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Message 1115946 - Posted: 11 Jun 2011, 16:43:54 UTC - in response to Message 1115707.

No sir, I give them credit with the notion that they will at least make the attempt. And, they will retry if even partially successful...always firing away until they find the perfect combination. Remember, the primary goal of any state is to do one thing...perpetuate itself, by whatever means they deem necessary. Also consider "in the national interest" always supercedes yours, mine or ours. The State would like you to believe their motives are altruistic but in actuality, the individual isn't even a blip on the radar screen...but, highly expendable.

Chris S: dripfeed...well put. Nice and easy, gentle, or hard and fast, brutal. For myself, I prefer to be lied to in increments...makes me feel I'm still in control...and, if I'm lied to gently and long enough I'll start believing it. These people are always thinking in the long-term.

War Of The Worlds a great example but also consider the education level of the listeners at that time. Many listeners were rural, agrarian... superstitious. I'm not saying they were stupid, not even suggesting...but, easily manipulated. Maybe not a test bed at the time but a darn good reference point on how people think as individuals and collectively. It's always easy to manipulate a group over the individual...God bless good old herd mentality.

As for myself, I'm a true pessimist. I don't believe everything I hear or see at face value and I'm definitely not a paranoid. Nor am I a conspiracy theorist by-and-large but to totally dismiss all alternate possibilities out-of-hand, is in my opionion a dangerous mistake, for an individual or society.
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Message 1115983 - Posted: 11 Jun 2011, 19:15:06 UTC - in response to Message 1115946.
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No sir, I give them credit with the notion that they will at least make the attempt.


Sure, but free will and free thought will always provide that someone will be sufficiently smart enough to check their statements and call bullshit when/where necessary.

These people are always thinking in the long-term.


If government agencies are in so much control over everything we see, hear, and essentially think, what makes anyone so sure that you could possibly be on the right track of "truth"? The very logic is self-defeating if one takes it far enough to it's only logical conclusion.

I'm not saying they were stupid, not even suggesting...but, easily manipulated. Maybe not a test bed at the time but a darn good reference point on how people think as individuals and collectively. It's always easy to manipulate a group over the individual...God bless good old herd mentality.


That suggests that people are nothing more than sheep that need to be herded. Don't be a sheep and you won't have that problem. Become sophisticated enough or learn to trust someone who is to know what is bullshit and what isn't. Always research your facts and always let the data lead you to the conclusion.

Nor am I a conspiracy theorist by-and-large but to totally dismiss all alternate possibilities out-of-hand, is in my opionion a dangerous mistake, for an individual or society.


To allow totally illogical bullshit to remain on the "idea" table only provides a means to allow one's self to throw out all critical thought on a subject, and keeps people thinking like unsophisticated neanderthals.

"In solving a problem of this sort, the grand thing is to be able to reason backward. That is a very useful accomplishment, and a very easy one, but people do not practise it much. In the everyday affairs of life it is more useful to reason forward, and so the other comes to be neglected. There are fifty who can reason synthetically for one who can reason analytically."

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Those two quotes, from Sherlock Holmes, are great reasons to totally dismiss alternate possibilities out of hand. Use analytical thinking to eliminate the impossible and whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

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Message 1116029 - Posted: 11 Jun 2011, 21:02:12 UTC - in response to Message 1115983.

unfortunately, for us conspiracy theorists eliminate the logical without evidence to the contrary and jump to the conclusion that a conspiracy is a foot no matter how illogical.
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Message 1116034 - Posted: 11 Jun 2011, 21:18:22 UTC - in response to Message 1115983.

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Message 1116035 - Posted: 11 Jun 2011, 21:19:19 UTC - in response to Message 1116034.

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Let me finish that for you: "... is hogwash". And everything you think you know about it is too.

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Message 1116102 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 0:23:25 UTC - in response to Message 1116035.

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Let me finish that for you: "... is hogwash". And everything you think you know about it is too.


And i suppose you have the inside details of this claim? Give me a break. You want to call what some are saying "illogical" when you have no evidence to back up your claims for that statement. I am not saying there are or were aliens there, but to make a statement like that, please back it up instead of insulting the thought process of everyone.

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Message 1116107 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 0:36:30 UTC - in response to Message 1116102.

