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Message 1103372 - Posted: 4 May 2011, 22:07:04 UTC - in response to Message 1103355.

I didn't think I would live to hear that the orders Lt. William Calley says he got were actually given to an American service man and by no less than the President with the Attorney General concurring. If I believe the press it seems as is this has happened. The quote I heard was, "Unless he was naked he wasn't going to be allowed to surrender." A very sad day if it did.

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Message 1103396 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 0:51:09 UTC - in response to Message 1103291.
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Or, it's a form of psyops against radical Islam ???

I have a favorite saying also.... "Life is for the living"!

It's in my list of favorite sayings like "When all is said and done, there's nothing left to say or do."

Or, Yogi Bearisms like "When you come to a fork in the road......take it."

Seriously, these people had no problem slowly sawing people's heads off on camera. Did you see the video? I can post a link here if you'd like. Really, I can. Do you have the stomach? Would you like me to? If not, just let your opinion blow in the wind. You aren't involved in the daily twist and turns of this war, and your opinion is without full understanding. When you understand Takfir (Takfeer) and ideas such as Muslims entering into contracts with non-muslims (riba), you may get a better understanding of what this is all about.

Until you research and understand these concepts, you got a long way to go, baby. This is a psychological war as much as a physical war. I'm not worried about hate on hate on hate. I'm worried about survival.



You silly silly silly man.

You say "these people". "These people" as if all Muslims are "these people" and should be all treated as if they were nutters.

You silly silly man. Shame on you.

Unlike you it seems I actually can tell the difference between "these people" and most Muslims. For example I see no need to upset the family of my son's best friend who look after him for me, and let him sleep over and spoil him rotten. They even took him to a basketball game to see the Harlem Globe Trotters.

Why on earth would I want to sew hate amongst these people who have been nothing but kind as if they were somehow responsible for some crazy person in a distant country?

You take wild stabs at millions of people with your xenophobic comments while living in terror of your neighbours as if that is somehow a normal and sane way to behave.

Gary's right. You've drunk the Koolaid and you are just the same as the people that go around chopping off heads for their cause. The only difference is that you know in America they would punish you for it. Otherwise you'd be out there swinging your sword while singing the American National Anthem and praising Jesus.






WHERE DID I SAY ALL MUSLIMS ????????????????




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Message 1103397 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 1:01:25 UTC - in response to Message 1103396.

I was going to try to defend that point for you, but then when I re-read this:

When you understand Takfir (Takfeer) and ideas such as Muslims entering into contracts with non-muslims (riba), you may get a better understanding of what this is all about.


You left it a little too open by not clarifying extremist Muslims, or radical Muslims or any other modifier to indicate that it wasn't the entire Muslim community, I found it hard to defend. Was it a Freudian slip? I hope not.

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Message 1103403 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 1:34:39 UTC - in response to Message 1103399.

Do all Muslims read the Koran? No.

If they don't they aren't a Muslim. And I note you didn't say cover to cover.


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Message 1103456 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 4:47:59 UTC - in response to Message 1103399.

These are passages in the Koran. Do all Muslims follow them. No. Do all Muslims read the Koran? No.

But don't make the leap that I specified all Muslims.

Es99 lives a sheltered life and has little experience to back up his world view. That's OK. But I stated nothing that he could have pulled that screwed up view from.

I wish I had led a sheltered life. Lol.

The original comment you made which I replied to would have been offensive to all Muslims.

Which was exactly my point. It is also not clear from your posts that your hatred of Muslims is confined to just the extremists. If I think that, then I am sure lots of innocent Muslims would also take your hatred as aimed at them.

When you pick on someone's religion as a way of attacking them and offending them then you naturally run the risk of offending and being seen to attack all people who hold those religions views.

This is obvious is it not?

You come across as a xenophobe. If that is not your intent then you shouldn't make xenophobic comments.
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Message 1103730 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 23:09:54 UTC

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2011/May-05/Daughter-says-bin-Laden-captured-alive-then-killed-report.ashx#axzz1LWPmIOAO

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Message 1103735 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 23:19:02 UTC - in response to Message 1103731.
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But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard.

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Message 1103736 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 23:24:17 UTC - in response to Message 1103735.

But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard.

It wasn't right to take them.

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Message 1103740 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 23:47:50 UTC - in response to Message 1103735.

But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard.

