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Message 1099471 - Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 17:54:16 UTC

This woman's name has come up in here before as a shining light for the rightists.
I have not read her junk, nor am I inclined to ever do so.

I find it interesting that the rightists would use this seriously flawed person as their flag bearer.
Her judgment and attitudes toward humanity seem to be in need of a second look by those so inspired by her fumbling scratches refered to as writing.

Here's a couple of examples of why the rightists need to take another kook as their inspiration...

http://southpawbeagle.com/2011/04/20/ayn-rand/

http://www.michaelprescott.net/hickman.htm

This was one seriously troubled mind. If she was capable of such a majestic lapse of reason in her admiration of this psycho killer, what else could this nutbar have been wrong about?


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Message 1099476 - Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 18:36:15 UTC - in response to Message 1099471.
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This woman's name has come up in here before as a shining light for the rightists.
I have not read her junk, nor am I inclined to ever do so.

I find it interesting that the rightists would use this seriously flawed person as their flag bearer.
Her judgment and attitudes toward humanity seem to be in need of a second look by those so inspired by her fumbling scratches refered to as writing.

Here's a couple of examples of why the rightists need to take another kook as their inspiration...

http://southpawbeagle.com/2011/04/20/ayn-rand/

http://www.michaelprescott.net/hickman.htm

This was one seriously troubled mind. If she was capable of such a majestic lapse of reason in her admiration of this psycho killer, what else could this nutbar have been wrong about?

You'll get no argument from Me Robert, I read up on Her, Russian emigrant who escaped communism, Who went over board and didn't understand the free world or capitalism and just says Government is bad, Government must be abolished and some would follow that Nut down the path to ruin...




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Message 1099478 - Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 18:54:35 UTC - in response to Message 1099476.

Rand's problem is that she lived at one extreme of society in the USSR. when she got out she embraced the complete opposite. SHe was unable to see anything in the middle. Her writing is Black and white, no gray. sadly She went from living in a communist communal state to one that embraced greed and selfishness


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Message 1099484 - Posted: 21 Apr 2011, 19:10:30 UTC - in response to Message 1099478.

Rand's problem is that she lived at one extreme of society in the USSR. when she got out she embraced the complete opposite. SHe was unable to see anything in the middle. Her writing is Black and white, no gray. sadly She went from living in a communist communal state to one that embraced greed and selfishness

Yeah, That's sad too, What a waste, She should have been not allowed in, Due to Her problems...
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Message 1099545 - Posted: 22 Apr 2011, 1:43:27 UTC

Ayn Rand is A Goddess. Charles Sheen has two Goddesses and Sheen is My God.

I am so glad In This World, there are People who do not See, Eye To Eye.

You Cannot Stand My World and I Can Not Stand Yours.

No Biggie. My Next Door Neighbors and I Do Not Either See Eye to Eye.

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Message 1099628 - Posted: 22 Apr 2011, 12:19:33 UTC - in response to Message 1099545.

Ayn Rand is A Goddess. Charles Sheen has two Goddesses and Sheen is My God.

I am so glad In This World, there are People who do not See, Eye To Eye.

You Cannot Stand My World and I Can Not Stand Yours.

No Biggie. My Next Door Neighbors and I Do Not Either See Eye to Eye.

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Yes yes you said the opposite of everyone else. WTG
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Message 1099677 - Posted: 22 Apr 2011, 16:09:33 UTC

Thanks for the morning chuckle Skildude


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Message 1099705 - Posted: 22 Apr 2011, 17:25:37 UTC - in response to Message 1099628.

Ayn Rand is A Goddess. Charles Sheen has two Goddesses and Sheen is My God.

I am so glad In This World, there are People who do not See, Eye To Eye.

You Cannot Stand My World and I Can Not Stand Yours.

No Biggie. My Next Door Neighbors and I Do Not Either See Eye to Eye.

Makes for Good Neighbors.

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Message 1099717 - Posted: 22 Apr 2011, 17:41:04 UTC

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Message 1099730 - Posted: 22 Apr 2011, 17:53:44 UTC - in response to Message 1099476.

This woman's name has come up in here before as a shining light for the rightists.
I have not read her junk, nor am I inclined to ever do so.

I find it interesting that the rightists would use this seriously flawed person as their flag bearer.
Her judgment and attitudes toward humanity seem to be in need of a second look by those so inspired by her fumbling scratches refered to as writing.

Here's a couple of examples of why the rightists need to take another kook as their inspiration...

http://southpawbeagle.com/2011/04/20/ayn-rand/

http://www.michaelprescott.net/hickman.htm

This was one seriously troubled mind. If she was capable of such a majestic lapse of reason in her admiration of this psycho killer, what else could this nutbar have been wrong about?

You'll get no argument from Me Robert, I read up on Her, Russian emigrant who escaped communism, Who went over board and didn't understand the free world or capitalism and just says Government is bad, Government must be abolished and some would follow that Nut down the path to ruin...




