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HireMe.geek.nz Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 22 May 99 Posts: 29 Credit: 173,068 RAC: 125 |
10.0 GHz to 10.5 GHz search band : Why not search here... Amateur use of the band it limited, and in Australia, and maybe the US it may be possible to get a transmission ban within 100 km of the radio telescope doing the search. 10 GHz is close to Pi x e Pi x e = 3.14159... x 2.71... ~= 8.513716091228 Not exactly 10 GHz, but like WWV + WWVH + BPM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Time_signal_stations It may be an important time and frequency segment to use for deep space telecom. Myself, I think the CCSDS should use about 20 MHz of the band for Uplink and Downlink for craft visiting Jupiter to Eris. The 7 GHz band the CCSDS uses now is somewhat crowded and some transmission time rationing is used on selected channels. |
Mike Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 30874 Credit: 59,999,629 RAC: 24,039 |
I do wonder what happend to southern hemisphere search using parks telescope. There was plans using it back then. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
tullio Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 6503 Credit: 1,842,172 RAC: 2,388 |
Einstein@home is using it for its binary pulsar search. Tullio I just started my first search in the southern sky. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3335 Credit: 1,322,163 RAC: 0 |
Another fact, though, about X-band (10GHZ) is that water vapor absorbs this frequency band very well. That is why there is so much x-band stuff around since the Air Force designed their RADAR at this frequency only to find this out. Looking above the atmosphere--out in space --might be a good idea but water vapor from an originating site would tend to attenuate the signal strength escaping into space as well. |
C Olival Send message Joined: 6 Sep 10 Posts: 209 Credit: 10,675 RAC: 0 |
SETI focus on radio signals, and lasers for the detection of alien interstaler communication; however, can such things as gamma rays, x rays, ultraviolet, infrared, be used also as carriers for sending information. Could gravity lensing be used on SETI search, any thoughts the above |
Odysseus Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Jul 99 Posts: 1807 Credit: 5,237,789 RAC: 1,791 |
10 GHz is close to Pi x e Even ignoring a 15% error in the mathematical constants, which is ludicrous, you have to assume ETs to be using hertz and decimal notation. IMO the former is extremely unlikely—it would be an astonishing coincidence for their unit of time to be the same as ours—and the latter has no basis but anthropocentrism. |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9529 Credit: 44,436,947 RAC: 0 |
what I dont get is that we assume the RT's are using base 10 calculations what if they have 8 fingers or 12 they'd probably not get into the same decimal system. We are culture blind to this and we make assumptions that are possibly and probably incorrect In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3335 Credit: 1,322,163 RAC: 0 |
pi is a ratio which we could translate to base 10. The Babyloanians used base 60 probably since it divides by so many numbers. Therefore wouldn't the hydrogen Lyman line have the same number of cycles as ours (don't confuse numerals with numbers) and this number times pi would be the same number as ours as would just the Lyman frequency as well. |
Odysseus Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Jul 99 Posts: 1807 Credit: 5,237,789 RAC: 1,791 |
Yes, any fundamental physical property could be the basis for a ‘universal code’ of some kind, as long as no purely conventional measures or notations are introduced to disguise the ‘symbols’. The more complex a pattern is, the harder it becomes to distinguish from a chaotic background. |
Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 3093 Credit: 2,652,287 RAC: 0 |
10 GHz is close to Pi x e Forgive my lack of science education. What does the "e" stand for? If the "e" is energy, energy of what? John. |
tullio Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 6503 Credit: 1,842,172 RAC: 2,388 |
If I remember from my youthful studies, it is the basis of natural logarithms. Tullio |
Odysseus Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Jul 99 Posts: 1807 Credit: 5,237,789 RAC: 1,791 |
Yes: Euler’s number is a fundamental & important mathematical constant, the base of the exponential function exp(x), of which the natural logarithm function ln(x) is the inverse. My favourite definition for e—just one of several—is that it’s the limit, as n tends to infinity, of (1 + 1/n) raised to the nth power. (Sorry for the verbosity: BBCode seems to lack tags for sub- and superscripts.) It’s a transcendental number, like π; its first few digits are 2.718281828459. This constant appears frequently in calculus, laws of growth & decay, and the hyperbolic trigonometric functions sinh(x), cosh(x), tanh(x), &c. |
Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 3093 Credit: 2,652,287 RAC: 0 |
