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Message 1095720 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 17:25:02 UTC

Because I don't believe it.

I have a machine that is running 7 (my max) CPU threads of AP at High Priority, all due 4/21. Meanwhile, there are 2 APs due 4/11 (that's tomorrow, for those of you who are a bit slow) and 1 4/14 and 1 4/16, and they are in "Waiting to Run" state.

One of the 4/21s just finished, and BOINC did not (re)start either of the 4/11 APs (or the 4/14 or the 4/16).

WTF?

How does this make sense?????
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Message 1095722 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 17:26:54 UTC - in response to Message 1095720.  

Because I don't believe it.

I have a machine that is running 7 (my max) CPU threads of AP at High Priority, all due 4/21. Meanwhile, there are 2 APs due 4/11 (that's tomorrow, for those of you who are a bit slow) and 1 4/14 and 1 4/16, and they are in "Waiting to Run" state.

One of the 4/21s just finished, and BOINC did not (re)start either of the 4/11 APs (or the 4/14 or the 4/16).

WTF?

How does this make sense?????

May not seem to on the surface, but my bet is that later today Boinc will pick back up on the waiting WUs and finish them on time.
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Message 1095738 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 17:44:01 UTC - in response to Message 1095727.  

Ya no kidding, that was a bit of an insult.


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Message 1095746 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 17:55:02 UTC - in response to Message 1095720.  

there are 2 APs due 4/11 (that's tomorrow, for those of you who are a bit slow)

For those of us in countries where day/month/year format is usual, that's the fourth of November.

Not slow, just multinational - and, to my eyes, logical. I've always wondered why Americans put the day in the middle.
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Message 1095761 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 18:32:48 UTC
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Our way makes perfect sense to me....
But, it's all what you are taught and the way you are used to doing it.

When speaking, most here would not say 'the 11th of April, 2011.
We would usually say 'April 11th, 2011'.
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Message 1095765 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 18:46:22 UTC - in response to Message 1095763.  

I guess that is the difference across the pond. We tend to speak in increasing time scales/lag i.e.

days
months
years

But yes, it's what you are taught and grow up with.


Maybe we should all be using the Unix time stamp....sure would clear it up for a lot of people.....oh wait, lol. (1302393600 for those wondering)
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Message 1095768 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 18:51:09 UTC - in response to Message 1095761.  
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When speaking, most here would not say 'the 11th of April, 2011.
We would usually say 'April 11th, 2011'.

I always thought America was Born On The 4th Of July - when did you change?

That M/d/y format makes it very difficult to sort lists of dates into order - though I prefer yyyy/mm/dd for that. Any more offers?
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Message 1095774 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 19:06:28 UTC

Heres my two peneth worth for star trek fans. Stardate 0 is 1st Jan 2323 which makes April 11th 2011 1 second past midnight Stardate -311726.0
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Message 1095783 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 19:18:31 UTC

Lol, you put my Trek knowledge to shame Space Cowboy.
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Message 1095785 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 19:20:15 UTC

OK final one - Julian date for 11th April : 2455662.5
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Message 1095854 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 20:52:40 UTC

(Sorry this is delayed, but Other Stuff intervened)

Yah, I'm sorry about the insult, I was just hacked off because of what BOINC is doing (and it still hasn't restarted the 2 4/11 ones). My bad, me sad.

And: I agree - we USAers should do year-month-day or day-month-year, but then, I've been a programmer since 1964 or so, so I tend to think in terms of sorting...
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Message 1095857 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 21:02:06 UTC - in response to Message 1095780.  

OK, heres my four pennorth worth ...

Microsoft Excel stores dates and times as a number representing the number of days since 1900-Jan-1


Today is day 40642 :-)

Next ...




...perhaps julian dates would be the thing, then we just have a single number for date and time!

Immagimne that: right, thats confirmed; we meet at 2455662.37314; ahh, no hang on - busy then, how are you fixed for 2455662.39314? No sorry, got a squeeze on then, I can make 2455662.49314 though.... !!!!

