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Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59 |
If someone truly believes prayer does work, why do they still go to a surgeon? If prayer really works, why are there people living under a bridge or in a cardboard box? Why do we build hospitals? Why the hell do we need an army? We could have just prayed for victory in WWII. I do not fight fascists because I think I can win. I fight them because they are fascists. Chris Hedges A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr. |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Why make light of others' beliefs Robert? |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
If someone truly believes prayer does work, why do they still go to a surgeon? Sorry.......please PM me....... I did not want to make agnostics angry. I would have prayed that JFK had not been killed, or that at very least, the truth would have been unveiled by now. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
perryjay Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3377 Credit: 20,676,751 RAC: 0 |
Maybe getting the right Surgeon is the answer to the prayer. PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Last call. I shall keep all your prayers and thoughts close to my heart tonight. You are always so close anyways. May God bless and keep you.... Good 'un, my babies. I love you all.......meow. Just, meow. Goodnight. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Why make light of others' beliefs Robert? Why can't he question what he doesn't understand, and phrase that question in a way that states his level of understanding? Personally, I agree with the questions he's asking, but I already know the answers that believers give, which are not good enough for me so I don't bother asking anymore. |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
Why make light of others' beliefs Robert? Because Robert's questions are instead reflections of dogmatic beliefs he already holds. He's bought into the anti-religion propaganda, hook, line, and sinker. I, on the other hand, am a thinking agnostic. |
keith Send message Joined: 18 Dec 10 Posts: 454 Credit: 9,054 RAC: 0 |
What if the surgeon himself prayed before surgery? Would you look down on him? Robert, I'm not religious at all, but I don't dump on people who are. It's up to them. I will say this though. Religion and prayer brings people together for a common cause or unity. Same with a moment of silence in school or reciting the pledge of allegiance in the AM. The left has worked tirelessly to kill that unity in this country. So, when you get on your soap box about a common cause or unity for an agenda like "environmentalism", you've only shot yourself in the foot. You can't turn that unity on and off at will, just because a cause comes along that is important to you. I understand why you don't like prayer. Because the religious tend to vote one way more than the other. But when it comes down to it, don't you pray also, Robert, to "The State"? Give it some thought. |
Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59 |
Whatever happens is supposed to be god's will. Doesn't anyone question why god is going to change his mind because someone prays? Isn't god supposed to know all things that are going to happen from the dawn of time? Why is this supreme being going to change his plans for the unfolding of the universe because someone wants a different outcome? I have no use for religion at all. Am I not permitted this opinion? There are people in here who feel free to espouse their pro-religious views. I kept it out of the thread I wanted to post it in to avoid confrontation. I do not fight fascists because I think I can win. I fight them because they are fascists. Chris Hedges A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
These questions about GOD are questions Children ask. When an Adult asks them, they are asked to stir up a confrontation. It's like asking Why would anyone be a Democrat/Liberal? There is no answer, so why ask? iWorm 'em. |
john3760 Send message Joined: 9 Feb 11 Posts: 334 Credit: 3,400,979 RAC: 0 |
Whatever happens is supposed to be god's will. you put your views in it's own thread, so when people come on to this message board it's there in capital letters on the front page if you had put it in the thread where you (didn't want to cause confrontation) possibly less people would have read it. people read these message boards so you know people like murf and mark are going to read your message even if it is not in their thread.i not only don't believe in god i hate religion in all it's forms. but i don't hate anybody if they want to believe in god or religion it is their own personal belief. everybody is allowed to voice their opinion it is called free speech. the difference between mark and murfs free speech and yours is that they caused no offence to anybody (if you believe in prayer and want to help then pray for them.if not don't reply they are not asking for you to change your beliefs and pray for them).you dont believe.(just like me) but i don't for one minute begrudge them their beliefs or their want of comfort in any way they want in their times of need. your free speech was in no way constructive and did cause offence even to me a non believer.if you really didn't wan't to cause offence then why post anything at all. i know mark had a bad day yesterday and now he isn't here i think your thread tipped him a bit. john3760 |
Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59 |
I'm getting angrier by the day with the followers of the Skyman. One of the factors in my anger is playing out right here. Why do I have to show sensitivity toward pre-medieval thinking and beliefs? If I stated my disregard for the Myan gods, would anyone give it a second thought? While people like me are asked to hold our views to ourselves, the followers of the Skyman are forming massive voting blocks to control our political lives. They have filled my Canadian government with rapture kooks and speaking in tongue types who seem to get away with many offenses against humanity because they claim a higher morality. Racists and corporatists hiding under the name of the Skyman are destroying what is left of our position in this world by making Canada join in on what will soon be seen as resource wars. My suggestion to the followers of primative belief systems is to stay out of this thread so your shallow beliefs won't be damaged or hurt. I wanted to spout off and I have done so. I do not fight fascists because I think I can win. I fight them because they are fascists. Chris Hedges A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr. |
SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6651 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
This is interesting. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-do-americans-still-dislike-atheists/2011/02/18/AFqgnwGF_story.html Steve Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
keith Send message Joined: 18 Dec 10 Posts: 454 Credit: 9,054 RAC: 0 |
"the followers of the Skyman are forming massive voting blocks to control our political lives." Maybe they feel the same about the latest religion.... global warming. |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
I don't believe in GOD. I don't believe in The GOP/T or the Dem/Libs either. I agree and disagree with Ayn Rand. If any Group seems to be trying To Control, it is The Dem/Libs more so than The GOP/T. Dem/Libs seem way more fananical than Anyone who Believes in GOD. Listen to MSNBC during the Evening/Night when they let The Anti-GOP/T anchors take over. So, I am not one who is Hurt. I do think your rant & raving RW is More Scary than anything you spout off about. I would Trust a Religious Zealot before I would trust someone who continually rants & raves about The WORLD IS ENDING from RESOURCE WARS because of GOD followers. iWorm 'em. |
Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59 |
It would seem my posts have an overly strong effect on you DW. While I may have expressed my disbelief once or twice over the past few years, this is the first time I set out to clearly state my position. If you think that indicates a continual rant and rave, I will take a moment to ask you to reassess your thinking. I do not fight fascists because I think I can win. I fight them because they are fascists. Chris Hedges A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
its best to ignore him. His view is mostly generated to irritate others by being completely contrary In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
tbret Send message Joined: 28 May 99 Posts: 3380 Credit: 296,162,071 RAC: 40 |
If someone truly believes prayer does work, why do they still go to a surgeon? For the same reason someone who believes our health care industry in the United States sucks goes to a surgeon. Because they need a surgeon. The idea that prayer can fill your belly, clothe you, house you, cure your diseases, and fight your wars is something only a godless person could believe those who pray believe about prayer. By the way -- I'm quite sure that a lot of people did pray for victory in WWII. I suppose that proves that prayer does work --- at least to the degree that your examples would illustrate that it doesn't. If you are saying that prayer, without physical human action, should have defeated the Japanese, then I think I see your problem; you confuse prayer with telekinesis. Prayer is "speaking to God" whereas the result you seem to require of prayer is that humans become gods, or that God responds immediately, positively, and in their favor every time a petitioner asks for something. See God. See God jump through Robert's hoop. Good little God. Here's a plate of ambrosia. Sit God. Beg God. Good God. What sort of god would that be? An obedient one. Like a genie! What you don't believe in are genies. |
nemesis Send message Joined: 12 Oct 99 Posts: 1408 Credit: 35,074,350 RAC: 0 |
the first ammendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." various Supreme Court rulings have held that the first ammendment doesn't rule out religion, it also holds "freedom from religion". which i think applies to Roberts reasoning. "...or abridging the freedom of speech,..." also supports Robert in his right to say what he thinks without persecution. |
Dirk Villarreal Wittich Send message Joined: 25 Apr 00 Posts: 2098 Credit: 434,834 RAC: 0 |
A Spanish expression says: "A Dios rogando y con el mazo dando" which could be translated as "Pray to God and at the same time hit the hammer/take actions--->Oración paracaidista This is a prayer in use for Spanish paratroopers, where I served and therefore I know quite well. Never since I used it again. My € 2 cents! |
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