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Message 1084961 - Posted: 8 Mar 2011, 12:04:24 UTC

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best wishes and many happy and sunny spring days :)
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I demand equal rights for fruitbats ...
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Message 1085000 - Posted: 8 Mar 2011, 14:05:33 UTC

What? A grumpy old man that doesn't enjoy women? They deserve a day just for putting up with grumpy old men.
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Message 1085025 - Posted: 8 Mar 2011, 14:51:26 UTC

I think thats a good idea.

Have a nice day girlz.



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Message 1085037 - Posted: 8 Mar 2011, 15:10:37 UTC



Thank you, Raistmer ! ;-)

Nice that someone wants to mention it here..

Not that i know what this day should add for
us.. ive seen nothing but storm and rain.. ;-))



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Message 1085039 - Posted: 8 Mar 2011, 15:25:35 UTC

I tend to like International Humanity Day a lot better... Oh wait. Weird how that doesn't exist huh? I hate pride.
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Message 1085053 - Posted: 8 Mar 2011, 16:04:18 UTC - in response to Message 1085039.  

I tend to like International Humanity Day a lot better... Oh wait. Weird how that doesn't exist huh? I hate pride.

It's on December the 10th.

Happy International Womans day.

I look forward to the day when woman are respected all over the world and we don't need days like this to remind us.
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Message 1085056 - Posted: 8 Mar 2011, 16:10:07 UTC - in response to Message 1085053.  

I tend to like International Humanity Day a lot better... Oh wait. Weird how that doesn't exist huh? I hate pride.

It's on December the 10th.

Happy International Womans day.

I look forward to the day when woman are respected all over the world and we don't need days like this to remind us.


Amen to the day when we dont need any day to be nice to one another.
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Message 1085088 - Posted: 8 Mar 2011, 16:59:48 UTC

"I think we should have an International Grumpy Old mens Day!"
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Hey, I resemble that remark!
Oh well I'll get over it.
Happy International Womans day.

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Message 1085094 - Posted: 8 Mar 2011, 17:12:12 UTC

Have a good one Ladies!

Cheers!
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Message 1085217 - Posted: 9 Mar 2011, 4:36:19 UTC

Hmmmmmm.... I started work at 8:00am this morning. It is now 8:30pm and I about to leave my office for home.

It is days like these that I wish I were not so emancipated, liberated and self-actualized!
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Message 1085250 - Posted: 9 Mar 2011, 9:06:18 UTC
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Sorry, darlin'.....
No rest for the wicked or the multi-talented.

(Is there anyone here that that doesn't apply to?)


add 1: God promises He will never give us more than we can handle,
but some days, I wish He didn't have so much faith in me.
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Message 1085330 - Posted: 9 Mar 2011, 16:00:00 UTC - in response to Message 1085217.  

Hmmmmmm.... I started work at 8:00am this morning. It is now 8:30pm and I about to leave my office for home.

It is days like these that I wish I were not so emancipated, liberated and self-actualized!

lol.

Interesting fact: Although women now make up almost 50% of the workforce, they still do 90% of the housework.


I hope Eric does his fair share!
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Message 1085349 - Posted: 9 Mar 2011, 16:48:44 UTC - in response to Message 1085330.  
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Hmmmmmm.... I started work at 8:00am this morning. It is now 8:30pm and I about to leave my office for home.

It is days like these that I wish I were not so emancipated, liberated and self-actualized!

lol.

Interesting fact: Although women now make up almost 50% of the workforce, they still do 90% of the housework.


Not where i live.
Thats history for younger generations.
My son is cooking and washing dishes and has 12 hour work days.


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Message 1085376 - Posted: 9 Mar 2011, 19:54:49 UTC - in response to Message 1085349.  

Ever since the last kid went and I quit working, we try to half the house work, I think Long Sufferin' Marie still out works me by a mile.
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Message 1085588 - Posted: 10 Mar 2011, 4:39:15 UTC

Interesting fact: Although women now make up almost 50% of the workforce, they still do 90% of the housework.

I hope Eric does his fair share!


Well now Esme, I suppose the answer to that depends on your operational definition of "housework". Eric and I have a very sexist division of labor, but it plays to our individual strengths and it works quite well for the two of us.

If your definition of "housework" is a middle-class 1950's definition (cooking, cleaning, shopping, gardening etc), then you would say that I do most of the housework. If, however, you broaden your definition of "housework" to include car maintenance, chauffeuring services, financial planning and tech support, then I have to admit that I do none of these things well and I defer them ALL to 'Ole Pookers.

Modern women AND modern men can typically do all the things in both the traditional and the broadened definitions of housework. Men should be given credit for doing "housework" every time they gas the darn car, yet I suspect that studies in which it is found that women do 90% of the housework define housework in a narrow and traditional manner.

I go though much of my day largely oblivious of all the things that Eric does for the two of us, just as Eric goes much of his day probably thinking that the Blessed Virgin of Guadalupe descends each week from heaven to place clean underwear in his dresser drawers and recycle his Mountain Dew cans. It is only when Eric travels for a couple of weeks that I am painfully reminded of how very, very helpful he is with the "housework".

