.net | URL http://climateprediction.net/; Computer ID 1077614; resource share 200
18-5-2011 21:50:20 | SETI@home | URL http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/; Computer ID 5386768; resource share 600
18-5-2011 21:50:20 | climateprediction.net | General prefs: from climateprediction.net (last modified 13-May-2011 21:56:13)
18-5-2011 21:50:20 | climateprediction.net | Computer location: home
18-5-2011 21:50:20 | climateprediction.net | General prefs: no separate prefs for home; using your defaults
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Reading preferences override file
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Preferences:
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  |    max memory usage when active: 1023.02MB
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  |    max memory usage when idle: 1841.44MB
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  |    max disk usage: 6.77GB
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  |    don't use GPU while active
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  |    max download rate: 800000 bytes/sec
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  |    max upload rate: 59996 bytes/sec
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  |    (to change preferences, visit the web site of an attached project, or select Preferences in the Manager)
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Not using a proxy
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Running CPU benchmarks
18-5-2011 21:50:20 |  | Suspending computation - CPU benchmarks in progress
18-5-2011 21:50:52 |  | Benchmark results:
18-5-2011 21:50:52 |  |    Number of CPUs: 2
18-5-2011 21:50:52 |  |    1657 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
18-5-2011 21:50:52 |  |    2516 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
18-5-2011 21:50:53 | climateprediction.net | Restarting task hadcm3n_p7le_1900_40_007227426_0 using hadcm3n version 607
18-5-2011 21:50:53 | SETI@home | Restarting task 17no10aa.24218.3339.6.10.162.vlar_0 using setiathome_enhanced version 603


You now can keep 2 separate BOINC windows open BOINC and the LOG-FILE,
as it is now called and can be open and BOINC mgr minimized.

And I like the way the work is shown, Name Project file, progress, Elapsed time,
etc.
What the Messages Tab, is used for and what kind of messages would be displayed?
And why the Option starting another BOINC, this was always possible, even more, but mostly, quite useless!

Keeping the LOG-FILE a separate screen/window, is handy, with BOINC mgr. minimized!
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Message 1107406 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 20:26:47 UTC - in response to Message 1107290.  
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I wonder who the h..l thought to change the user interface of the new Boinc manager.
Now with the 6.12.26 version, with default Greek language when a wu is end, I must scroll down all the way to see if there are ’’ready to report’’ wu’s.
And it is partial ok on my small rigs which have 600 – 1000 wu’s. My main cruncher has 7000 and if I want to see them I must scroll 7000 wu’s down? I don’t know if this is happening at the English version.
And PLEASE the message tab MUST be out of the drop down menu, at the advanced view.


You always have had the ability to sort the tasks by clicking the PROGRESS column. Just click the column heading until the arrow is point down. Also by clicking the SHOW ACTIVE/ALL TASKS button on the left, you can either see them all of you tasks or just those that are active.

Mine is set up to display in active tasks in descending order. If I want to see how many I have to report, I just click the show tasks button on the left. It's been this way af far back as I can remember.

As far as I know the MESSAGE tab is here to stay. It seems that a lot of new comers complained that the old set up was TMI, so they set it up as a tab. A lot of us old heads complained about it being a tab, but I don't think it will return as it was. I keep mine minimized so that it is always available just by clicking it on the task bar at the bottom of my screen.
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Message 1107410 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 20:32:35 UTC

I want my startup messages back!

Back in the days of DOS, I could see everything that was loading from my CONFIG.SYS and my AUTOEXEC.BAT files, and any relevant messages that went along with it!

Now Microsoft thinks I don't need to see those messages. I'm just presented with a "Starting Windows" graphic, and sometimes an uninformative "Configuring Updates" message before I can log in! Why do they have to make things so hard for people like me?




What? Most people didn't understand those DOS messages? Most people read them and misinterpreted informative messages as errors? Well they should learn!



And I want my Event Viewer messages right on the Windows desktop! I don't want to have to dig deep in Administrative Tools to find my Event Viewer! How dare Microsoft hide it to where people can't find it? What do you mean most poeple don't understand the messages in Event Viewer!?!