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Let me finish that for you: "... is hogwash". And everything you think you know about it is too.


And i suppose you have the inside details of this claim? Give me a break. You want to call what some are saying "illogical" when you have no evidence to back up your claims for that statement. I am not saying there are or were aliens there, but to make a statement like that, please back it up instead of insulting the thought process of everyone.


Prove that nothing was there? I'm not the one claiming that it's a secret UFO facility. I may as well prove to you that God doesn't exist too.

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Message 1116108 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 0:37:44 UTC - in response to Message 1116107.

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Let me finish that for you: "... is hogwash". And everything you think you know about it is too.


And i suppose you have the inside details of this claim? Give me a break. You want to call what some are saying "illogical" when you have no evidence to back up your claims for that statement. I am not saying there are or were aliens there, but to make a statement like that, please back it up instead of insulting the thought process of everyone.


Prove that nothing was there? I'm not the one claiming that it's a secret UFO facility. I may as well prove to you that God doesn't exist too.


Neither was I.
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Message 1116113 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 0:46:48 UTC - in response to Message 1116108.
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Let me finish that for you: "... is hogwash". And everything you think you know about it is too.


And i suppose you have the inside details of this claim? Give me a break. You want to call what some are saying "illogical" when you have no evidence to back up your claims for that statement. I am not saying there are or were aliens there, but to make a statement like that, please back it up instead of insulting the thought process of everyone.


Prove that nothing was there? I'm not the one claiming that it's a secret UFO facility. I may as well prove to you that God doesn't exist too.


Neither was I.


Did I say you were?

I'll tell you what. We'll play this little game called "The person making the claim has to provide their evidence". C Olival made a simple two word statement seemingly to make a point, but did little to clarify himself. Merely mentioning Area 51 is the oft-cry of alien conspirators as the haven of government cover-ups. Being that C Olival saw fit to not provide any information for his claim, I merely finished his sentence for him.

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Message 1116242 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 13:26:07 UTC - in response to Message 1116113.

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Let me finish that for you: "... is hogwash". And everything you think you know about it is too.


And i suppose you have the inside details of this claim? Give me a break. You want to call what some are saying "illogical" when you have no evidence to back up your claims for that statement. I am not saying there are or were aliens there, but to make a statement like that, please back it up instead of insulting the thought process of everyone.


Prove that nothing was there? I'm not the one claiming that it's a secret UFO facility. I may as well prove to you that God doesn't exist too.


Neither was I.


Did I say you were?

I'll tell you what. We'll play this little game called "The person making the claim has to provide their evidence". C Olival made a simple two word statement seemingly to make a point, but did little to clarify himself. Merely mentioning Area 51 is the oft-cry of alien conspirators as the haven of government cover-ups. Being that C Olival saw fit to not provide any information for his claim, I merely finished his sentence for him.


Oh the government is definitely covering something up there. No doubt in my mind. They, to this day, still deny it even exists. Yet there it is...clear as day. In the middle of no where. Is it aliens or alien technology? Probably not, but will we ever know? Maybe..but definitely not in my lifetime.

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Message 1116276 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 15:01:04 UTC - in response to Message 1116242.

Oh the government is definitely covering something up there. No doubt in my mind. They, to this day, still deny it even exists. Yet there it is...clear as day. In the middle of no where. Is it aliens or alien technology? Probably not, but will we ever know? Maybe..but definitely not in my lifetime.


I've never seen a government official deny Area 51 exists. I've only seen them deny that it is hiding alien technology. Are they covering up something because they are hiding work on a project? Possibly. Its kinda hard to keep information out of the hands of your enemies if every citizen knows about it.

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Message 1116279 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 15:09:52 UTC
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I've never seen a government official deny Area 51 exists. I've only seen them deny that it is hiding alien technology. Are they covering up something because they are hiding work on a project? Possibly. Its kinda hard to keep information out of the hands of your enemies if every citizen knows about it.


If you are testing top secret, leading edge, military hardware, you would not want the Ruskies or the Far East to get hold of your secrets. So of course Area 51 does not officially exist.

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Message 1116319 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 16:05:31 UTC - in response to Message 1116279.