Am I a bad feminist because I prefer to do the "girl jobs" and I prefer to let Eric do the "boy jobs"? Perhaps... but I prefer to think that Eric and I have divided up the housework fairly evenly based upon our likes and dislikes and our individual strengths and weaknesses. Our division of labor happens to fall down a fairly traditional sexist divide, but this does not mean that one or the other of us is a less important (or a more important) contributor to the "marital team".
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Message 1085636 - Posted: 10 Mar 2011, 11:01:20 UTC

I am quite happy to carry out DIY, service the car, mow the lawn, put the vacuum around, get up in the attic, paint or wallpaper etc.

Merciful heavens Chris! That is quite a litany of manly undertakings! I think I have palpitations!!! I'm not sure I would let Ole Pookers hang wallpaper. I mean, I've seen the poor man try to put up a towel rack! That wasn't a happy day for either one of us... But yes, when it comes down to nasty little tasks like networking our home computers, can you blame me for preferring to bake cookies rather than wriggling through the crawl spaces of our home battling spiders and breathing in rat feces? It is times like these that I do so enjoy being a girl!!!

The man was 3 or 4 years older than the woman, the balance of personality strength was about equal, and they shared the partnership tasks leaning towards the traditional way.

Hmmm... we're doomed! I'm 3 years older than Eric. Also, I'm 100% Italian and he is half Finn. Now who do you think has a "stronger" personality?
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The man was 3 or 4 years older than the woman, the balance of personality strength was about equal, and they shared the partnership tasks leaning towards the traditional way.

Hmmm... we're doomed! I'm 3 years older than Eric. Also, I'm 100% Italian and he is half Finn. Now who do you think has a "stronger" personality?


ROFL You may be more volatile, but he is almost certainly more stubborn :D
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Message 1085716 - Posted: 10 Mar 2011, 15:39:44 UTC - in response to Message 1085680.  

Also, I'm 100% Italian and he is half Finn.

Oh dear! Eric the Finn! Now I can't get Hagar out of my mind .... :-)))

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p.s. You two will last longer than most! XX

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Message 1085722 - Posted: 10 Mar 2011, 15:55:31 UTC - in response to Message 1085588.  

Interesting fact: Although women now make up almost 50% of the workforce, they still do 90% of the housework.

I hope Eric does his fair share!


Well now Esme, I suppose the answer to that depends on your operational definition of "housework". Eric and I have a very sexist division of labor, but it plays to our individual strengths and it works quite well for the two of us.

If your definition of "housework" is a middle-class 1950's definition (cooking, cleaning, shopping, gardening etc), then you would say that I do most of the housework. If, however, you broaden your definition of "housework" to include car maintenance, chauffeuring services, financial planning and tech support, then I have to admit that I do none of these things well and I defer them ALL to 'Ole Pookers.

Modern women AND modern men can typically do all the things in both the traditional and the broadened definitions of housework. Men should be given credit for doing "housework" every time they gas the darn car, yet I suspect that studies in which it is found that women do 90% of the housework define housework in a narrow and traditional manner.

Well whatever works for you, but having been responsible for both in my previous long term relationship and as a single mum I can assure you that Eric is getting the better deal! LOL! In your household I'd swap the "ladies" work for the "men's" work any day.
I go though much of my day largely oblivious of all the things that Eric does for the two of us, just as Eric goes much of his day probably thinking that the Blessed Virgin of Guadalupe descends each week from heaven to place clean underwear in his dresser drawers and recycle his Mountain Dew cans. It is only when Eric travels for a couple of weeks that I am painfully reminded of how very, very helpful he is with the "housework".

I'm glad you appreciate what he does, that's probably why you've been together so long. I know I appreciate what my current partner does. I wouldn't say that things have been broken down the traditional way either. I hate cooking and he loves it, so the kitchen is firmly his domain..and that mostly includes the washing up. I pretty much take care of everything else (easy to do as I am currently not working, but I've warned him it will have to change when I am). We split the grocery shopping.

Am I a bad feminist because I prefer to do the "girl jobs" and I prefer to let Eric do the "boy jobs"? Perhaps... but I prefer to think that Eric and I have divided up the housework fairly evenly based upon our likes and dislikes and our individual strengths and weaknesses. Our division of labor happens to fall down a fairly traditional sexist divide, but this does not mean that one or the other of us is a less important (or a more important) contributor to the "marital team".

Feminism is about choice, so no you are not a bad feminist. A bad feminist would be you telling me that I should be doing what you are doing because I am a female and I have some natural ability to cook and clean. I strongly resent the assumption that cleaning the toilet is a skill and duty that depends on my chromosomes. :)

My original point is that doing the housework and all the 'traditional' roles that women perform are difficult tiring work. Now women are also going out to earn money and still left with the chores that they used to have more time to do. They should be split (however the family sees fit to split them) and there shouldn't be assumption that one gender is better at one set of chores than the other.

I'm better at general cleaning so I do that. But my partner is the cook most nights. I do the laundry most of the time simply because I have more time to do it, but if he's around he will help and he is happy to do it.

I'm better at fixing things and DIY, something I took over when I caught him angrily stabbing his grill thing with a sharp knife after a piece of chicken got stuck in it. After I had dismantled it, fixed it, and reassembled it, he realised that it was best to defer to me in this area.

More and more women are taking on "men's" work, but in a lot of households men still aren't taking on the "women's" work.
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