Looks like few european (and not only) countries want petroleum so much that consider bombardment of Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya as allowed "democratic" way to twist into domestic affairs of this country.

What do you think about this, just interesting?

I beleive when a dictator starts slaughtering his own people using artillery and airplanes they have lost any legitimacy. The world should be prepared to offer the people of Libya any assistance they require to recover their country.

Although I am sure corporations and their minions care about the oil, they can leave it in the ground for all I care. In the long term it would be better that way.

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Janice

I beleive when a dictator starts slaughtering his own people using artillery and airplanes they have lost any legitimacy. The world should be prepared to offer the people of Libya any assistance they require to recover their country.

Although I am sure corporations and their minions care about the oil, they can leave it in the ground for all I care. In the long term it would be better that way.

Who called him dictator? News ? Propaganda?
Look "Wag the Dog" film to see how easy to call someone "dictator" if you want it...
And who gave USA or France right to judge ???

And what about Bahrain ?
UN uses double standarts....

I beleive when a dictator starts slaughtering his own people using artillery and airplanes they have lost any legitimacy. The world should be prepared to offer the people of Libya any assistance they require to recover their country.

Although I am sure corporations and their minions care about the oil, they can leave it in the ground for all I care. In the long term it would be better that way.

But not Iraq, right?

Iraq was a personal vendetta by a president who considered himself above the law. Oil and money was the vice presidents driving force.

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Janice

Weak and inaccurate.

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Janice

I beleive when a dictator starts slaughtering his own people using artillery and airplanes they have lost any legitimacy. The world should be prepared to offer the people of Libya any assistance they require to recover their country.

Although I am sure corporations and their minions care about the oil, they can leave it in the ground for all I care. In the long term it would be better that way.

Who called him dictator? News ? Propaganda?
Look "Wag the Dog" film to see how easy to call someone "dictator" if you want it...
And who gave USA or France right to judge ???

What word would you use? His word is law, he was not elected, not appointed, not of royal descent.... If he is not a Military Dictator who in history ever was?

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Janice

I beleive when a dictator starts slaughtering his own people using artillery and airplanes they have lost any legitimacy. The world should be prepared to offer the people of Libya any assistance they require to recover their country.

Although I am sure corporations and their minions care about the oil, they can leave it in the ground for all I care. In the long term it would be better that way.

But not Iraq, right?

Iraq was a personal vendetta by a president who considered himself above the law. Oil and money was the vice presidents driving force.

You don't suspect that oil and money are the driving force behind this latest action?

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You don't suspect that oil and money are the driving force behind this latest action?

I wish I was naive enough to beleive it was not a factor. To me it is not.
And my concerns and most PEOPLE's concerns are with the Libyan people.

My understanding is most of the oil was heading towards Russia, which I presume offsets what they export to China. Once all is said and done it will probably end up going back that direction again. So effectively, there is no VALID reason to fight over the oil in Libya.

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Janice

Weak and inaccurate.

And this isn't?

Iraq was a personal vendetta by a president who considered himself above the law. Oil and money was the vice presidents driving force.

I am far from a Bush rah rah'er. However saying it was a personal vendetta is far from the truth, well unless you just want to have an easy unbased answer to that question with no consideration of other facts about the region and only want to give that answer because his 'daddy' was the president before. His book "Decision Points" and "Known and Unknown" from Donald Rumsfeld gives a lot of insight on the WMD discussion and why and how they came to a conclusion on their decision to invade Iraq.

Was it right, maybe, maybe not. Only history will tell. The question that still lingers for me about the latest Iraq invasion and Afghanistan is why? The people on the planes were Saudis. *Oil*?

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Afghanistan was where Bin Laden was being protected by the government there, as the leader of Al Queda. There was something that happened in New York we got a bit ticked off at. Something about a few buildings involving airplanes.

Now why the clear shot at him was never approved, and why we have not followed his sorry tail into Pakistan is completely beyond me. It should have been go in,
get him and as many of his followers as possible, ask if anyone else wants to try.. and left.

And the world would have been behind it. We squandered all the sympathy because Junior had a grudge because in his OWN WORDS Saddam was a "Bad Guy" and
"He tried to kill my Dad".

The rest of the information was manipulated to try and make it look valid. Heck I even gave them the benefit of the doubt "Well I do not SEE it, but they MUST know SOMETHING..."

At this point I would be surprised if he knows how to tie his shoes. But that is something for another thread.

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Janice

My understanding is most of the oil was heading towards Russia,

Maybe I misunderstood this line, but Russia exports petrolleum, not imports it.

