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BentStar Send message Joined: 20 Mar 04 Posts: 68 Credit: 126,979 RAC: 0	Message 1073004 - Posted: 1 Feb 2011, 6:17:34 UTC Last modified: 1 Feb 2011, 6:18:27 UTC
	These videos are very interesting to say the least. They were shot over Jerusalem's Dome of the Rock - Temple Mount. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-bNOy_CKQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY2FFEufsuY&feature=related
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Michael Watson Send message Joined: 7 Feb 08 Posts: 425 Credit: 170,346 RAC: 34	Message 1073165 - Posted: 1 Feb 2011, 16:04:11 UTC Last modified: 1 Feb 2011, 16:10:09 UTC
	As you might guess, these videos, and discussion of them, are all over the internet. I've yet to read a convincing explanation for what is shown. An interesting coincidence, that a UFO should appear directly over the Dome of the Rock, a highly important Muslim shrine, when so much is happening in the Muslim world at the moment. The downward plummeting of the object reminded me of a UFO I saw many years ago. I watched a bright hovering, soundless object expel two smaller objects, one after the other, which moved rapidly toward the ground. Michael
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William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 2124 Credit: 1,088,132 RAC: 145	Message 1073229 - Posted: 1 Feb 2011, 23:08:35 UTC - in response to Message 1073165. Last modified: 1 Feb 2011, 23:09:23 UTC
	Obviously altered video. Why no photos or other reports from the community?
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William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 2124 Credit: 1,088,132 RAC: 145	Message 1073230 - Posted: 1 Feb 2011, 23:08:42 UTC - in response to Message 1073165. Last modified: 1 Feb 2011, 23:11:23 UTC
	More of questionable photo or video evidence ??
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BentStar Send message Joined: 20 Mar 04 Posts: 68 Credit: 126,979 RAC: 0	Message 1073277 - Posted: 2 Feb 2011, 1:59:31 UTC Last modified: 2 Feb 2011, 2:17:43 UTC
	There's a guy standing at the bottom of the first video linked in my initial post who looks to be recording with his cell phone camera. That cell phone video has now hit the internet and has been synchronized with the other video. Just follow the movement of the guy in the first video with the camera movement in the second video, and it appears to match up. Cell phone video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a89NLhHS7Mw 1st and 2nd video side by side: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwp_WHFhA4A
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Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 922 Credit: 99,014 RAC: 175	Message 1073284 - Posted: 2 Feb 2011, 2:23:43 UTC Last modified: 2 Feb 2011, 2:46:41 UTC
	If someone manage to release cctv versions of this Israeli incident would be more interesting. Obviously as important public venue there are more than several cctv's likely to record the building nonstop. Last year there were numerous incidents happened in China, what was that?! Because not much believable medias were released yet actually air traffic disrupted several times in several cities. The official explanation was military test then how many military decision makers would decide to conduct military tests right at own civilian air traffic zone?! http://abcnews.go.com/International/video/ufo-over-chinese-airport-prompts-probe-11172511 - The whole point is in this case human action disruption actually proved something several times, even confirmed with official source. ____________ Mandtugai!
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BentStar Send message Joined: 20 Mar 04 Posts: 68 Credit: 126,979 RAC: 0	Message 1073756 - Posted: 3 Feb 2011, 10:45:08 UTC - in response to Message 1073284.
	If someone manage to release cctv versions of this Israeli incident would be more interesting. Obviously as important public venue there are more than several cctv's likely to record the building nonstop. Last year there were numerous incidents happened in China, what was that?! Because not much believable medias were released yet actually air traffic disrupted several times in several cities. The official explanation was military test then how many military decision makers would decide to conduct military tests right at own civilian air traffic zone?! http://abcnews.go.com/International/video/ufo-over-chinese-airport-prompts-probe-11172511 - The whole point is in this case human action disruption actually proved something several times, even confirmed with official source. No cctv footage just gives more credibility to the 'conspiracy' theorists, so they'll probably come up with an explanation in the coming weeks. IMO, this is a very sensitive subject among the religious, and since it appears to be very difficult to debunk and/or explain, most are just hoping the mainstream media continues to ignore it and shove it under the rug.
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BentStar Send message Joined: 20 Mar 04 Posts: 68 Credit: 126,979 RAC: 0	Message 1073758 - Posted: 3 Feb 2011, 11:01:10 UTC
	I just wanted to add that I've seen many a 'UFO' footage and most if not ALL can be easily explained and/or dismissed as natural phenomena or hoax. BUT, these particular videos in Jerusalem have me stumped and would have to have been made by people that make the special effects guys in Hollywood look like monkeys. These 3 separate videos all synch and match up, and appear to be the most legit footage of a possible UFO to date.
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Rick Send message Joined: 7 Sep 99 Posts: 46 Credit: 271,541 RAC: 0	Message 1074269 - Posted: 5 Feb 2011, 6:42:44 UTC - in response to Message 1073758.
	The cynics show classic stages of grief: denial - presume something is impossible anger - just read the vulgar comments on youtube bargaining - endlessly rationalize with far-reaching logic and non sequiturs depression - it's no fun being wrong... acceptance - ?
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 18,015,222 RAC: 55,389	Message 1074378 - Posted: 5 Feb 2011, 15:45:45 UTC - in response to Message 1074269.
