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keith Send message Joined: 18 Dec 10 Posts: 454 Credit: 9,054 RAC: 0 |
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skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
I can't imagine why any labor union would march with communists. I have a funny feeling that the actual march was for a latino cause (Cinco de Mayo) and the nutbags came out of the wood work unfortunately we see only what someone wants us to see. which clearly is people that are uninformed and uneducated enough to even guess what communism would hold for them. quick answer is nothing. They be doing the same thing they are doing now, workwise. They certainly wouldn't be allowed to protest In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
The Internationale Stand up, damned of the Earth Stand up, prisoners of hunger Reason thunders in its volcano This is the eruption of the end Of the past let us make a clean slate Enslaved masses, stand up, stand up The world is about to change its foundation We are nothing, let us be all |: This is the final struggle Let us group together, and tomorrow The Internationale Will be the human race :| There are no supreme saviours Neither God, nor Caesar, nor tribune. Producers, let us save ourselves Decree the common salvation So that the thief expires, So that the spirit be pulled from its prison, Let us fan the forge ourselves Strike the iron while it is hot |: This is the final struggle Let us group together, and tomorrow The Internationale Will be the human race :| The State oppresses and the law cheats Tax bleeds the unfortunate No duty is imposed on the rich The rights of the poor is an empty phrase Enough languishing in custody Equality wants other laws: No rights without duties, she says, Equally, no duties without rights |: This is the final struggle Let us group together, and tomorrow The Internationale Will be the human race :| Hideous in their apotheosis The kings of the mine and of the rail Have they ever done anything other Than steal work? Inside the safeboxes of the gang, What work had created melted. By ordering that they give it back The people want only their due. |: This is the final struggle Let us group together, and tomorrow The Internationale Will be the human race :| The kings made us drunk with fumes, Peace among us, war to the tyrants! Let the armies go on strike, Stocks in the air, and break ranks If they insist, these cannibals On making heroes of us, They will know soon that our bullets Are for our own generals |: This is the final struggle Let us group together, and tomorrow The Internationale Will be the human race :| Workers, peasants, we are The great party of labourers The earth belongs only to men The idle will go to reside elsewhere How much of our flesh have they consumed, But if these ravens, these vultures Disappeared one of these days The sun will shine forever |: This is the final struggle Let us group together, and tomorrow The International Will be the human race :| Reality Internet Personality |
Jim_S Send message Joined: 23 Feb 00 Posts: 4705 Credit: 64,560,357 RAC: 31 |
Let the ones that want communism go elsewhere to live it. I Prefer Freedom. [EDIT]With the Chance for Changes![/EDIT] I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.) |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Thank you Keith for your link, I found it most encouraging. I thought that the Communist Party of the U.S. was moribund but now see that it is indeed alive and well and joining the fight for social justice. One of the images shows the Young Communist League with the words Peace, Equality, Democracy and Socialism on their banner. Seems to me these are worthy goals. For further information I can offer my own link a world where people come before profits |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for ninety years. I think anarchists, socialists, sexists, and racists would disagree. |
Hev Send message Joined: 4 Jun 05 Posts: 1118 Credit: 598,303 RAC: 0 |
Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for ninety years. Are you lumping anarchists and socialists in with sexists and racists? |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
I assume only when it comes to being picked on by the american communist party In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for ninety years. Nope. Just stating those that would feel different to everything mentioned. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for ninety years. hmmm..the Anarchists and Socialists want equality for all. SO they certainly wouldn't agree with the Sexists and Racists. Reality Internet Personality |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for ninety years. Not the Anarchists and Socialists I was referring to. The Anarchists I was referring to are the type that do not believe in equality, but in domination over all others. They want no laws because they think that the strongest should be on top and all others should be subservient. These are not the "peaceful" lawless Anarchists you're thinking of. These do not believe in the political Anarchism so much as the physical lack of laws to do as one pleases, including to harm others. The Socialists I was referring to believe in their own superiority above all others purely by social or financial status. They don't want to be equal with others, they want segregation from those lesser than them. I'm not referring to your common political Socialist party. Again, I never said all four groups were lumped together and in agreement on anything. I was merely pointing out that not all people want peace and fairness. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