In short a Female Adolf Hitler almost...

And yet so much of current American fiscal policy is derived from her work. Scary huh?
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Message 1100153 - Posted: 24 Apr 2011, 1:51:34 UTC - in response to Message 1099730.
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And yet so much of current American fiscal policy is derived from her work. Scary huh?

Meh. That's silly. None of the American gov't's fiscal policy is derived from her work. Not one bit of it. She would have denounced it all. She wouldn't even agree that there should be any "policy" at all.

She wouldn't agree with any of it because she believed that there should be no such thing as gov't fiscal policy.
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Message 1100154 - Posted: 24 Apr 2011, 1:53:03 UTC - in response to Message 1099471.

This woman's name has come up in here before as a shining light for the rightists.
I have not read her junk, nor am I inclined to ever do so.

Heh. You've never read it, eh? Ever wonder if that adds to your credibility on the topic, or detracts from it?

'Nuff said.

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Message 1100176 - Posted: 24 Apr 2011, 4:02:26 UTC

Knowing that she thought of the masses as lice and parasites is enough for me to form an opinion.
You can cling to your illusions of hightened levels of awareness if you wish, this woman was a complete whack-job and only spoke for those who's sense of entitlement is out of proportion with their contribution to society.

http://www.theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=31895&sid=396d465d26ec302d70c87fe9f6aaf815


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Message 1100183 - Posted: 24 Apr 2011, 5:16:52 UTC - in response to Message 1100153.

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She wouldn't agree with any of it because she believed that there should be no such thing as gov't fiscal policy.

Exactly.
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Message 1100265 - Posted: 24 Apr 2011, 17:48:19 UTC - in response to Message 1100176.

Knowing that she thought of the masses as lice and parasites is enough for me to form an opinion.

Actually, since you haven't read anything she wrote, all you can really do is form an opinion about other people's opinion of her.

More accurately, she thought of lice and parasites as lice and parasites. Which, I think, is what most rational people do.

You can cling to your illusions of hightened levels of awareness if you wish, this woman was a complete whack-job and only spoke for those who's sense of entitlement is out of proportion with their contribution to society.

Nope, she wasn't, she was just an author and philosopher. She liked to engage in polemic. There are plenty of serial killers in fiction, Hannibal Lecter comes instantly to mind. Does that mean Thomas Harris is a whack-job? What about the millions that love Hannibal Lecter and root for him?

Not, of course, that any of that matters, they're just ad hominem attacks without any real relevance.
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Message 1100267 - Posted: 24 Apr 2011, 17:52:36 UTC - in response to Message 1100183.

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She wouldn't agree with any of it because she believed that there should be no such thing as gov't fiscal policy.

Exactly.

"Exactly," what?

You said "And yet so much of current American fiscal policy is derived from her work."

If she thought there should be no such thing as gov't fiscal policy, none whatsoever, how could said fiscal policy be derived from her work?
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Message 1100767 - Posted: 26 Apr 2011, 5:32:52 UTC

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Message 1100858 - Posted: 26 Apr 2011, 16:07:24 UTC

People who have never developed past that stage of infancy, where everything is about themselves, are the only followers of this woman.
Her writings put the meat on the bones of a lifestyle that is shallow, self concerned and ignorant of the commons. Anyone attempting to live this way at any time in human history, other than the present, would have been banished from the community.
Contribute to the society you are a part of or be gone. There is no room for the frivolous.

The foolishness of thinking one can survive as an island shows an absolute break with reality. I'm sure that over the course of time, there have been many who went off to attempt to fulfill this desire but they seem to have not passed on their genes. That means they died alone in the wilderness.

Rand wasn't a prophet or a philosopher. She was a selfish, shallow and foolish woman with poor judgment when it came to the realities of life.
The only reason her works survive is the need of the super self concerned to have external justifications for their own greed and lack of personal development.


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Message 1100912 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 1:27:26 UTC - in response to Message 1100265.
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Nope, she wasn't, she was just an author and philosopher. She liked to engage in polemic. There are plenty of serial killers in fiction, Hannibal Lecter comes instantly to mind. Does that mean Thomas Harris is a whack-job? What about the millions that love Hannibal Lecter and root for him?

Not, of course, that any of that matters, they're just ad hominem attacks without any real relevance.


Well, sort of, if the following:

"[fictional character Renahan modelled on real world Hickman] is born with a wonderful, free, light consciousness -- [resulting from] the absolute lack of social instinct or herd feeling. He does not understand, because he has no organ for understanding, the necessity, meaning, or importance of other people ... Other people do not exist for him and he does not understand why they should." (Journals, pp. 27, 21-22; emphasis hers.)

does accurately sum up her opinion of William Edward Hickman, then I don't think a likening to Thomas Harris is appropriate (unless he has made similarly admiring statements about a real world sociopath). Nor do I think it's without any real relevance, for it possibly talks to the kind of individualism she found admirable, which appears from the above to be a complete lack of understanding of the importance of others.
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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