	The conspiracy theorists show several signs of impossibly looped logic: 1. Take bits of information and add them up to the assumption made 2. When confronted with skepticism, accuse denialism 3. When confronted with facts, claim they "don't get it" 4. When proven wrong, return to group of conspiracy for support, reassurance, and more fact-twisting. Return to number 1.
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Rick Send message Joined: 7 Sep 99 Posts: 46 Credit: 271,541 RAC: 0	Message 1074515 - Posted: 5 Feb 2011, 22:29:04 UTC - in response to Message 1074378. Last modified: 5 Feb 2011, 22:34:16 UTC
	What conspiracy? Highly credible officials and scientists are very open about the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtmpaM0PqyI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=62444 The only conspiracy is the one claiming (that we claim) governments still cover up UFO sightings, and that all of these people are lying. That's quite a theory.
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Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 922 Credit: 99,014 RAC: 175	Message 1074562 - Posted: 6 Feb 2011, 0:53:52 UTC Last modified: 6 Feb 2011, 1:20:53 UTC
	Here is a briefer version that being made just 4 months ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1UyNG_93V8 Maybe if these officers are fake then Ufo is fake if these officers are real former nuclear service officers then Ufo is serious stuff. At the time except russian satellites there is no one else had a chance to get closer to those stuffs. ____________ Mandtugai!
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 18,015,222 RAC: 55,389	Message 1074574 - Posted: 6 Feb 2011, 1:34:57 UTC - in response to Message 1074515.
	What conspiracy? Highly credible officials and scientists are very open about the subject: As they should be. Let's just not jump to conclusions. We should instead let the evidence and data point us there. The only conspiracy is the one claiming (that we claim) governments still cover up UFO sightings, and that all of these people are lying. That's quite a theory. I don't recall saying that anyone was lying about anything. I think people should reserve their conclusions until we have hard data is all.
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BentStar Send message Joined: 20 Mar 04 Posts: 68 Credit: 126,979 RAC: 0	Message 1077842 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 9:53:52 UTC - in response to Message 1074574. Last modified: 16 Feb 2011, 10:05:28 UTC
	All I'm saying is that not one single 'skeptic' can or has provided a single LOGICAL explanation for what happened in Jerusalem. All I'm wondering is - GOVT or ET??? I'm open for suggestions. Here's another video from an apparent 4th perspective showing clearer footage of the red lights up above towards the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buOJt32n2C4
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Eric Korpela Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 952 Credit: 5,668,792 RAC: 5,963	Message 1077971 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 18:26:14 UTC - in response to Message 1077842.
	It's a hoax. There are strong artifacts in the videos that show that they were altered using commercial video editing software. Then there's the fact that despite the incredible brightness of the UFO, it doesn't cast any illumination on the ground or the dome of the rock. There's a good description here. I think that shows that the people who made the videos are at a minimum being deceptive. Add to that the fact that nobody else in Jerusalem but the anonymous cameramen seems to have seen it. Nobody phoned the authorities about this sightings. Jerusalem is a big town. You would think some other people would be looking in that direction. Some people claim that it's supposed to be a viral promo to generate buzz for an upcoming movie about an alien invasion. ____________
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 18,015,222 RAC: 55,389	Message 1078062 - Posted: 16 Feb 2011, 21:29:19 UTC - in response to Message 1077971.
	Well then, it looks like it was fake after all. It may not have been a conspiracy, but it seems the UFO conspiracists ate it up as simple "proof" without verified data - as always.
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Orgil Send message Joined: 3 Aug 05 Posts: 922 Credit: 99,014 RAC: 175	Message 1078176 - Posted: 17 Feb 2011, 1:33:53 UTC Last modified: 17 Feb 2011, 1:44:24 UTC
	Eric for that Jerusalem video let's pretty much consider them as hoax but then later provided these videos show that former nuclear missile service officers claiming serious ufo encounters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtmpaM0PqyI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=62444 Now we are understanding that during 50's 60's it was definately knife in baby's hand situation so something non Russian sophisticated things seriously caused trouble to American Nuclear service soldiers at the time. The point is Pentagon could not deny these officers for the last 3 years. Because non military civilians are very easily to be to discredited and denied but these particular nuclear and air force officers pretty much oath given people who are fighting against their oath because what they are claiming is seriously non american and non russian state secret. that is the point. ____________ Mandtugai!
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 18,015,222 RAC: 55,389	Message 1078191 - Posted: 17 Feb 2011, 2:55:10 UTC - in response to Message 1078176.
	Just because you're formerly of the military, or any other form or branch of the government, doesn't mean you can't suffer from basic things that any other person does. That includes falling for conspiracies. Don't be fooled into thinking that people from "official" positions can't be mere human, or that it somehow endorses their personal positions and opinions.
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Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 578 Credit: 196,519 RAC: 164	Message 1079590 - Posted: 20 Feb 2011, 1:30:58 UTC - in response to Message 1078191.
	Numerous UFOs near O'hare Airport 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeIc9XpNjGc&feature=player_embedded
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 18,015,222 RAC: 55,389	Message 1079651 - Posted: 20 Feb 2011, 8:57:52 UTC - in response to Message 1079590.
	I can't tell if they're getting a kick out of the UFO paranoia that's out there or if they're truly that ignorant that they don't know what those simple lights are. I can ride down to O'Haire on any given night and take a shot of those exact lights. I know right where they're standing too. To think there's still some people who don't know how the internet works. No surprise that people are easily fooled by bad footage of a few lights in the sky.
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