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Message 1077744 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 1:58:55 UTC

Oh, gee.........

And here I was half asleep and did not even notice.

The wonder of Boinc.
Gotta luv it.
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Message 1077922 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 15:45:49 UTC

Shhhh - Mark's asleep, just walk and talk quietly and the Kitties will do their things will "the boss" slumbers.
Like Mark I was surprised and pelased to see work flowing in both directions. I'm filling the tanks one at a time, and I've just got one cruncher to go, the one that (should) take the most WU to get its tanks full (and the one that was the first one to run them dry....).

Download is a bit "lumpy", but given the amount of data that's being requested I'm not taken aback by that, but am pleased by the fact that the rate of WU generation is holding so well under the strain of filling all these empty tanks.
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Message 1077980 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 18:39:48 UTC
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LOL...
The 'boss' awakened.
Only to see some serious CDS problems on my top rigs.

CDS, I hear you ask?

Can't download s--t.

Now ya know.

EDIT...
A few abuses of the retry transfer button got a few things to shift, but it is still pretty hard plowing.
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Message 1077982 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 18:44:09 UTC

Well, 7 hours ago i have started all Rigs and tried to download
a few Workunits. But after 5 hours i shut the Rigs down, because
i can't get Workunits fast enough. Maybe i give it a try on Friday...

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Message 1077985 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 18:50:12 UTC - in response to Message 1077982.  

Well, 7 hours ago i have started all Rigs and tried to download
a few Workunits. But after 5 hours i shut the Rigs down, because
i can't get Workunits fast enough. Maybe i give it a try on Friday...

Helli



My top 2 rigs are floundering about trying to get work.
With the jackass 'project backoffs' introduced into Boinc, it is pretty much fruitless.

I am gonna have to recompile my own version of Boinc without the asinine backoff syndrome.


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Message 1077987 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 18:53:50 UTC

BTW......
and a note for you all.....
I would not have expected anything less after an outage of this duration.

It is gonna take DAYS to clear.

If you see a chink in the Cricket graphs, might wanna hit the buttons then.

Otherwise, it's your chance in many thousand.

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Message 1077992 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 19:04:33 UTC

When I try to update I only obtain that:

Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:21 WET SETI@home update requested by user
Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:23 WET SETI@home Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:23 WET SETI@home Not reporting or requesting tasks
Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:30 WET SETI@home Scheduler request completed

and my computer is still without work

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Message 1078001 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 19:37:28 UTC


Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:21 WET SETI@home update requested by user
Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:23 WET SETI@home Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:23 WET SETI@home Not reporting or requesting tasks
Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:30 WET SETI@home Scheduler request completed


You need to find out why your system is not requesting work! Do you have "No new work" set for the Seti project?
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Message 1078003 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 19:42:28 UTC - in response to Message 1078001.  


Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:21 WET SETI@home update requested by user
Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:23 WET SETI@home Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:23 WET SETI@home Not reporting or requesting tasks
Qua 16 Fev 2011 18:41:30 WET SETI@home Scheduler request completed


You need to find out why your system is not requesting work! Do you have "No new work" set for the Seti project?

I suspect it is like mine......
Too many hung downloads will suspend work requests.
If it don't get, it don't ask.
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Message 1078004 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 19:43:01 UTC

Looking at the server graphs;
http://bluenorthernsoftware.com/scarecrow/sahstats/graphs.php
The number of results out in the field has been increasing fairly constantly over the past hours. The rate is at around an additional 66000 units per hour.
The number of results coming in every hour has been fairly constant for several hours now after the initial peak and is sitting neatly at about 33000 per hour.
The result creation rate has been sitting around 30 per second or 108,000 per hour so it is looking like for every 3 units served out, 1 has been crunched and is being returned. The other two are going into caches.
By this reckoning it's going to take a good three more days to fill a 10 day cache.

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Message 1078017 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 19:53:40 UTC

Ouch. I think I might have spoken too soon. It looks like the splitters are down...
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Message 1078061 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 21:27:49 UTC

I think something is a miss with downloads
They start ... then quit (maybe a time out)
for me I don't get why a transfer once started does that
Something is perpetuating the resend loop... WHY

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Message 1078066 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 21:34:35 UTC - in response to Message 1078061.  

I think something is a miss with downloads
They start ... then quit (maybe a time out)
for me I don't get why a transfer once started does that
Something is perpetuating the resend loop... WHY

It is the fricking backoff in Boinc.

Once a down or upload stalls, it will retry.
Except Boinc adds a timout.
Which can be several hours.

And then it will not attempt the download again for that many hours.


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Message 1078070 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 21:48:09 UTC - in response to Message 1078066.  

I think something is a miss with downloads
They start ... then quit (maybe a time out)
for me I don't get why a transfer once started does that
Something is perpetuating the resend loop... WHY

It is the fricking backoff in Boinc.

No, it's not.
The problem with downloads once started is the same reason as the difficulty in getting them in the first place. Extreme network traffic load.

Of course if more people had clients with the fricking backoff, it wouldn't be such a big probblem for so long.
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Message 1078074 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 21:51:54 UTC

here it´s reporting ~ 2:00 to 2:12 hours by now
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Message 1078076 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 21:55:45 UTC - in response to Message 1078074.  

here it´s reporting ~ 2:00 to 2:12 hours by now


You could leave it, or you could sit there & hit retry till they've all downloaded, or you could do what i've been doing.
Hit retry till you've got enough work to keep the system busy for a couple of hours. Then just let it go & check back in a couple of hours & continue from there.
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Message 1078078 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 21:58:20 UTC - in response to Message 1078076.  

sure .. mny thx, just let it run is that´s what i´m doing (watching a bit what happens). post was thought as info; btw. on the other machine it´s reporting "no tasks available ..
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Message 1078083 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 22:07:49 UTC - in response to Message 1078078.  

btw. on the other machine it´s reporting "no tasks available ..

I was getting that early on for a couple of hours also.
2 systems running off of the same router/modem. One would get work allocated on most requests, the other "No tasks available..".
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Message 1078086 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 22:10:38 UTC - in response to Message 1078083.  

btw. on the other machine it´s reporting "no tasks available ..

I was getting that early on for a couple of hours also.
2 systems running off of the same router/modem. One would get work allocated on most requests, the other "No tasks available..".

Cricket is maxxed out.

Things will not settle down for a few days at best.

The kitties are in standby mode here. Will auto retry every few hours until they can get through.
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Message 1078121 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 23:19:38 UTC - in response to Message 1078066.  

I think something is a miss with downloads
They start ... then quit (maybe a time out)
for me I don't get why a transfer once started does that
Something is perpetuating the resend loop... WHY

It is the fricking backoff in Boinc.

Once a down or upload stalls, it will retry.
Except Boinc adds a timout.
Which can be several hours.

And then it will not attempt the download again for that many hours.



That does not explain anything

Why should it STALL at all
If I got a connection path What BS is preventing this pidally transfer
It not giga bytes

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