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Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
i still can´t understand why usa started war with iraq after iraq was usa´s best friend in -80 in middle-east, and had nothing to do with 9/11. i am still waiting when you start a war against saudi-arab,osama etc were coming from, like the 9/11 people, and some from egypt. but of course i understand that it´s easy to mix up iraq, afganistan etc to saudi-arab or egypt, could happen to anyone, without map. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
i still can´t understand why usa started war with iraq after iraq was usa´s best friend in -80 in middle-east, and had nothing to do with 9/11. Some might call the violations a response to outsider aggression an overflights into areas not covered in the surrnder terms but thats water under the bridge. WMD's really, Hans Blix made repeated visits and found nothing again and again. I recall Colin Powell pointing out that Iraq had missiles that violated the surrender agreement. within a week those missiles were destroyed. Iraq wanted no part of the US. Saddam already knew that he was weak and blustering in front of cameras was the only way to keep himself in power over his people. W and company took that blustering seriously even though we already knew he didn't have much of anything to defend himself with. BTW did one scud get launched during the second war. I think not. Any WMD found nope. why? because the one and only person feeding the US gov't hated Saddam and would say and do anything to get his regime oustered. Sadly, our brightest leaders failed to see what everyone else did. Iraq was no threat to anyone except its own people. The only legitimate reason we had to invade was the genocide Saddam perpetrated on the Shia and guess what W never ever mentioned that as a just reason to invade. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Qui-Gon Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 11 |
i still can´t understand why usa started war with iraq after iraq was usa´s best friend in -80 in middle-east, and had nothing to do with 9/11. What cease-fire treaty did the Saudis or the Egyptians violate? Your post asked why we went into Iraq, and I answered with the history that justified our the second invasion. To be clear, the Iraq war was justified by Saddam's violations of obligations he agreed to when Iraq lost the Gulf War; among other numerous violations, Hans Blix repeatedly told the UN that he was not allowed to fully inspect for WMD as required by the treaty. I am well aware of the 9/11 terrorist's home countries, but that is also irrelevant to the invasion of Iraq in 2002. If you are wondering about inconsistency, maybe you should start a thread about why the US is bombing Libya but not Syria? |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
[quote][quote][quote] To be clear, the Iraq war was justified by Saddam's violations of obligations he agreed to when Iraq lost the Gulf War; among other numerous violations, Hans Blix repeatedly told the UN that he was not allowed to fully inspect for WMD as required by the treaty. you never found anything, so there was no justification. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
WMD's were used against the Kurds. These were nerve agents delivered by artillery shells. these were obtained from the Russians most likely, We have them too. Piles of artillery shells were found that could accommodate these agents. A mobile trailer that was a lab to make these agents was also found. Nerve agents can be easily made--akin to making bug spray. Iraq was most likely invaded due to: Their caper to annex Kuwait and all of their oil Saddam's attempt to assassinate the senior president Bush. The effort failed ( or produced a poor result) due to using far too few troops to control the looting and chaos after the initial invasion and the dismantling of the Army which created a class of unemployed who knew how to fight and handle weapons. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
someones watched fox news. Those mobile trailers existed. They were mobile weather monitoring stations. unfortunately Fox never ever retracts statements. artillery shells were found. later to be mentioned that they were probably buried and forgotten before the first gulf war. Any WMD would have dissipated and or been rendered harmless from more than a decade exposed to desert heat. Lets also mention the shells were unusable. They had corroded and would have exploded in the gun. I hate to rehash but, our only outlet for info on the WMD's was an angry anti Saddam Iraqi that spoon fed the US via the British info that was whole cloth lies. there was no info on the ground no smoking gun UN arms inspectors found absolutely nothing that could be used or construed as material evidence of any WMD production. We were told a lie. A lie that still exists, apparently in the minds of a few that still think the Iraq was had any justification. Aside from the Spanish-American war which was prosecuted under shady circumstances, this war was the first time the US intentionally attacked a country without provocation. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
I hate to rehash but, our only outlet for info on the WMD's was an angry anti Saddam Iraqi that spoon fed the US via the British info that was whole cloth lies. It's not about being gullible or the CIA. W and Cheney had been plotting a course to get into a fight with Iraq at all costs. 9/11 became an opportunity. The US just grabbed the UK's hand and drug them to the show In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