Are you comparing the two? The pictures out of Abu Grahib were evidence of an alleged criminal act by US personnel; these pictures, as I have already explained, serve no evidentiary purpose. I don't need to see them, you don't need to see them (even if you want to), and the people you think should see them either won't believe them or will believe them but be offended at the callousness of exposing such gore. How did you feel when you saw the slow motion beheading of an American journalist? Whether you believe the video or not, it probably made you pretty mad.

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Message 1103746 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 0:17:26 UTC - in response to Message 1103735.

But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard.

We're not the ones who came up with that double standard, now, are we? Not a single one of us posting on the S@H fora ... ?

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Message 1103749 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 0:19:28 UTC - in response to Message 1103740.

But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard.

Are you comparing the two? The pictures out of Abu Grahib were evidence of an alleged criminal act by US personnel; these pictures, as I have already explained, serve no evidentiary purpose. I don't need to see them, you don't need to see them (even if you want to), and the people you think should see them either won't believe them or will believe them but be offended at the callousness of exposing such gore. How did you feel when you saw the slow motion beheading of an American journalist? Whether you believe the video or not, it probably made you pretty mad.

Good points.
I wonder if, by some small chance, he meant how we saw the pictures of a slain al Zahrawi (sp?)?

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Message 1103760 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 1:05:51 UTC - in response to Message 1103740.
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But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard.

Are you comparing the two? The pictures out of Abu Grahib were evidence of an alleged criminal act by US personnel; these pictures, as I have already explained, serve no evidentiary purpose. I don't need to see them, you don't need to see them (even if you want to), and the people you think should see them either won't believe them or will believe them but be offended at the callousness of exposing such gore. How did you feel when you saw the slow motion beheading of an American journalist? Whether you believe the video or not, it probably made you pretty mad.


I'm not sure what "evidentiary" has to do with it. It isn't a court. It's a news outlet. Do not censor information.

If you don't need to see them, fine. That's you. Others want to including me.
They released photos of the two other men killed in the compound today. No difference.

From Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound

Your concern is stirring people up. We're way past that point. The left was cheering when CNN showed our soldiers being sniped at by a terrorist. They were downright proud of getting that on TV. If you remember, they were given the tape by a terrorist and broadcast it. They had no interest in stopping it. Same with Wikileaks.

I'm tired of the selectivity. The left sets the bar and then they want to change the rules mid-stream when it comes back to bite them. NO. Show the photos. I'm tired of the double standard and treating certain groups with kid gloves, but running over others.

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Message 1103769 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 1:39:09 UTC - in response to Message 1103760.
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But it was OK when the Abu Ghraib pictures were released, right? Really tired of the double standard.

Are you comparing the two? The pictures out of Abu Grahib were evidence of an alleged criminal act by US personnel; these pictures, as I have already explained, serve no evidentiary purpose. I don't need to see them, you don't need to see them (even if you want to), and the people you think should see them either won't believe them or will believe them but be offended at the callousness of exposing such gore. How did you feel when you saw the slow motion beheading of an American journalist? Whether you believe the video or not, it probably made you pretty mad.


I'm not sure what "evidentiary" has to do with it. It isn't a court. It's a news outlet. Do not censor information.

If you don't need to see them, fine. That's you. Others want to including me.
They released photos of the two other men killed in the compound today. No difference.

From Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound

Your concern is stirring people up. We're way past that point. The left was cheering when CNN showed our soldiers being sniped at by a terrorist. They were downright proud of getting that on TV. If you remember, they were given the tape by a terrorist and broadcast it. They had no interest in stopping it. Same with Wikileaks.

I'm tired of the selectivity. The left sets the bar and then they want to change the rules mid-stream when it comes back to bite them. NO. Show the photos. I'm tired of the double standard and treating certain groups with kid gloves, but running over others.

Look at a few of my posts and I think you will see that my views are hardly lean to the "left". That said, the mere fact that some want to see these pictures is not enough for me to overcome my moral objections to releasing them. I don't think snuff films or child pornography are moral either, even if some people enjoy them. It's not a double standard, it's not censorship, it is crossing the line of a moral standard by an action that has no evidentiary purpose (evidence of his death). It has been reported that the pictures of the others killed in Abbottabad were taken and released by Pakistan, not us, perhaps to embarrass us.

I realize that those who might be "stirred up" by the pictures are already stirred up without them, so even if that was the purpose for their release, it is unnecessary overkill. Showing Daniel Pearl being beheaded was a disgusting spectacle; we don't need to stoop to that level by showing gory pictures of a man who is now certainly dead, again, because it serves no purpose.

