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Message 1090118 - Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 22:29:34 UTC

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Message 1090121 - Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 22:40:16 UTC - in response to Message 1090118.

So far they run hot and almost as slow as My MSI GTX295, 607MHz vs 576MHz. I've got 3 other GTX295 cards that are faster than the GTX590 and none of them are ever overclocked, Not that I couldn't, I just don't see a point in doing so on air cooling.
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Message 1090123 - Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 22:44:53 UTC - in response to Message 1090121.

Interesting, my understanding was the output of the GTX 580 was about 1.5 times that of the GTX 295. How many GTX 590's did you get Vic?
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Message 1090125 - Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 22:56:37 UTC

Part Number: 03G-P3-1598-AR
Core Clock Speed: 630MHz
CUDA Cores: 1024 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Wow.
Memory Clock Speed: 3456MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 331.7GB/sec
Shader Clock Speed: 1260MHz
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Message 1090128 - Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 23:11:35 UTC - in response to Message 1090125.
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Part Number: 03G-P3-1598-AR
Core Clock Speed: 630MHz
CUDA Cores: 1024 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Wow.
Memory Clock Speed: 3456MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 331.7GB/sec
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The stock speed from what I've read is 607MHz from Nvidia, As to how many 590 cards do I have? Zero. There are at least half a dozen websites doing reviews and the 580 runs at 772MHz, While cause of heat issues the Reference GTX590 is not set to do more than 607MHz... As the 590 has a cooling problem and some are recommending the 590 be water cooled. Your card is an Evga Classified, I hope You have a case with very good air flow, Yer going to need It.
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Message 1090129 - Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 23:19:47 UTC

The list of website reviewing the GTX590 is Here, Also It's come to light that the 267.52 Nvidia drivers don't work right, So unless You want a dead GTX590, Do not use them, As is mentioned Here. The [H]ardOCP has a YouTube video up showing the card being burned up on the 267.52 driver...
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Message 1090132 - Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 23:26:59 UTC

This morning Engadget made a post about the 590 with links to several review in it. You can find it here.

Not included in that list was Toms HW comparison against the 6990 and some older ATI & NVIDIA cards.
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Message 1090134 - Posted: 24 Mar 2011, 23:28:38 UTC - in response to Message 1090128.

as well as the optimized code (Fermi etc) and clock speeds, they do have a much higher number of cores(processors).

I have nothing bad to say about anyones graphics processor, especially if they like it. But to consider the 295's on the same level of the 590's is.. well just not the same.

Bang per buck, for crunching there can still be something to be said for the 295's. But for pure all out performance, not even going to be in the same ballpark.

And since the cards are running and shipping, I presume they have some working
drivers out. I have seen enough flakey driver issues to just find one that is stable, until the next stable one comes out. Rushing to update drivers can be a nose bleed.
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Message 1090153 - Posted: 25 Mar 2011, 0:24:52 UTC - in response to Message 1090134.
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as well as the optimized code (Fermi etc) and clock speeds, they do have a much higher number of cores(processors).

I have nothing bad to say about anyones graphics processor, especially if they like it. But to consider the 295's on the same level of the 590's is.. well just not the same.

Bang per buck, for crunching there can still be something to be said for the 295's. But for pure all out performance, not even going to be in the same ballpark.

And since the cards are running and shipping, I presume they have some working
drivers out. I have seen enough flakey driver issues to just find one that is stable, until the next stable one comes out. Rushing to update drivers can be a nose bleed.

The 267.52 drivers made a spark and smoked up a GTX590, That's not a driver to run, The 267.52 driver that comes on the Driver CD for the GTX590 is flakey, very flakey, So once again use some other driver, If You value Yer GTX590 card, Unless You like wasting over $600.00 at a time. Go look at the video of the GTX590 card giving off a spark and smoke just after the spark, It's Here on YouTube.
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Message 1090207 - Posted: 25 Mar 2011, 4:48:08 UTC - in response to Message 1090153.

