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Message 1083103 - Posted: 3 Mar 2011, 1:09:00 UTC
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This series has got to be just one of the best sets of UFO vids ever taken... Excellent work!

And all whilst just on holiday in Haiti...


Haiti UFO

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Haiti UFO ... Slow Motion and Enhanced Stills

UFO OVER HAITI ... ANALYSIS OF THE TREES


What do you think?

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Message 1083660 - Posted: 4 Mar 2011, 22:31:57 UTC - in response to Message 1077971.
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It's a hoax. There are strong artifacts in the videos that show that they were altered using commercial video editing software. Then there's the fact that despite the incredible brightness of the UFO, it doesn't cast any illumination on the ground or the dome of the rock. There's a good description here. I think that shows that the people who made the videos are at a minimum being deceptive.

Add to that the fact that nobody else in Jerusalem but the anonymous cameramen seems to have seen it. Nobody phoned the authorities about this sightings. Jerusalem is a big town. You would think some other people would be looking in that direction.

Some people claim that it's supposed to be a viral promo to generate buzz for an upcoming movie about an alien invasion.


In order to save them from shock, parents usually drop hints that Santa's not real and let their kids figure it out. I believe some of the hoax videos are created to gauge the public's reaction, while providing deniability in case they take badly to them.

Do you have an opinion about Dr. Tom Van Flandern's presentation?

Again, I am the first to assert that there is no cover-up whatsoever. Governments have practically stated outright that aliens are visiting earth. That isn't a cover-up.

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Message 1092832 - Posted: 3 Apr 2011, 0:03:44 UTC - in response to Message 1074378.

The conspiracy theorists show several signs of impossibly looped logic:

1. Take bits of information and add them up to the assumption made

2. When confronted with skepticism, accuse denialism

3. When confronted with facts, claim they "don't get it"

4. When proven wrong, return to group of conspiracy for support, reassurance, and more fact-twisting. Return to number 1.



HA! I LOVE IT! Had me laughing out loud to myself.

Only thing wrong I feel is, "Return to number 1", should be number 5. ;-)

This is not to say I don't believe in UFOs. On the contrary, I saw one when I was 8 years old and my "X-files" style "flying saucer" poster says, "I Do Believe!".

However, not everything strange or unexplainable seen in the sky by people, which an observer thinks is a UFO, takes photos of it, or perhaps video records it, IS a true UFO!

There's just too many wackos out there, who cause hindrance and harm to the serious investigation of the phenomena. :-(
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Message 1116233 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 13:02:12 UTC

Fake methinks!

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Message 1116239 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 13:22:04 UTC - in response to Message 1083103.

This series has got to be just one of the best sets of UFO vids ever taken... Excellent work!

And all whilst just on holiday in Haiti...


Haiti UFO

UFO Haiti

Haiti UFO ... Slow Motion and Enhanced Stills

UFO OVER HAITI ... ANALYSIS OF THE TREES


What do you think?

Keep searchin',
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These videos have been proven a CGI hoax.
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Message 1116253 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 14:01:43 UTC - in response to Message 1116239.

you mean the palm trees in Haiti don't all have the same leaf pattern. For shame thats just lazy hoaxing
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Message 1116330 - Posted: 12 Jun 2011, 17:01:19 UTC

99.9% of all UFO sightings can be logically explained. What is worrying the Governments of the worlds Major powers is the 0.1% that has no logical explanation even with modern science. They couldn't care less whether there are little green men or not from a scientific or humanitarian viewpoint.

All they want to know is does it present a threat to their national security, and if they can capture some of it, can it be reverse engineered to give them a global advantage. That is why lip service is being paid to ET searches.

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Message 1116584 - Posted: 13 Jun 2011, 8:27:16 UTC

How I wish I had a camera the day I seen my puzzlement in the sky. It would have been a great chance to have my own authentic fuzzy UFO pic.

Fortunately, the wind was favorable and blew the shiny black object with strange writing my direction enough for it to become an 'IFO'. I was able to recognize the insignia:




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Message 1116712 - Posted: 13 Jun 2011, 16:15:48 UTC - in response to Message 1116330.

99.9% of all UFO sightings can be logically explained. What is worrying the Governments of the worlds Major powers is the 0.1% that has no logical explanation even with modern science. They couldn't care less whether there are little green men or not from a scientific or humanitarian viewpoint.

All they want to know is does it present a threat to their national security, and if they can capture some of it, can it be reverse engineered to give them a global advantage. That is why lip service is being paid to ET searches.

actually nearly 100%. 0.1% is being generous. Its far likely the ones that can't be determined were faked either by the witness or by a 3rd party
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Message 1116937 - Posted: 14 Jun 2011, 8:37:46 UTC - in response to Message 1077971.
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It's a hoax. There are strong artifacts in the videos that show that they were altered using commercial video editing software. Then there's the fact that despite the incredible brightness of the UFO, it doesn't cast any illumination on the ground or the dome of the rock. There's a good description here. I think that shows that the people who made the videos are at a minimum being deceptive.

Add to that the fact that nobody else in Jerusalem but the anonymous cameramen seems to have seen it. Nobody phoned the authorities about this sightings. Jerusalem is a big town. You would think some other people would be looking in that direction.

Some people claim that it's supposed to be a viral promo to generate buzz for an upcoming movie about an alien invasion.

