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Message 1100976 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 7:14:25 UTC

Ayn Rand paid more in Taxes than all of The Posters here combined-for all of their lives up to now.

So I would say Ayn Rand contributed Mightily to "The" "Commons", and for that, YES, SHE WAS NUTS.

So deride her all you want. Her name and "Contributions" will Live On for a Long, Long, Long time.

Even your descendents "contributing" their little bit to "The" "Commons" will never add up to her Contribution.

iWorm 'em.

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Message 1100988 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 8:45:58 UTC

It seems cash makes up for a myriad of shortcomings in your world.
The wealthy can be flawed to the point of being mentally disturbed, but their cash makes it all good again.
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Message 1100990 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 9:25:02 UTC

Since Most Charitable Organisations want Cash as The Donation of Choice for Them to do Their Good Works for The Comman Man in The Commens of The World, I suspect They Believe Donating Cash is a Mental Disturbance they wish to foster and wish for such a Defect to continue for All Times.

So, unless you would like All Charities To Cease to do Their Good Works for The Comman People of The Commens of The World, I think support for The Good of Cash be something you are fervently for.

I think Your Sanity will be Preserved. And if Donating Cash makes people Nuts/Mentally Disturbed, well, Crazy it will be, for Crazy we will stay.

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Message 1101041 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 16:03:25 UTC - in response to Message 1099476.


You'll get no argument from Me Robert, I read up on Her, Russian emigrant who escaped communism, Who went over board and didn't understand the free world or capitalism and just says Government is bad, Government must be abolished and some would follow that Nut down the path to ruin...




In short a Female Adolf Hitler almost...


You sure do 'Godwin' a number of threads, VW Bobier. Any reason you tend to compare anything/anyone you don't like with Nazis? Care to explain?

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Message 1101048 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 16:20:54 UTC - in response to Message 1101041.


You'll get no argument from Me Robert, I read up on Her, Russian emigrant who escaped communism, Who went over board and didn't understand the free world or capitalism and just says Government is bad, Government must be abolished and some would follow that Nut down the path to ruin...




In short a Female Adolf Hitler almost...


You sure do 'Godwin' a number of threads, VW Bobier. Any reason you tend to compare anything/anyone you don't like with Nazis? Care to explain?

No I don't have to explain anything, Nor can You make Me.
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Message 1101053 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 16:28:40 UTC - in response to Message 1101048.

I would think her all or nothing attitude would put her in that class.
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Message 1101059 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 16:45:01 UTC - in response to Message 1100858.

People who have never developed past that stage of infancy, where everything is about themselves, are the only followers of this woman.

Why, 'cuz you sez so? How do you know that? You haven't read anything she has written.

Her writings put the meat on the bones of a lifestyle that is shallow, self concerned and ignorant of the commons. Anyone attempting to live this way at any time in human history, other than the present, would have been banished from the community. Contribute to the society you are a part of or be gone. There is no room for the frivolous.

Heh. I think she did contribute, enormously. Millions of people have enjoyed her works, she paid ungodly amounts of taxes. Those are two huge contributions to society.

The foolishness of thinking one can survive as an island shows an absolute break with reality. I'm sure that over the course of time, there have been many who went off to attempt to fulfill this desire but they seem to have not passed on their genes. That means they died alone in the wilderness.

How would you know? Besides, she didn't believe, nor does even a cursory reading of her works suggest, that anyone should live as an island. One of her main protagonists runs a railroad--and Dagny completely understands that she needs steel to do that. As did Rand.

Rand wasn't a prophet or a philosopher. She was a selfish, shallow and foolish woman with poor judgment when it came to the realities of life.
The only reason her works survive is the need of the super self concerned to have external justifications for their own greed and lack of personal development.

She was just a woman with a philosophy that follows simply economics and human nature--and if you didn't like it, she couldn't have cared less.

Her works survive because they mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people--your opinion about their personal development is meaningless because you have no way of knowing anything about their personal development.
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Message 1101060 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 16:56:17 UTC - in response to Message 1100912.

Well, sort of, if the following:

"[fictional character Renahan modelled on real world Hickman] is born with a wonderful, free, light consciousness -- [resulting from] the absolute lack of social instinct or herd feeling. He does not understand, because he has no organ for understanding, the necessity, meaning, or importance of other people ... Other people do not exist for him and he does not understand why they should." (Journals, pp. 27, 21-22; emphasis hers.)

does accurately sum up her opinion of William Edward Hickman, then I don't think a likening to Thomas Harris is appropriate (unless he has made similarly admiring statements about a real world sociopath). Nor do I think it's without any real relevance, for it possibly talks to the kind of individualism she found admirable, which appears from the above to be a complete lack of understanding of the importance of others.

What she also said is "[My hero is] very far from him, of course. The outside of Hickman, but not the inside. Much deeper and much more. A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me." As you noted, she was working on a character for a book.

I have no idea what Thomas Harris did to create his character--but you can almost certainly guarantee that Lecter is an amalgam of serial killers. Harris just made him smarter and worse than all the rest put together. Made him charismatic and acceptable. That suggest similar feelings in Harris, though I don't know, his private journals haven't been made public.

But once again, we are discussing the person, and not the ideas. Her number one maxim was that one does NOT have the right to initiate force against others. That, by definition, would include serial killers.
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Message 1101324 - Posted: 28 Apr 2011, 9:36:26 UTC

Good Lord above - RUSH !!! Where the devil have you been young man?

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Message 1101445 - Posted: 28 Apr 2011, 19:13:04 UTC - in response to Message 1100976.

Ayn Rand paid more in Taxes than all of The Posters here combined-for all of their lives up to now.


I'm sorry but where's your factual backup for this? Please post exact tax numbers paid. Thx
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Message 1101449 - Posted: 28 Apr 2011, 19:35:50 UTC - in response to Message 1101324.

Good Lord above - RUSH !!! Where the devil have you been young man?

Hey Chris!

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