Yes: Euler’s number is a fundamental & important mathematical constant, the base of the exponential function exp(x), of which the natural logarithm function ln(x) is the inverse. My favourite definition for e—just one of several—is that it’s the limit, as n tends to infinity, of (1 + 1/n) raised to the nth power. (Sorry for the verbosity: BBCode seems to lack tags for sub- and superscripts.) It’s a transcendental number, like π; its first few digits are 2.718281828459. This constant appears frequently in calculus, laws of growth & decay, and the hyperbolic trigonometric functions sinh(x), cosh(x), tanh(x), &c. Thanks Odysseus and Tullio! Now everything is much clearer! Its so clear, its like muddy water. So i guess if the aliens think anything like me, they won't know what it is either! Yes, if i was an alien wanting to broadcast to the whole universe, i would pick a random complex mathematical constant, that might not be constant, then multiply that by Pi to complicate it further, then divide it by the Nth term given by X(3.14n(n x n^6)+x-x^2). Yep, then everyone will know i'm here! Its obvious really ....LOL I'm kinda glad SETI@home just stick to the hydrogen line, nice and simple, even if it never succeeds! John. |
Odysseus Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Jul 99 Posts: 1807 Credit: 5,237,789 RAC: 1,791 |
Yes, if i was an alien wanting to broadcast to the whole universe, i would pick a random complex mathematical constant, that might not be constant, then multiply that by Pi to complicate it further, then divide it by the Nth term given by X(3.14n(n x n^6)+x-x^2). I agree entirely; the KISS Principle should apply … unless (as in some SF plots) we imagine the ETs to be setting a puzzle, not being interested in communicating with anyone who can’t solve it … |
tullio Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 6503 Credit: 1,842,172 RAC: 2,388 |
In "Turandot" by Giacomo Puccini the Princess will marry the one who solves a puzzle. But if anyone tries and does not succeed he will be put to death. Are we trying to solve a puzzle? Tullio |
Computer Frenzy Fix Send message Joined: 4 Nov 10 Posts: 6 Credit: 15,701 RAC: 0 |
in the bandwidth auctions, SETI or anything related won't beat T-Mobile, and this is the downfall of capitalism. if we continue on this current path, we will never abandon fossil fuels, develop economic nuclear fusion power or prosper as an intelligent species. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3335 Credit: 1,322,163 RAC: 0 |
We don't need fusion which requires hundreds of millions of degrees. Fission is just fine. We should be able to generate Plutonium in a breeder reactor and there is plenty of uranium around for which we can enrich to U-235 (about only 3% for reactors from .7% occurring naturally.) |
tullio Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 6503 Credit: 1,842,172 RAC: 2,388 |
Superphenix has been shutdown, as all breeders. Only Japan is still planning a breeder, against much opposition. Tullio |
ML1 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 9401 Credit: 7,215,832 RAC: 984 |
We don't need fusion which requires hundreds of millions of degrees. However, fusion is even more efficient than fission and so promises to offer yet cheaper power. However, as is often the case with big new technology, development is going to be an expensive (ad)venture. Look up ITER. Fission is just fine. We should be able to generate Plutonium in a breeder reactor and there is plenty of uranium around for which we can enrich to U-235 (about only 3% for reactors from .7% occurring naturally.) Hopefully, the latest generation of fission reactor design will prove to be much better than the early rushed military designs. Interestingly, China is looking to use thorium as a fission material for their fission reactors. Lets hope that there is not a repeat of the disastrous circumstances that lead up to Chernobyl. Newer designs should be made to be inherently safe... Aside and back on-topic: An inherent assumption to the search we're making with SETI is that whatever ET deliberately wants to be found. Broadcasting a beacon of the type that we can detect is very expensive in energy. Would we pay to broadcast a continuous beacon for ET to find us? Perhaps a more likely alternative would be to engineer a transmitter on some moon in a high planetary (or star) magnetic field to convert the orbital velocity via interaction with the magnetic field into a naturally high power transmission... That is, create a tuned artificial pulsar! Could we do that for our moon passing through the earth's solar tail?... Keep searchin! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
C Olival Send message Joined: 6 Sep 10 Posts: 209 Credit: 10,675 RAC: 0 |
The issue with fission is its high content of nuclear waste,while fusion does not present that problem at all, and fusion reactors would be an ideal propulsion engine for space exploration. A human fligh to Mars would take months on craft that would use fusion propultion, and a probe on fusion propulsion would reach the Alpha Centauri system in a human lifetime; while fission does not offer that. |
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