This is really a terrible attempt at debunking this particular sighting. They just claim there should be a reflection, the city lights should be blinking, or there should've been more witnesses (even though it was after 1AM in the Middle East, of all places). If these videos are clearly fakes, then they should easily be able to provide a legitimate explanation or point out legitimate discrepancies in all videos.

I'm not saying with 100% certainty that this is a 'UFO from outer space', but there's nothing in at least 3 of the videos that points to it being a hoax. The only possible or likely fake (which I started becoming skeptical of the more I viewed it) is the close-up video, but that could easily be a deliberate fake. However, there's nothing in the other 3 videos that clearly point to a hoax. All 3 are in sync, and the most convincing details are in the 2 videos shot from the same group of people. Just look closer at the timing and the angles from those 2 videos. If you pay attention to the guy with the cell phone in the first video, you'll see that his slightly different vantage point, his side-to-side body movement, and the rate in watch he lowers his phone 'below' and 'above' his head are in complete and total sync with the actual footage shot in the first video.

I'd actually be skeptical of any single one of these videos if they stood alone, but the 3 videos together (excluding the close-up) make me think otherwise.

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Message 1116942 - Posted: 14 Jun 2011, 9:04:01 UTC - in response to Message 1116937.

"Fake, Fake, Fake"

To quote Elaine Benes from the TV sitcom Seinfeld.

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Message 1116951 - Posted: 14 Jun 2011, 9:44:30 UTC

Please give me some definitive proof so I can agree with you!

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Message 1116953 - Posted: 14 Jun 2011, 10:09:38 UTC - in response to Message 1116951.
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http://www.spike.com/video-clips/43zh0g/seinfeld-seasons-5-6-giftset-the-mango

also: you could ask the creator of the video to come clean.

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Message 1116963 - Posted: 14 Jun 2011, 10:48:33 UTC - in response to Message 1116953.

http://www.spike.com/video-clips/43zh0g/seinfeld-seasons-5-6-giftset-the-mango

also: you could ask the creator of the video to come clean.


Guilty til proven innocent... got it! Kind of like Saddam and those WMD's that were never found after 9/11.

Sorry to disagree with you, but the burden of proof lies on the skeptics, plain and simple!

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Message 1116973 - Posted: 14 Jun 2011, 12:19:22 UTC - in response to Message 1116963.

why wouldnt the Israeli military say something. Heck the run patrols 24/7. not one mention. all the other tourists in town didn't notice either. And why would this "tourist" be hanging around on a deserted hillside in the middle of the night in a very dangerous town. Perhaps hes a native and was creating a fake video.

Let's not forget that Eric posted a website that has video editing experts and they are quick to call it fake. I don't see or hear any other video experts claiming that its not fake.
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Message 1116974 - Posted: 14 Jun 2011, 12:22:38 UTC - in response to Message 1116937.

This is really a terrible attempt at debunking this particular sighting. They just claim there should be a reflection, the city lights should be blinking, or there should've been more witnesses (even though it was after 1AM in the Middle East, of all places). If these videos are clearly fakes, then they should easily be able to provide a legitimate explanation or point out legitimate discrepancies in all videos.


I don't know, that little think called physics always gets in the way. What you are calling a "lame attempt" is precisely what any scientist would be looking for in "proof" caught in a video shoot.

Sorry to disagree with you, but the burden of proof lies on the skeptics, plain and simple!


No, you have that backwards. The burden of proof lies in the claimee. If anyone is claiming that the video is real, they must provide proof. You have to provide irrefutable evidence for your claim in order for it to be accepted. It never works the other way around; you can't just shoot a video and tell everyone else to disprove it. It doesn't work that way in a scientific community.

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Message 1117280 - Posted: 15 Jun 2011, 12:09:31 UTC - in response to Message 1116974.

Whether the video is real or fake is just a possible answer to what the object is. Even an authentic video doesn't mean squat. The lack of identifying the object isn't proof that its origin is alien.
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Message 1117310 - Posted: 15 Jun 2011, 14:32:53 UTC

One of the fundamental problems here is peoples natural assumption. When a UFO appears, and is documented, and investigated, and there is no explantion for it within our knowlege, it is automatically assumed to be of extraterestrial origin.

UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object, it means that those observing it cannot explain what it is. It could have originated from earth, it may not have done, they simply don't know. All major countries in the world have military research programmes developing weapons and surveillance devices, but they are hardly likely to say, oh yes that was our top secret XYZ123 spy plane are they?

Space comics, science fiction, and the popular press, have conditioned people to associate UFO's with flying saucers or other alien craft, sells newspapers and books.

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Message 1122557 - Posted: 29 Jun 2011, 1:00:32 UTC - in response to Message 1117310.

We will know about ET, in let's say 2031.

A top Russian astronomer claimed Monday that humans will encounter extraterrestrial life by 2031.

"Life exists on other planets and we will find it within 20 years," the scientist Andrei Finkelstein said, according to the Interfax News Agency.

~more~

SETI is also mentioned.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/28/alien-encounter-by-2031_n_886111.html
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Message 1122577 - Posted: 29 Jun 2011, 2:23:15 UTC - in response to Message 1122557.

From that article.

The astronomer added that 10 percent of known planets circling suns in the galaxy resemble Earth,

We have no such proof. we barely know of about 350 extrasolar planets. Most of those planets are as large or larger than Jupiter. where he gets 10% is beyond me. He regretfully misses that aliens might only live in the "habitable" zone around these planets. By far most of the smaller planets are far to close to their stars to be habitable and we can barely see or find planets 3X our own. So to assume that 10% are earth size is just crazy and not based in science
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