You are talking about the libertarians (follows of Ayn Rand) and far right conservatives then who are a form of Anarchists. Even the Libertarians do not support racism and sexism as they are individual elitists. The Socialists I was referring to believe in their own superiority above all others purely by social or financial status. They don't want to be equal with others, they want segregation from those lesser than them. I'm not referring to your common political Socialist party. I have never come across Socialists like this. You will have to give me examples. Again, I never said all four groups were lumped together and in agreement on anything. I was merely pointing out that not all people want peace and fairness. Well the groups you picked are usually considered the antithesis of sexists and racists. So you can understand why I am confused by your comments. Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I think he is referring to the clowns someone stuck with the label anarchist who show up at WTO meetings for the sole purpose of rioting. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I am most certainly referring to similar clowns. I have the unfortunate experience of knowing a few of these people to this day. They currently abide by society's laws because they do not wish to go to jail, but they keep telling me that they are for a complete government overthrow and lack of rules. No, Es99, these are not followers in the Ayn Rand philosophy. Their anarchist philosophy is that they want to return to the raw-and-gritty days of nomad-ism where a man could truly own his land (paid no taxes) if he lived outside of a ruled kingdom, and he could kill any tress-passers he wishes without having to answer to societal laws about if the killing were ethical. They can do as they please on their own land without having to answer to anybody but themselves. They are also chauvanist in that they want the females barefoot, pregnant and subservient. They want to be King of their own castles, with their children as free-labor peasants. The Socialists I was referring to believe in their own superiority above all others purely by social or financial status. They don't want to be equal with others, they want segregation from those lesser than them. I'm not referring to your common political Socialist party. Rich elitist snobs who want their own cliche of socialism to only help their own kind. Again, I never said all four groups were lumped together and in agreement on anything. I was merely pointing out that not all people want peace and fairness. Yes, I failed to clarify that I wasn't referring to the common politico-philosophical groups as commonly described by their definitions. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
"Rich elitist snobs who want their own cliche of socialism to only help their own kind. " Oh.. you mean republicans? Janice |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
No, Es99, these are not followers in the Ayn Rand philosophy. Their anarchist philosophy is that they want to return to the raw-and-gritty days of nomad-ism where a man could truly own his land (paid no taxes) if he lived outside of a ruled kingdom, and he could kill any tress-passers he wishes without having to answer to societal laws about if the killing were ethical. They can do as they please on their own land without having to answer to anybody but themselves. They are also chauvanist in that they want the females barefoot, pregnant and subservient. They want to be King of their own castles, with their children as free-labor peasants. While they may say they are anarchists, the description sounds more like feudalism. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
No, Es99, these are not followers in the Ayn Rand philosophy. Their anarchist philosophy is that they want to return to the raw-and-gritty days of nomad-ism where a man could truly own his land (paid no taxes) if he lived outside of a ruled kingdom, and he could kill any tress-passers he wishes without having to answer to societal laws about if the killing were ethical. They can do as they please on their own land without having to answer to anybody but themselves. They are also chauvanist in that they want the females barefoot, pregnant and subservient. They want to be King of their own castles, with their children as free-labor peasants. No, certainly not feudalism. Feudalism still has a system, and circles around "warrior nobility". They want no system at all. Each man is isolated from the rest of the world and completely self-reliant. |
Franz Bauer Send message Joined: 8 Feb 01 Posts: 127 Credit: 9,690,361 RAC: 0 |
Hey not fair!!! What was our slogan back in the 70's when the Parti Quebec took power in the province of Quebec in 1973. Over the balance of the decade there was a mass exodus of English speaking people from the province. This resulted in the shift of economic and cultural power from Montreal to Toronto. Last one to leave Quebec, turn out the lights. |
keith Send message Joined: 18 Dec 10 Posts: 454 Credit: 9,054 RAC: 0 |
We all know when you speak of equality, you speak of economic equality. If you want it, work for it. That means having initiative and drive, getting a job and WORKING. In other words, earning what is yours, not demanding it out of thin air. Gee, what a novel concept! |
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