That did show an overclock/overvolt gone wrong. I am unconvinced the software drivers are to blame when it could easily have been power supply/ over stress/etc. Anyway.. be careful out there.
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Message 1090210 - Posted: 25 Mar 2011, 5:03:26 UTC - in response to Message 1090153.

The 267.52 drivers made a spark and smoked up a GTX590, That's not a driver to run, The 267.52 driver that comes on the Driver CD for the GTX590 is flakey, very flakey, So once again use some other driver, If You value Yer GTX590 card, Unless You like wasting over $600.00 at a time. Go look at the video of the GTX590 card giving off a spark and smoke just after the spark, It's Here on YouTube.


I would require more than one example before coming to this conclusion. And I'm sure the manufacturer will also.
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Message 1090220 - Posted: 25 Mar 2011, 7:00:22 UTC
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If you read on their respective websites the 590's are voltage locked so they had to over volt them to test overclocking on them, resulting in this effect. The drivers have a voltage lock at 1.05v and these guys turned the card up to 1.2 volts?.....throttling on the driver level can't protect you from that. Of course xtremesytems as well as a Romanian site are saying the had no overclock or volt mod on their cards and it still happened. However the funny thing is Hardware Canucks has tested 13 of the cards a none of them died.He mentions sticking to stock voltages. Nvidia has a post up about it as well. Heh.

One other thing to note is they are commenting on great temperatures which is shocking. Also there is other news it's weak VRM's causing this to happen. Who knows, personally it just looks like a replay of just about every dual card every released, different problem same ole' story. They can never get these things out right, always issues of some sort.
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Message 1093859 - Posted: 6 Apr 2011, 9:38:14 UTC - in response to Message 1090220.

I have a Gigabyte GTX 590....

I've been crunching over at Primegrid for a few days with no problems - I can get 1,000,000 credits per day over there.

Just tried Seti for a few hours on the 590, maybe someone can look at my tasks to see if its doing good times?

Anyway I'm very happy with the card, its quiet - compared to my HD 5870 I can't even hear it.

Temperatures have been around 66 - 67 degrees celcius, no problems with overheating for me. I'm running driver 267.91


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Message 1093892 - Posted: 6 Apr 2011, 14:10:55 UTC - in response to Message 1090220.

If you read on their respective websites the 590's are voltage locked so they had to over volt them to test overclocking on them, resulting in this effect. The drivers have a voltage lock at 1.05v and these guys turned the card up to 1.2 volts?.....throttling on the driver level can't protect you from that. Of course xtremesytems as well as a Romanian site are saying the had no overclock or volt mod on their cards and it still happened. However the funny thing is Hardware Canucks has tested 13 of the cards a none of them died.He mentions sticking to stock voltages. Nvidia has a post up about it as well. Heh.

One other thing to note is they are commenting on great temperatures which is shocking. Also there is other news it's weak VRM's causing this to happen. Who knows, personally it just looks like a replay of just about every dual card every released, different problem same ole' story. They can never get these things out right, always issues of some sort.


Oh then Yer going to love what Nvidia and Asus did, As part of this was a faulty driver that didn't engage the voltage safeties and the video bios...

TechReport - Nvidia, Asus put the clamps on GTX 590 voltage wrote:
The biggest news on this front, in our view, is that Nvidia has put the clamps on GTX 590 voltage in its drivers. We shot down a rumor last week that the public-release 267.91 drivers somehow reduced the performance of a stock-clocked GTX 590. They simply do not. However, we've since learned Nvidia has capped the voltage at the default 938 mV on GTX 590 cards starting in release 267.91. We've confirmed that the latest 270.51 betas will not allow us to raise our GTX 590's voltage at all using MSI's Afterburner utility.

HardOCP wrote:
Quickly after the launch of the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 there came down many videos and tales of GTX 590 cards "burning up" and popping power circuitry when overclocking. The exploding GTX 590 cards happened because of one reason; some reviewers were not using the latest drivers for evaluation purposes. We always make sure we use the latest drivers as provided by NVIDIA when testing hardware, especially new hardware like this video card. Apparently, an earlier driver version (267.52) had faulty programming in the power management portion of the driver which caused the power management features on the GTX 590 to simply not work properly when over-volted. When people would crank the voltage up to 1.2v, or thereabouts, the video cards power circuitry couldn't handle it, and pop went the weasel.