Moral of the story: Remember, we all started using BOINC, which was someone else's idea to begin with. Many people criticized the software for being too "geeky", and that criticism sticks to this day. If the Messages tab wasn't a tab to begin with, would we still be having this argument today? I see nothing wrong with the developers trying to give BOINC a more universal appeal to attract more users for the projects, even if that means our techy messages needs to be buried a little deeper to prevent it from scaring some people.

If we all truly believe in distributed computing, and that every CPU on every platform in every device should be spending their spare cycles crunching for science to further mankind, then this is the right path to follow.
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Message 1107566 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 5:52:01 UTC - in response to Message 1107410.  
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For me "the right path to follow" is: give options to the users!

The problem is not with the new default look - The problem is that it is the only look.

The best option will be the ability to show/hide any tab (including Notices and Messages/Event Log).
New to BOINC will see/use Notices and old users probably will re-enable Messages tab.

Another good behavior will be if the installation detects it is an upgrade (so user is familiar with BOINC) and asks the user which tabs to show (Notices and/or Messages).

(and I know I can use the older BOINC Manager when/if I go to 6.12.x)





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Message 1107648 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 14:48:10 UTC - in response to Message 1107566.  


For me "the right path to follow" is: give options to the users!

The problem is not with the new default look - The problem is that it is the only look.


The only people that are asking for options are the advanced users, which are a minority of users.

Then, many of us advanced users help out over in Q&A (like you and I) and often we'll end up telling the user to "unhide" the Messages Tab and tell us what's in there, which means they'll leave the Messages tab unhidden after they've received help. Then we're back at square one of users seeing the Messages tab and being able to misinterpret informative messages as errors.

People abuse options they're given. People have the option of setting up to 20 days of cache even though this messes with the BOINC scheduler, yet people do it anyway, then they complain that BOINC is broken.


While we're screaming for options, I still want an optimized application that has the screen saver built in! I want efficient processing but I still want to show off the pretty graphics on my 54" LCD TV!
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Message 1107653 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 15:04:18 UTC - in response to Message 1107648.  


The only people that are asking for options are the advanced users, which are a minority of users.

And that's why there are a couple of alternatives for the BOINC manager, made specifically for advanced users.
See below.

TThrottle Control your temperatures. BoincTasks The best way to view BOINC. Anza Borrego Desert hiking.
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Message 1107744 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 20:02:12 UTC
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Just put this version on the CQ10 netbook.

No I don't like it. I like to have any fields I like in any order. It's not logical to have the progress on the far left. You should introduce each unit reading form the left, with the progress central or at the end.

What would be nice is to be able to order the units in terms of resend, so you can control the order of processing by doing your resends first. Or what about this being a future feature/option anyway? I always think it's good science.

I'll be sticking to 6.10.xx on main Inspiron 531 until it's changed.
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Message 1107759 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 20:26:31 UTC - in response to Message 1107744.  

What would be nice is to be able to order the units in terms of resend, so you can control the order of processing by doing your resends first. Or what about this being a future feature/option anyway? I always think it's good science.


Again, why the micro-managing of BOINC? Why not let BOINC's scheduler handle it? Works great for me.

I'll be sticking to 6.10.xx on main Inspiron 531 until it's changed.


I'm still holding onto 5.10.45 on my Domain Controllers while I await a newer version that's compatible. ;-)
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Message 1107823 - Posted: 20 May 2011, 1:13:23 UTC - in response to Message 1107759.  



I'm still holding onto 5.10.45 on my Domain Controllers while I await a newer version that's compatible. ;-)


There is no need to wait!

Just copy the 6.12.26_windows_x86_64.exe to a separate directory, and run "boinc_6.12.26_windows_x86_64 /a" from CMD in that directory. Copy the extracted files from ..\Program Files 64\BOINC and replace the files in destination directory %Programfiles%\boinc on Domain controller.

I have done this on my DCs since the weird choice not to recognise Active Directory / not to use Global Account API's.

And of course make sure you replace boincmngr.exe and boinc.dll with the properly designed 6.10.60 versions :-)
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