I've never seen a government official deny Area 51 exists. I've only seen them deny that it is hiding alien technology. Are they covering up something because they are hiding work on a project? Possibly. Its kinda hard to keep information out of the hands of your enemies if every citizen knows about it.


If you are testing top secret, leading edge, military hardware, you would not want the Ruskies or the Far East to get hold of your secrets. So of course Area 51 does not officially exist.


Depends on what play on words we're using for "officially exist". We all know there's a government base there, as Jason said, it's right there, plain as day. So while the government line might be "it doesn't officially exist", they do not deny that it is a government facility.

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Message 1116333 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 17:10:04 UTC

LOL! I think we may be getting into the realm of splitting hairs here :-) They can't deny it exists when you can see it on Google earth. What they can and do say, is that what goes on there doesn't officially exist. If in fact they ARE developing top secret, next generation, radar immune stealth bombers, I'm happy that the technolgy involved stays where it is.

If they've got some dead aliens there they can keep 'em!

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Message 1116352 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 18:10:13 UTC - in response to Message 1116333.

LOL! I think we may be getting into the realm of splitting hairs here :-)


Not trying to. I'm just trying to point out that the existence is irrefutable. So what if they deny what goes on there. I deny what goes on in my own house because it's none of any elses' business.

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Message 1116419 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 22:05:22 UTC - in response to Message 1116352.

LOL! I think we may be getting into the realm of splitting hairs here :-)


Not trying to. I'm just trying to point out that the existence is irrefutable. So what if they deny what goes on there. I deny what goes on in my own house because it's none of any elses' business.


In terms of the American people it is "our" business what goes on there. We paid for that facility to be built and we pay for it to operate until this day. I may not want to know everything that is going on there, but for them to deny the existence of such a place makes the population look stupid.
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Message 1116480 - Posted: 13 Jun 2011, 0:51:48 UTC - in response to Message 1116419.

LOL! I think we may be getting into the realm of splitting hairs here :-)


Not trying to. I'm just trying to point out that the existence is irrefutable. So what if they deny what goes on there. I deny what goes on in my own house because it's none of any elses' business.


In terms of the American people it is "our" business what goes on there. We paid for that facility to be built and we pay for it to operate until this day. I may not want to know everything that is going on there, but for them to deny the existence of such a place makes the population look stupid.


It might be "ours", but we don't need to know everything. It isn't much of a secret if everyone knows it. Any citizen can be compromised or a turncoat and give these secrets away to our enemies. I'm pretty sure they only deny what goes on there, not that it actually exists.

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Message 1116557 - Posted: 13 Jun 2011, 5:30:13 UTC - in response to Message 1116480.

LOL! I think we may be getting into the realm of splitting hairs here :-)


Not trying to. I'm just trying to point out that the existence is irrefutable. So what if they deny what goes on there. I deny what goes on in my own house because it's none of any elses' business.


In terms of the American people it is "our" business what goes on there. We paid for that facility to be built and we pay for it to operate until this day. I may not want to know everything that is going on there, but for them to deny the existence of such a place makes the population look stupid.


It might be "ours", but we don't need to know everything. It isn't much of a secret if everyone knows it. Any citizen can be compromised or a turncoat and give these secrets away to our enemies. I'm pretty sure they only deny what goes on there, not that it actually exists.


This coming from someone who insists we know everything or a good portion of it. Cannot have your cake and eat it too.
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Message 1116599 - Posted: 13 Jun 2011, 10:10:21 UTC

but for them to deny the existence of such a place makes the population look stupid.


It has always been standard procedure for Governments to officially deny the existence of research or other military installations, in the interest of National security. Every country does it and for good reason. If you admit they exist, your enemies will go looking for them!

In the case of Area 51, I believe that it is still official policy to deny it's existence or activities, although anyone with google earth can see it from their armchair.

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Message 1116728 - Posted: 13 Jun 2011, 16:40:37 UTC - in response to Message 1116557.

[quoteThis coming from someone who insists we know everything or a good portion of it. Cannot have your cake and eat it too.[/quote]

Please point out where I have insisted we know everything or even a good portion of it.


By the way, I've always hated that saying "You can't have your cake and eat it too", what good is a cake you can't eat? I prefer "You can't drink your beer and whistle too".

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