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keith Send message Joined: 18 Dec 10 Posts: 454 Credit: 9,054 RAC: 0 |
WHERE DID I SAY ALL MUSLIMS ???????????????? POINT IT OUT. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I was going to try to defend that point for you, but then when I re-read this: When you understand Takfir (Takfeer) and ideas such as Muslims entering into contracts with non-muslims (riba), you may get a better understanding of what this is all about. You left it a little too open by not clarifying extremist Muslims, or radical Muslims or any other modifier to indicate that it wasn't the entire Muslim community, I found it hard to defend. Was it a Freudian slip? I hope not. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Do all Muslims read the Koran? No. If they don't they aren't a Muslim. And I note you didn't say cover to cover. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
These are passages in the Koran. Do all Muslims follow them. No. Do all Muslims read the Koran? No. I wish I had led a sheltered life. Lol. The original comment you made which I replied to would have been offensive to all Muslims. Which was exactly my point. It is also not clear from your posts that your hatred of Muslims is confined to just the extremists. If I think that, then I am sure lots of innocent Muslims would also take your hatred as aimed at them. When you pick on someone's religion as a way of attacking them and offending them then you naturally run the risk of offending and being seen to attack all people who hold those religions views. This is obvious is it not? You come across as a xenophobe. If that is not your intent then you shouldn't make xenophobic comments. Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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keith Send message Joined: 18 Dec 10 Posts: 454 Credit: 9,054 RAC: 0 |
But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard. It wasn't right to take them. |
Qui-Gon Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 11 |
But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard. Are you comparing the two? The pictures out of Abu Grahib were evidence of an alleged criminal act by US personnel; these pictures, as I have already explained, serve no evidentiary purpose. I don't need to see them, you don't need to see them (even if you want to), and the people you think should see them either won't believe them or will believe them but be offended at the callousness of exposing such gore. How did you feel when you saw the slow motion beheading of an American journalist? Whether you believe the video or not, it probably made you pretty mad. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard. We're not the ones who came up with that double standard, now, are we? Not a single one of us posting on the S@H fora ... ? |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard. Good points. I wonder if, by some small chance, he meant how we saw the pictures of a slain al Zahrawi (sp?)? |
keith Send message Joined: 18 Dec 10 Posts: 454 Credit: 9,054 RAC: 0 |
But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard. I'm not sure what "evidentiary" has to do with it. It isn't a court. It's a news outlet. Do not censor information. If you don't need to see them, fine. That's you. Others want to including me. They released photos of the two other men killed in the compound today. No difference. From Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound Your concern is stirring people up. We're way past that point. The left was cheering when CNN showed our soldiers being sniped at by a terrorist. They were downright proud of getting that on TV. If you remember, they were given the tape by a terrorist and broadcast it. They had no interest in stopping it. Same with Wikileaks. I'm tired of the selectivity. The left sets the bar and then they want to change the rules mid-stream when it comes back to bite them. NO. Show the photos. I'm tired of the double standard and treating certain groups with kid gloves, but running over others. |
Qui-Gon Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 11 |
But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard. Look at a few of my posts and I think you will see that my views are hardly lean to the "left". That said, the mere fact that some want to see these pictures is not enough for me to overcome my moral objections to releasing them. I don't think snuff films or child pornography are moral either, even if some people enjoy them. It's not a double standard, it's not censorship, it is crossing the line of a moral standard by an action that has no evidentiary purpose (evidence of his death). It has been reported that the pictures of the others killed in Abbottabad were taken and released by Pakistan, not us, perhaps to embarrass us. I realize that those who might be "stirred up" by the pictures are already stirred up without them, so even if that was the purpose for their release, it is unnecessary overkill. Showing Daniel Pearl being beheaded was a disgusting spectacle; we don't need to stoop to that level by showing gory pictures of a man who is now certainly dead, again, because it serves no purpose. |
keith Send message Joined: 18 Dec 10 Posts: 454 Credit: 9,054 RAC: 0 |
