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Cruncher-American Send message Joined: 25 Mar 02 Posts: 1513 Credit: 370,893,186 RAC: 340 |
Because I don't believe it. I have a machine that is running 7 (my max) CPU threads of AP at High Priority, all due 4/21. Meanwhile, there are 2 APs due 4/11 (that's tomorrow, for those of you who are a bit slow) and 1 4/14 and 1 4/16, and they are in "Waiting to Run" state. One of the 4/21s just finished, and BOINC did not (re)start either of the 4/11 APs (or the 4/14 or the 4/16). WTF? How does this make sense????? |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Because I don't believe it. May not seem to on the surface, but my bet is that later today Boinc will pick back up on the waiting WUs and finish them on time. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Dave C Send message Joined: 22 Jan 02 Posts: 364 Credit: 1,025,962 RAC: 0 |
Ya no kidding, that was a bit of an insult. Avians and Myrmicats, the Octospiders, and the Humans all living in one huge cylinder in space called RAMA. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
there are 2 APs due 4/11 (that's tomorrow, for those of you who are a bit slow) For those of us in countries where day/month/year format is usual, that's the fourth of November. Not slow, just multinational - and, to my eyes, logical. I've always wondered why Americans put the day in the middle. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Our way makes perfect sense to me.... But, it's all what you are taught and the way you are used to doing it. When speaking, most here would not say 'the 11th of April, 2011. We would usually say 'April 11th, 2011'. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
-BeNt- Send message Joined: 17 Oct 99 Posts: 1234 Credit: 10,116,112 RAC: 0 |
I guess that is the difference across the pond. We tend to speak in increasing time scales/lag i.e. Maybe we should all be using the Unix time stamp....sure would clear it up for a lot of people.....oh wait, lol. (1302393600 for those wondering) Traveling through space at ~67,000mph! |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
When speaking, most here would not say 'the 11th of April, 2011. I always thought America was Born On The 4th Of July - when did you change? That M/d/y format makes it very difficult to sort lists of dates into order - though I prefer yyyy/mm/dd for that. Any more offers? |
Space Cowboy Send message Joined: 24 Apr 00 Posts: 43 Credit: 1,730,621 RAC: 0 |
Heres my two peneth worth for star trek fans. Stardate 0 is 1st Jan 2323 which makes April 11th 2011 1 second past midnight Stardate -311726.0 |
Dimly Lit Lightbulb 😀 Send message Joined: 30 Aug 08 Posts: 15399 Credit: 7,423,413 RAC: 1 |
Lol, you put my Trek knowledge to shame Space Cowboy. |
Space Cowboy Send message Joined: 24 Apr 00 Posts: 43 Credit: 1,730,621 RAC: 0 |
OK final one - Julian date for 11th April : 2455662.5 |
Cruncher-American Send message Joined: 25 Mar 02 Posts: 1513 Credit: 370,893,186 RAC: 340 |
(Sorry this is delayed, but Other Stuff intervened) Yah, I'm sorry about the insult, I was just hacked off because of what BOINC is doing (and it still hasn't restarted the 2 4/11 ones). My bad, me sad. And: I agree - we USAers should do year-month-day or day-month-year, but then, I've been a programmer since 1964 or so, so I tend to think in terms of sorting... |
Area 51 Send message Joined: 31 Jan 04 Posts: 965 Credit: 42,193,520 RAC: 0 |
OK, heres my four pennorth worth ... ...perhaps julian dates would be the thing, then we just have a single number for date and time! Immagimne that: right, thats confirmed; we meet at 2455662.37314; ahh, no hang on - busy then, how are you fixed for 2455662.39314? No sorry, got a squeeze on then, I can make 2455662.49314 though.... !!!! Perhaps on second thoughts, that's not such a good idea! Lets just stick with what we've got - confusion and all - and beg to differ. |
dnolan Send message Joined: 30 Aug 01 Posts: 1228 Credit: 47,779,411 RAC: 32 |
Back on topic, it would be interesting to see what happens with the WUs due tomorrow. Just about a week ago I had 2 Einsteins miss deadline. They had been issued on 23 Mar. and worked on that day, then they were waiting to resume until 6 Apr, the day they were due and did not finish in time. They were only slightly late, but still, missed deadline. My system was on 24/7 almost the entire time with Boinc running at least 99 percent of the time (maybe a couple of reboots, that's all). So I'd be interested to see what happens with the APs in question, whether they do in fact resume in time or not. Oh, and the estimates in Boinc of how long the Einsteins I had would take to finish were accurate within a couple of minutes, so that wasn't the issue.... -Dave |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Back on topic, it would be interesting to see what happens with the WUs due tomorrow. One thing I worry about is that BOINC may not explicitly allow for uploading time in its calculations. I mean the real uploading time, nothing to do with the vagaries of our pipe here. When GPUGrid requires an upload of 32MB, and would like, if at all possible, the task to be turned round in 24 hours (of which maybe six hours are actual crunching on my GTX 470), then downloading and uploading time eat substantially into the gap between allocation and reporting. |
perryjay Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3377 Credit: 20,676,751 RAC: 0 |
Military records always used the last number of the year and the numerical day so today would be 1100. The one hundredth day of 2011. PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC |
HAL9000 Send message Joined: 11 Sep 99 Posts: 6534 Credit: 196,805,888 RAC: 57 |
When speaking, most here would not say 'the 11th of April, 2011. I'm sticking with the Mayan calendar. So today is 12.19.18.4.19. If I want people to know what I'm talking about I prefer the ISO 8601 date/time format YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm:ss. SETI@home classic workunits: 93,865 CPU time: 863,447 hours Join the [url=http://tinyurl.com/8y46zvu]BP6/VP6 User Group[ |
Cruncher-American Send message Joined: 25 Mar 02 Posts: 1513 Credit: 370,893,186 RAC: 340 |
Back on topic, it would be interesting to see what happens with the WUs due tomorrow. As of now the 2 4/11 APs are still "Waiting to Run". One is due at 5AM, too, the other at 6PM. I'll post the results. ALSO: Question: for out-of-time purposes, is it when it is uploaded, or when it is reported that counts? |
Cruncher-American Send message Joined: 25 Mar 02 Posts: 1513 Credit: 370,893,186 RAC: 340 |
Good news - the 5AM AP is now running (but not as "High Priority") and should finish easily before 5AM (EDT). |
Josef W. Segur Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0 |
... The task isn't finished until it is reported. In fact, an uploaded result is just a file sitting in storage which the database knows nothing about so the Transitioner cannot tell any of the other processes about it. IIRC there's an eventual safety feature of the file deleters which will clean up uploaded but unreported files. It's like walking into the post office with a letter you mean to mail and dropping it into the trash bin. Joe |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34257 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
Thats one of the features of Boinc i really don´t like. I would prefer FIFO mode instead. One of the reasons i just suspend units i don´t want to get touched. I wouldn´t call it stupid, but a little weird. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
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