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Message 1079843 - Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 0:07:24 UTC

Just heard Jill Tarter on NPR, took advantage for some spreading the word.

http://sciencesprings.wordpress.com/2011/02/20/setis-jill-tarter-on-nprtuning-in-space-noise-for-sounds-of-life/
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Message 1079887 - Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 3:53:57 UTC - in response to Message 1079843.

Careful. Your title mentions Jill Tarter of "SETI@Home", but the article mentions the SETI Institute. They are two different SETI projects that have no relation to each other beyond the name of SETI.

The article doesn't help in that it mentions SETI@Home at the end of the article as a way for people to help out, but helping SETI@Home is not the same as helping the SETI Institute.

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Message 1079892 - Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 4:23:15 UTC - in response to Message 1079887.

though its pretty cool that IBM is giving a few bucks to the BOINC guys

It does seem a bit of a mish mash when they talk seti institute and then turn to "helping out" by using seti@home which clearly has nothing to do with the institute
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Message 1079912 - Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 5:47:14 UTC - in response to Message 1079892.
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though its pretty cool that IBM is giving a few bucks to the BOINC guys

It does seem a bit of a mish mash when they talk seti institute and then turn to "helping out" by using seti@home which clearly has nothing to do with the institute

Whether it was sloppy journalism or an intentional plug snuck in by a S@H supporter, if it gets attention for the project, and puts money into the S@H coffers, that's a good thing, right?

And yes, i also support the Seti Institute. In fact, I think I have a membership renewal notice around here somewhere....
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Message 1079950 - Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 10:27:25 UTC - in response to Message 1079887.

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Thanks for your comment, but could you please give me the quote where I made that error?

I checked my post from the title to the end. I do not see anywhere That Jill Tarter is connected in my post to SETI@home.

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Message 1079951 - Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 10:36:40 UTC

There is no confusion about SETI Institute vs SETI@home.

As I prepare posts for my blog, I will use any "hook" I can to spread the word about projects running on BOINC software, from SETI@home through all of the WCG projects.
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Message 1080070 - Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 17:32:22 UTC - in response to Message 1079950.

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Thanks for your comment, but could you please give me the quote where I made that error?

I checked my post from the title to the end. I do not see anywhere That Jill Tarter is connected in my post to SETI@home.

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I simply found it misleading to mention SETI@Home along with the SETI Institute without clarifying that one does not have anything to do with the other, and I think responsible journalism should note this because there are enough people out there that don't have a clue.

For example, one guy had a bad experience going to SETICon, held by the SETI Institute, feeling like he was mistreated and disrespected after having donated his CPU time to SETI@Home. He turned his anger toward the SETI@Home project after his bad ordeal because he didn't know that they are two different projects.

There have been other cases of people getting angry about the project asking for donations because they heard Paul Allen of Microsoft fame had given tons of cash for SETI research, not knowing that Paul Allen gives to the ATA (Allen Telescope Array) and I believe he also gives to the SETI Institute.

These misunderstandings could be avoided if there was enough information out there that explained that not all SETI projects are intertwined together; that they are all separate projects.

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Message 1080110 - Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 19:16:10 UTC

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Message 1080176 - Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 22:24:37 UTC

I did a wee bit of research at the SETI Institute web site. I found this page about SETI@home, http://www.seti.org/page.aspx?pid=748.

This page is all on SET@home.If you look at the page, you will see this statement: "This [SETI@home] is not part of the research program of the SETI Institute, but uses data collected with the Arecibo Radio Telescope, in Puerto Rico, as part of Project SERENDIP. The SETI Institute is a major supporter of the SERENDIP search."

The page also gives the link for SETI@home. So, SETI Institute and SETI@home are quite separate, but like many areas of basic research, their position is the more the merrier.

In working on my blog, I have found that one of the most important aspects of research - on a world wide basis - is cooperation. The best example of this is probably the LHC at CERN, where there is cooperation among over 600 scientific researchg institutions and universities around the globe to process all of the data which comes in to the ATLAS, ALICE and CMS detectors from the LHC.

I also find that many individual scientists have positions at the same time at CERN, FermiLab, maybe also Brookhaven, or Berkeley Lab, and at the same time are actually a doctoral candidate or post-doc at a university.

So, while it is absolutely correct to draw a distinction between SETI Institute and SET@home, the probability is that there is cooperation, just as, if you look at the NPR article, NASA, a government agency, took their findings to SETI Institute, a totally separate and non-governmental institution.
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Message 1080188 - Posted: 21 Feb 2011, 22:52:40 UTC

Further on this subject, if you find your way to a video, Jill Tarter: The Future of SETI Research, http://fora.tv/2010/02/23/Jill_Tarter_The_Future_of_SETI_Research, and if you go into the video to about 22'30", you will hear Jill speak glowingly about SETI@home. She is speaking about modern tools now available for SETI research that just did not exist 50 years ago when she started her work.
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Message 1080231 - Posted: 22 Feb 2011, 1:51:22 UTC - in response to Message 1080176.

Even if there is cooperation between the projects, they still aren't necessarily in conjunction with each other. We have cooperation between state governments, for example, but they are still separate entities.

While I find it great that you have found all this while researching, it does nothing to convey this to the laymen who might happen upon your article. A brief mention should be enough to make it clear to the casual reader.

But hey, if you feel that strongly about your position, and would rather defend it than understand a different view, then I'm afraid my words are falling on deaf ears and I'm wasting breath. I simply wanted to point out that they are different - because they are, and I think this is an important distinction that needs to be made. It's not my blog nor my article so I guess that's as far as I get my voice to be heard.

I'll just have to keep helping people, like that aforementioned guy, every time they have such experiences with the other projects, so I can set the record straight. It would be nice if information-givers would do this for all of us and not assume the rest of the world knows, or that it isn't relevant.

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