Well, I would not trust news too much.
For example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12794623
they say, it's goverment aircraft (so, goverment breaks UN resolution".
From this news: http://vrn.kp.ru/daily/25654/817618/ :
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Вертолеты и истребитель оппозиционеров нанесли удары по позициям ливийских подразделений"
(~ helicopter and strike-craft of rebels ....) That is, rebels break UN resolution.

So, each country sees news just as it wants it to see. And Re: "not elected" - do you really think that puppet elections anyhow better ?? IMHO they just add layer of lie and hypocrisy, nothing more.

And more questions:
how rebels (if they just citizens) able to drive aircrafts? All libians know how to drive aircrafts from childhood? Nonsense! They just trained soldiers. And most probably trained on territory of another countries. That is, they are mercenaries and there are military operation against them.
All this called provocation, to give other countries more or less "legitime" right to start occupation of this country. Just as it was in Iraq.
[Perhaps soon someone founds nuclear weapon in Kaddafi's pocket? ]

It is perfectly clear (if you have watched the videos coming out of Libya), this is NOT ABOUT OIL. It is about a ruthless dictator who is more than willing to kill his own people to maintain his domination over them.

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It is perfectly clear (if you have watched the videos coming out of Libya), this is NOT ABOUT OIL. It is about a ruthless dictator who is more than willing to kill his own people to maintain his domination over them.

Actually, video say nothing useful. Wanna make video of peoples in blood? No problems. After that you can make any soundtrack, don't forget it. Other side says there are mercenaries and bandits who terrorize civilians - well, they can show just the same video to prove own point!

All this doesn't excuse foreign intervention, it's my point.
[Especially if there are so many examples of public opinion manipulations in near past]

Afghanistan was where Bin Laden was being protected by the government there, as the leader of Al Queda. There was something that happened in New York we got a bit ticked off at. Something about a few buildings involving airplanes.

Now why the clear shot at him was never approved, and why we have not followed his sorry tail into Pakistan is completely beyond me. It should have been go in,
get him and as many of his followers as possible, ask if anyone else wants to try.. and left.

And the world would have been behind it. We squandered all the sympathy because Junior had a grudge because in his OWN WORDS Saddam was a "Bad Guy" and
"He tried to kill my Dad".

The rest of the information was manipulated to try and make it look valid. Heck I even gave them the benefit of the doubt "Well I do not SEE it, but they MUST know SOMETHING..."

At this point I would be surprised if he knows how to tie his shoes. But that is something for another thread.

You should work for 'faux'. Cherry picking without context isn't exactly correct. In talking about Saddam's ways he commenting on him being a bad guy because he had acted out of defiance in not allowing UN inspectors back into the plants where suspected weapons where amongst other things, saying it demonstrated his hatred towards the US. He was summarizing his thoughts about Saddam's hatred towards the US by saying, "after all he tried to kill my dad", another US President, and as far as I recollect the only US President or US official, or foreign official for that matter, that Saddam put out a hit list on. Making his reasoning behind saying his hatred was targeted towards the US a good bit more valid and verifying.

Now bringing up 9/11 and Al-Qaeda is a well founded point, they were involved and claimed credit for it. But you do realize the muslims that took and crashed those planes were from Saudi-Arabia, where Bin-Laden and his entire family is from, quite a wealthy family at that? Al-Qaeda is not a Country tied organization or militia group, but some people fail to see that. Chasing them through countries to kill them will be endless, and to much the same demise helped cripple and collapse the Soviet Union, from fighting in Afghanistan.

Now as far as Afghanistan, Al-Qaeda ended up using that country as a safe haven because they were running the government there by force, they were the government, if you want to call it that, not the Afghan people. They tried moving into Pakistan but their government is continuing to fight them on that front. The main reason they are gained a small foot hole in Pakistan is because the country is highly divided between government and tribal forces. There are places there you can't go unless you are a member, even government doesn't goto certain places. They played up the weakness of the Pakistan Government is certain areas and have found safe places to go. The end fighting between borders and on one side US military the other side Pakistan Government forces has cause a bit of a stale mate and is causing more of them under ground. Of course the US has put pressure and backing onto Pakistan to help as they have been a bit 'cautious / lazy' in doing so in the past.

Any who each to his own, everyone undoubtedly only gets their news from one place they trust....lol. All I want to know is what the end game is? I mean Iraq, Afghanistan, potentially Libya now, what about Iran? Eck, the world sucks at times.

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Alternative view on Libya's "dictatorship":
http://newsland.ru/news/detail/id/658529/cat/94/

My understanding is most of the oil was heading towards Russia,

Maybe I misunderstood this line, but Russia exports petrolleum, not imports it.

They do both. It is called the commodity exchange.

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Janice