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Message 1093894 - Posted: 6 Apr 2011, 14:14:13 UTC - in response to Message 1093859.

I have a Gigabyte GTX 590....

I've been crunching over at Primegrid for a few days with no problems - I can get 1,000,000 credits per day over there.

Just tried Seti for a few hours on the 590, maybe someone can look at my tasks to see if its doing good times?

Anyway I'm very happy with the card, its quiet - compared to my HD 5870 I can't even hear it.

Temperatures have been around 66 - 67 degrees celcius, no problems with overheating for me. I'm running driver 267.91




Fantastic to hear from someone that actually owns one :D

Assuming stock clocks I think the times look alright, the stock 6.10 cuda_fermi always seemed a bit heavy on the CPU usage to me. If you wanted to go 3rd party manual app installation (with all associated warnings & caveats first about keeping an eye out for updates) then running 3 tasks at a time per GPU becomes an option. I estimate doing so should yield somewhere around a RAC of 50,000-60,000, with some tweaking. placing it somewhere approaching the top 20 hosts (with a single Card! :O ). A lot would depend on the rest of your gear of course.

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Message 1093903 - Posted: 6 Apr 2011, 14:46:07 UTC - in response to Message 1093892.
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Oh then Yer going to love what Nvidia and Asus did, As part of this was a faulty driver that didn't engage the voltage safeties and the video bios...


Yeah funny thing is if you would have read the link I gave from Nvidia they said that.....which also means if you didn't volt mod it or overvolt it you wouldn't have that issue.....either way glad they fixed it to rule out people being idiots.


In the web release driver of GeForce GTX 590, we have added some important enhancements to our overcurrent protection for overclocking. We recommend anyone doing overclocking or running stress apps to always use the latest web driver to get the fullest protection for your hardware. Please note that overcurrent protection does not eliminate the risks of overclocking, and hardware damage is possible, particularly when overvoltaging. We recommend anyone using the GTX 590 board with the reference aircooler stick with the default voltage while overclocking, and avoid working around overcurrent protection mechanisms for stress applications. This will help maintain GTX 590's great combination of acoustics, performance, and reliability.


As far as times on that 590 they look to be in the same range as every other Fermi card for the most part, however you should be able to run 4 work units at a time and do it easily. ;) Would like to see what one can do running around the clock, I see great temps too!
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Message 1093907 - Posted: 6 Apr 2011, 14:55:34 UTC

Geez...
These things sound like a time bomb.
I hope that they come packaged with a clear warning that they must be used with the latest drivers. I'm sure some folks are gonna pop them into their rigs with whatever driver they happen to be using at the time.

Have seen some conflicting reports about how hot they run at stock, much less OCd.

I've never played with the voltage on any of my GPUs...most run hot enough as it is.
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Message 1094079 - Posted: 6 Apr 2011, 21:07:14 UTC - in response to Message 1093907.

Geez...
These things sound like a time bomb.
I hope that they come packaged with a clear warning that they must be used with the latest drivers. I'm sure some folks are gonna pop them into their rigs with whatever driver they happen to be using at the time.

Have seen some conflicting reports about how hot they run at stock, much less OCd.

I've never played with the voltage on any of my GPUs...most run hot enough as it is.


It isn't a problem if you use the card with factory settings. The issue come when people start pushing the voltages and overclocks higher. However I have yet to ever see a multi-gpu card launch without issues. Think I'll stick with the singles ;)
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Message 1094123 - Posted: 6 Apr 2011, 23:09:46 UTC

If you plan on getting a 590 you might want to read some of the reviews on them. Most everything that I read is giving them horrible reviews. I had thought of getting some but not with how bad the reviews are.

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Message 1094244 - Posted: 7 Apr 2011, 8:46:02 UTC

Had my fingers burnt with the "2-card" 295. Not going near the 590 until at least the v2 is out.

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