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Message 1103774 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 2:11:44 UTC - in response to Message 1103769.

Yes, we need to stoop to their level. If you think your better than them, think again. This whole thing is about survival against radical islam.

We should be under no illusion that we are better than them, although we do get to have an opinion in a climate controlled stable environment with keyboard, mouse, Starbucks and the nearest mall.

I only wish the Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine, and SEAL had the same option. Somehow, as they put their arse on the line in difficult conditions, I believe they don't have that option. They carry out their orders and duties.

I believe psychological warfare is a vital part of the war and anything that helps military personnel demoralize the enemy, gets our servicemen and women back here more quickly. That's my goal, not revenge, believe it or not.

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Message 1103777 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 2:26:44 UTC - in response to Message 1103774.

Yes, we need to stoop to their level. If you think your better than them, think again

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Message 1103781 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 2:42:05 UTC - in response to Message 1103774.
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Yes, we need to stoop to their level. If you think your better than them, think again. This whole thing is about survival against radical islam.

We should be under no illusion that we are better than them, although we do get to have an opinion in a climate controlled stable environment with keyboard, mouse, Starbucks and the nearest mall.

I only wish the Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine, and SEAL had the same option. Somehow, as they put their arse on the line in difficult conditions, I believe they don't have that option. They carry out their orders and duties.

I believe psychological warfare is a vital part of the war and anything that helps military personnel demoralize the enemy, gets our servicemen and women back here more quickly. That's my goal, not revenge, believe it or not.

So your argument boils down to: since they did it so should we. Take that road and there is nothing left of civilization or morality. We are better than "them" (the terrorists), no matter how angry you (we) are at their barbaric, evil actions. Consider this: we prosecuted the actions at Abu Grahib, while many who support Bin Laden celebrated when the twin towers were felled. We are better, and no ghoulish curiosity or impulse of revenge or childish "he did it so we can too" argument justifies stooping to their level.

[Edit]: Psychological warfare consists of showing our friends and enemies that we are superior (morally and otherwise), not proving that we are just as bad.

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Message 1103785 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 3:26:36 UTC - in response to Message 1103760.
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The left was cheering when CNN showed our soldiers being sniped at by a terrorist.


Why do rightists feel they can just spout any manner of nonsense and still feel they have the moral high ground.
Keith, this was an idiotic statement that serves no purpose beyond showing you to be a flat out liar.
Nothing you say can be taken seriously from this point on if you do not admit you're way off base by posting this obvious lie.
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Message 1103834 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 10:19:22 UTC - in response to Message 1103785.
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The left was cheering when CNN showed our soldiers being sniped at by a terrorist.


Why do rightists feel they can just spout any manner of nonsense and still feel they have the moral high ground.
Keith, this was an idiotic statement that serves no purpose beyond showing you to be a flat out liar.
Nothing you say can be taken seriously from this point on if you do not admit you're way off base by posting this obvious lie.


The left cheered the showing and spouted off about freedom of the press. They wanted to do anything they could to force Bush to get out of Iraq. ANYTHING.

When criticized:

"Our responsibility is to report the news," said Laurie Goldberg, a CNN spokeswoman. "As an organization we stand by our decision and respect the rights of others to disagree with it." October 21, 2006

"Whether or not you agree with us in this case, our goal, as always, is to present the unvarnished truth as best we can," CNN producer David Doss wrote in a blog on the network's website. October 21, 2006

Go look up some of the comments by the leftists at DailyKos and DemocraticUnderground. It's all there. Go look up the comments on the link below from CNN's Anderson Cooper (and those are just the ones that were moderated). You want to talk about "moral high ground"? The left has absolutely no morals.

Sorry you have such a short memory on just how ugly the left is, Robert. Like I said, ANYTHING was fair game. You set the ground rules years ago. Now live by them.


http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/10/why-we-aired-sniper-video.html


http://advancethestruggle.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/wheres-the-anti-war-movement/

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Message 1103896 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 15:23:05 UTC - in response to Message 1103875.

I got it. Though I'm generally smarter than the average bear
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Message 1103932 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 18:14:13 UTC

Keith, your entire ideology seems based on a belief that the ends justify the means.
Lie until you're blue in the face.
What you have to say has become irrelevant to me.

The people you see as leftists did not cheer as CNN showed your soldiers being sniped at.
That has to be one of the most assinine staements I've ever heard.

It has become quite clear to me that your present identity has become compromised, everyone can now see you as the Astroturf Blogger that you are.
Time to change identities and start over.
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