Yes, we need to stoop to their level. If you think your better than them, think again. This whole thing is about survival against radical islam. We should be under no illusion that we are better than them, although we do get to have an opinion in a climate controlled stable environment with keyboard, mouse, Starbucks and the nearest mall. I only wish the Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine, and SEAL had the same option. Somehow, as they put their arse on the line in difficult conditions, I believe they don't have that option. They carry out their orders and duties. I believe psychological warfare is a vital part of the war and anything that helps military personnel demoralize the enemy, gets our servicemen and women back here more quickly. That's my goal, not revenge, believe it or not. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Yes, we need to stoop to their level. If you think your better than them, think again They offer the koolaid experience. What makes Western civilization worth saving is the freedom of the mind, now under heavy attack from the primitives … who have persisted among us. If we have not the courage to defend that faith, it won’t matter much whether we are saved or not. — Elmer Davis. |
Qui-Gon Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 11 |
Yes, we need to stoop to their level. If you think your better than them, think again. This whole thing is about survival against radical islam. So your argument boils down to: since they did it so should we. Take that road and there is nothing left of civilization or morality. We are better than "them" (the terrorists), no matter how angry you (we) are at their barbaric, evil actions. Consider this: we prosecuted the actions at Abu Grahib, while many who support Bin Laden celebrated when the twin towers were felled. We are better, and no ghoulish curiosity or impulse of revenge or childish "he did it so we can too" argument justifies stooping to their level. [Edit]: Psychological warfare consists of showing our friends and enemies that we are superior (morally and otherwise), not proving that we are just as bad. |
Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59 |
The left was cheering when CNN showed our soldiers being sniped at by a terrorist. Why do rightists feel they can just spout any manner of nonsense and still feel they have the moral high ground. Keith, this was an idiotic statement that serves no purpose beyond showing you to be a flat out liar. Nothing you say can be taken seriously from this point on if you do not admit you're way off base by posting this obvious lie. I do not fight fascists because I think I can win. I fight them because they are fascists. Chris Hedges A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr. |
keith Send message Joined: 18 Dec 10 Posts: 454 Credit: 9,054 RAC: 0 |
The left was cheering when CNN showed our soldiers being sniped at by a terrorist. The left cheered the showing and spouted off about freedom of the press. They wanted to do anything they could to force Bush to get out of Iraq. ANYTHING. When criticized: "Our responsibility is to report the news," said Laurie Goldberg, a CNN spokeswoman. "As an organization we stand by our decision and respect the rights of others to disagree with it." October 21, 2006 "Whether or not you agree with us in this case, our goal, as always, is to present the unvarnished truth as best we can," CNN producer David Doss wrote in a blog on the network's website. October 21, 2006 Go look up some of the comments by the leftists at DailyKos and DemocraticUnderground. It's all there. Go look up the comments on the link below from CNN's Anderson Cooper (and those are just the ones that were moderated). You want to talk about "moral high ground"? The left has absolutely no morals. Sorry you have such a short memory on just how ugly the left is, Robert. Like I said, ANYTHING was fair game. You set the ground rules years ago. Now live by them. http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/10/why-we-aired-sniper-video.html http://advancethestruggle.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/wheres-the-anti-war-movement/ |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
I got it. Though I'm generally smarter than the average bear In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59 |
Keith, your entire ideology seems based on a belief that the ends justify the means. Lie until you're blue in the face. What you have to say has become irrelevant to me. The people you see as leftists did not cheer as CNN showed your soldiers being sniped at. That has to be one of the most assinine staements I've ever heard. It has become quite clear to me that your present identity has become compromised, everyone can now see you as the Astroturf Blogger that you are. Time to change identities and start over. I do not fight fascists because I think I can win. I fight them because they are fascists. Chris Hedges A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr. |
Jim_S Send message Joined: 23 Feb 00 Posts: 4705 Credit: 64,560,357 RAC: 31 |
It seems to be time to "REMIND FOLKS" even in the "Politics" Thread to "Play Nice". I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.) |
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