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Message 1101611 - Posted: 29 Apr 2011, 5:57:04 UTC - in response to Message 1101605.
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The Einstein@home data is of a different type than we require. Rather than raw receiver voltage measurements, they do their processing on low frequency-resolution power spectra. That is good for a pulsar search, but wouldn't work for a narrow band signal search. The data they use was recorded for a standard pulsar search, but they are using it to search for pulsars with accelerations due to tight orbits. It's a very good use of the data.

BTW, we're on very good terms with Bruce Allen and Jim Cordes, so if we had a use for that data, I have no doubt they'd give it to us. In fact, we're sharing the SERENDIP V.v data with Jim and his grad student Laura Spitler. We're both sharing code and developing our own, just to make sure we don't miss anything.
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Message 1101717 - Posted: 29 Apr 2011, 15:10:27 UTC
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Hint...

http://www.csiro.au/org/CASS.html (rarified atmospherics)
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http://www.atnf.csiro.au/management/ (grass roots)

Utilise the Australian National University and the University of New South Wales.

The politics of science..."Why is it so?"

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Message 1101830 - Posted: 29 Apr 2011, 21:06:15 UTC - in response to Message 1101364.

A good point and a very relevant one...the analysis resources could be pooled, which would keep us 'crunchers' very happy and, of course, the now 'sleeping' ATA would get the analysis done for an incredibly small cost. Oh, Angela, when does "lurking", become stalking? lol




This is a great idea. I don't know if the Seti Institute would be interested in this, but if so then we could always use more WU's.
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Message 1101915 - Posted: 30 Apr 2011, 1:42:41 UTC

It does not look like from this interview with Jill Tarter:
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Message 1102687 - Posted: 2 May 2011, 8:38:55 UTC - in response to Message 1101915.

I bucked up for the individual Team SETI membership after hearing about this. It's a small donation, but every bit helps I suppose.

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Message 1102929 - Posted: 3 May 2011, 3:13:42 UTC - in response to Message 1102687.

I bucked up for the individual Team SETI membership after hearing about this. It's a small donation, but every bit helps I suppose.


After reading the NPR comment I hit up SETI@H too. (shivers)

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Message 1103021 - Posted: 3 May 2011, 13:58:14 UTC - in response to Message 1102929.

Thanks! We do appreciate all donations.
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Message 1103513 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 12:12:06 UTC

As Dr Eric Korpela will already be aware, I managed to get a letter printed in todays UK Daily Mail (May 5) reminding people that whilst it is true that the Allen Telescope Array is being mothballed, Seti@Home is continuing the search with data from the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico.

Every little helps ;-)



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Message 1103589 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 14:54:13 UTC - in response to Message 1101057.
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The Green Bank data is sure to happen...


Excellent. I'd been wondering whether this was still ongoing as hadn't seen any updates since the original notification from Dec. 2010.

I guess there's no timeframe yet, but it's good to know it's still planned.

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Message 1103603 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 15:42:20 UTC - in response to Message 1103513.

Awesome! Thanks!

As Dr Eric Korpela will already be aware, I managed to get a letter printed in todays UK Daily Mail (May 5) reminding people that whilst it is true that the Allen Telescope Array is being mothballed, Seti@Home is continuing the search with data from the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico.

Every little helps ;-)





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Message 1103608 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 15:51:13 UTC - in response to Message 1103589.

The Green Bank data is sure to happen...

I guess there's no timeframe yet, but it's good to know it's still planned.


Andrew Siemion with help from early AstroPulse author Paul Demorest (now at NRAO Green Bank) just finished the software modification necessary for the GUPPI instrument there to write 4 bit/complex sample data at 800 MHz. Data collection will start very soon. As soon as we enter some info into the scheduling software. We're excited!

Now it's time to get started on writing a splitter to put that data in something that S@H can handle and run some tests to find what, if any, changes to the S@H application are needed. I'm pointing my finger at Andrew, but thinking that I'll have to do a lot of the header fixup code.
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Message 1103631 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 17:05:10 UTC - in response to Message 1103513.

As Dr Eric Korpela will already be aware, I managed to get a letter printed in todays UK Daily Mail (May 5) reminding people that whilst it is true that the Allen Telescope Array is being mothballed, Seti@Home is continuing the search with data from the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico.

Every little helps ;-)






Indeed so, Chris. I saw your letter in todays Mail, which made a pleasant change from the usual rants one sees in the paper!




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Message 1103634 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 17:13:21 UTC

Thanks Iona. Yep, the Mail is what it is, but I'm pleased that they acceded to my request to put the record straight :-))

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Message 1103637 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 17:22:41 UTC - in response to Message 1103513.

Well done, Chris. As a fellow participant, I thank you.

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Message 1103738 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 23:34:56 UTC - in response to Message 1103608.
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run some tests to find what, if any, changes to the S@H application are needed.


If changes are needed, would they likely be included in v7, or is this further down the road?

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Message 1103739 - Posted: 5 May 2011, 23:46:35 UTC - in response to Message 1103738.

Most likely it would be either a "7.5" or we would add it as a separate app if it to difficult to have a unified application.
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Message 1103775 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 2:12:59 UTC - in response to Message 1103739.
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Good news.

1) Take all the notes you been putting in the thread and make a future directions page out of them

2) I'd think the major changes might be on the science database side of the house. I just suppose ET might transmit on the 1.4GHz band on evan years and the 800 MHz band on odd years. Marrying the data is a requirement and think about any future possible data sources when you do that, so it only has to be done once.

3) If there are big changes needed to the crunch side, also think about possible future data streams.
[edit]Even if that data source is say an optical search
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Message 1103913 - Posted: 6 May 2011, 16:53:06 UTC - in response to Message 1103608.

Andrew Siemion with help from early AstroPulse author Paul Demorest (now at NRAO Green Bank) just finished the software modification necessary for the GUPPI instrument there to write 4 bit/complex sample data at 800 MHz. Data collection will start very soon. As soon as we enter some info into the scheduling software. We're excited!

Now it's time to get started on writing a splitter to put that data in something that S@H can handle and run some tests to find what, if any, changes to the S@H application are needed. I'm pointing my finger at Andrew, but thinking that I'll have to do a lot of the header fixup code.


Also excited! Thanks for the detailed reply! Guess I'll be putting that next cruncherbox together for it. :^)

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Message 1113674 - Posted: 6 Jun 2011, 0:47:09 UTC

I'm sure after everyone gets to work tomorrow they might read the thread I started in Cafe SETI on Tax Deductable Donations, as regards United Kingdom Gift Aid Declarations, which includes Gift Aid paid to Overseas Charitable Organisations.

It seems quite a few threads always appear to come down to funding, either for a new server, network hardware, or undertaking science, although some people like beer.

I have no idea how much is donated from the UK to SETI@home on an annual basis, but getting an extra 25% on top of that figure, for merely undertaking a paperwork exercise would appear to generate the funding everyone desires. Not only that, claims for previous years of UK Donations are also entertained by the UK Inland Revenue.

I believe that BOINC and every project currently running under BOINC, if they are a charity in their own right, and have received donations from UK Tax Payers, are all eligible for Gift Aid.

Having been involved with a local Scout Group, we've successfully applied for previous years and received payments.

The only drawback might be having to send out Gift Aid Declaration Forms to every UK SETI@home volunteer on an annual basis, and then having them returned, and finally submitted to the UK Inland Revenue, but perhaps that isn't such a difficult task done electronically?

For more information, read the Tax Deductable? thread on Cafe SETI, since links are provided.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64386

Hope that helps.

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