Perhaps on second thoughts, that's not such a good idea! Lets just stick with what we've got - confusion and all - and beg to differ.
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Message 1095858 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 21:13:50 UTC
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Back on topic, it would be interesting to see what happens with the WUs due tomorrow.
Just about a week ago I had 2 Einsteins miss deadline. They had been issued on 23 Mar. and worked on that day, then they were waiting to resume until 6 Apr, the day they were due and did not finish in time. They were only slightly late, but still, missed deadline. My system was on 24/7 almost the entire time with Boinc running at least 99 percent of the time (maybe a couple of reboots, that's all). So I'd be interested to see what happens with the APs in question, whether they do in fact resume in time or not. Oh, and the estimates in Boinc of how long the Einsteins I had would take to finish were accurate within a couple of minutes, so that wasn't the issue....

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Message 1095860 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 21:27:18 UTC - in response to Message 1095858.  

Back on topic, it would be interesting to see what happens with the WUs due tomorrow.
Just about a week ago I had 2 Einsteins miss deadline. They had been issued on 23 Mar. and worked on that day, then they were waiting to resume until 6 Apr, the day they were due and did not finish in time. They were only slightly late, but still, missed deadline. My system was on 24/7 almost the entire time with Boinc running at least 99 percent of the time (maybe a couple of reboots, that's all). So I'd be interested to see what happens with the APs in question, whether they do in fact resume in time or not. Oh, and the estimates in Boinc of how long the Einsteins I had would take to finish were accurate within a couple of minutes, so that wasn't the issue....

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One thing I worry about is that BOINC may not explicitly allow for uploading time in its calculations. I mean the real uploading time, nothing to do with the vagaries of our pipe here. When GPUGrid requires an upload of 32MB, and would like, if at all possible, the task to be turned round in 24 hours (of which maybe six hours are actual crunching on my GTX 470), then downloading and uploading time eat substantially into the gap between allocation and reporting.
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Message 1095868 - Posted: 10 Apr 2011, 22:07:34 UTC - in response to Message 1095860.  

Military records always used the last number of the year and the numerical day so today would be 1100. The one hundredth day of 2011.


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Message 1095898 - Posted: 11 Apr 2011, 0:03:40 UTC - in response to Message 1095768.  

When speaking, most here would not say 'the 11th of April, 2011.
We would usually say 'April 11th, 2011'.

I always thought America was Born On The 4th Of July - when did you change?

That M/d/y format makes it very difficult to sort lists of dates into order - though I prefer yyyy/mm/dd for that. Any more offers?

I'm sticking with the Mayan calendar. So today is 12.19.18.4.19.

If I want people to know what I'm talking about I prefer the ISO 8601 date/time format YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss.
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Message 1095921 - Posted: 11 Apr 2011, 2:18:44 UTC - in response to Message 1095858.  

Back on topic, it would be interesting to see what happens with the WUs due tomorrow.


As of now the 2 4/11 APs are still "Waiting to Run". One is due at 5AM, too, the other at 6PM. I'll post the results.

ALSO: Question: for out-of-time purposes, is it when it is uploaded, or when it is reported that counts?

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Message 1095936 - Posted: 11 Apr 2011, 3:07:57 UTC
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Good news - the 5AM AP is now running (but not as "High Priority") and should finish easily before 5AM (EDT).
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Message 1095966 - Posted: 11 Apr 2011, 4:43:07 UTC - in response to Message 1095921.  

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ALSO: Question: for out-of-time purposes, is it when it is uploaded, or when it is reported that counts?

The task isn't finished until it is reported. In fact, an uploaded result is just a file sitting in storage which the database knows nothing about so the Transitioner cannot tell any of the other processes about it. IIRC there's an eventual safety feature of the file deleters which will clean up uploaded but unreported files.

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Message 1095987 - Posted: 11 Apr 2011, 6:16:19 UTC

Thats one of the features of Boinc i really don´t like.
I would prefer FIFO mode instead.
One of the reasons i just suspend units i don´t want to get touched.

I wouldn´t call it stupid, but a little weird.



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