as much as pulling a thorn from the neighbors dog. It's not my dog or my responsibility. Perhaps telling the neighbor about the thorn would have been appropriate In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Qui-Gon Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 11 |
To be clear, the Iraq war was justified by Saddam's violations of obligations he agreed to when Iraq lost the Gulf War; among other numerous violations, Hans Blix repeatedly told the UN that he was not allowed to fully inspect for WMD as required by the treaty. I wasn't looking, so of course I never found anything. Hans Blix tried to look, but was prevented from doing what Saddam agreed to let him (the UN) do, so of course he never found anything either. Either way, Saddam's history of using WMD and his many other violations of his obligations under the cease-fire treaty was ample justification. |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
To be clear, the Iraq war was justified by Saddam's violations of obligations he agreed to when Iraq lost the Gulf War; among other numerous violations, Hans Blix repeatedly told the UN that he was not allowed to fully inspect for WMD as required by the treaty. hohohooo. no, that was rude, you have just get used that president lie to you, so it´s okay if i tell you that i think you are right. right? |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
deposed , yes. By us, No as I stated before. neither the US gov't nor the British mentioned one word of genocide when it was buildning up for the war. BTW we were having a troop buildup long before W put the word out that Saddam was in his crosshairs. This was one time that W should have listened to his father and not invaded. George the first was told not to do it because of the ethnic violence that would erupt after an invasion In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
I hate to rehash but, our only outlet for info on the WMD's was an angry anti Saddam Iraqi that spoon fed the US via the British info that was whole cloth lies. Where did you hear that the CIA and and MI6 said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? The evidence was based on a dossier mixed with a dissertation from a university student that was then edited even more to make it sound that people were certain that there were weapons. The CIA and MI6 never reported that there were definitely WMDs. Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Telegraph No can't let that happen. I'm expect the intelligence services were 100% certain the Saddam had the people to build WMD's. No question he had the people to build chemical ones, because he had used chemical in the past. He refused to allow inspections of some facilities. He was buying the things needed to make WMD's. He boasted he had them. He used them in the past. What is the reasonable conclusion? Sometimes a decision has to be made on scanty information. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
I recall his scientists testifying after the fall that they lied to Saddam. They kept asking for money and he paid and basically they gave Saddam Dr. Brown's pinball machine parts In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Aristoteles Doukas Send message Joined: 11 Apr 08 Posts: 1091 Credit: 2,140,913 RAC: 0 |
is this the same intelligence service that published two photos of dead osama, which were shown to be faked??? |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30638 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
is this the same intelligence service that published two photos of dead osama, which were shown to be faked??? No it wasn't the propaganda office. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
no those were internet fakes as I recall In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
MICHAEL W WATERS Send message Joined: 19 May 11 Posts: 1 Credit: 392,912 RAC: 0 |
Well, myself... I'm going to toast his demise with my new drink called the "Bin Laden" ! It's simply... Two Shots Followed By A Splash Of Water ! I'm happy that he is now with his... " 72 Sturgeons " ! (that's the fish species, for those that don't know). Politics... What a waste of time, arguing over your different views ! You can not graft a new idea on a closed mind ! Most of the folks arguing here do not have the strength of character needed, to admit they are wrong even when faced with overwhelming evidence of that fact ! Of course, the folks engaging in these disputes all seem to have the inside track as to information ! So far from the truth it would be funny, if not the subject matter not so serious. You were not involved in the intelligence gathering, the decision making and in most cases the prosecution of the decisions ! Therefore, the information that you are basing your strong views on is in reality...hearsay ! Seems most folks will look for the information that supports their claims and discount the rest as propaganda, on both sides of the fence. And here I thought the folks posting on a Seti@Home Forum would be a scientific lot. Shame on me for assuming so ! In closing, I would like to say... Lighten up folks, you will live longer ! We all have lenses we look at the world though, but were all capable of looking though our neighbors lens. Question is, will you ? The only way to truly change a person, is though example ! |
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