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Message 1062023 - Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 18:29:26 UTC
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Good day all and Happy New Year!
I just wanted to drop a note that the complete server donation from our group will be shipped to the lab today. Synergy will be making its journey to California via FedEx Ground so it should be there end of next week.

The following people made this happen:


    SciManSteve
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    Todd Hebert
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We would encourage other groups of any size to band together to help meet the needs of this project now and going forward into the future.

Together we can all make this the best project around.

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Message 1062028 - Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 18:42:06 UTC - in response to Message 1062023.

Congrats to the GPU Users Group !!

Happy New Year to all of you.

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Message 1062040 - Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 19:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 1062023.

Together we can all make this the best project around.


But, but, but, this already is the best project around!!

Thank you GPU Users Group from all of us out here. You have done a fantastic job.

Happy New Year to all!
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Message 1062057 - Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 20:07:31 UTC - in response to Message 1062040.

Oops, I forgot that - must be end of the year brain drain - or only getting 4 hours of sleep. Guess that one is still up in the air. Merry New Year to all - and to all a safe night!
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Together we can all make this the best project around.


But, but, but, this already is the best project around!!

Thank you GPU Users Group from all of us out here. You have done a fantastic job.

Happy New Year to all!


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Message 1062069 - Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 20:31:13 UTC

What would be amazing, and I throw the challenge out to individuals and the other teams, would be to donate enough cash to double the ram on 'Synergy'. Todd, if you would like to post the specs somewhere, I would like to see pledges to bring the ram up to the same amount as Oscar and Carolyn.

Then we would have 3 servers of almost identical specifications, and able to balance the workload between them, with support from the older servers.

'Synergy' currently has 48Gig of ram. Can we get it doubled up?

A Happy New Year to you all.

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Message 1062098 - Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 21:41:57 UTC - in response to Message 1062069.
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What would be amazing, and I throw the challenge out to individuals and the other teams, would be to donate enough cash to double the ram on 'Synergy'. Todd, if you would like to post the specs somewhere, I would like to see pledges to bring the ram up to the same amount as Oscar and Carolyn.

Then we would have 3 servers of almost identical specifications, and able to balance the workload between them, with support from the older servers.

'Synergy' currently has 48Gig of ram. Can we get it doubled up?

A Happy New Year to you all.

Giz.


Not sure what they used, how much was paid, or the size of the sticks and speed. But I purchased 24GB of DDr3 1066 about a month ago and paid over $600 for ECC register memory. Higher end memory from a major manufacturer like crucial or kingston can run as high as $370 per 8GB. It would also depend on the number of memory slots they have in the server. The ram I bought was 3x8GB, but the motherboard has 12 slots.

If he has the same type of setup in that server then you would be looking at a number between $1200 - $4000 depending on if it's DDr3 1066, what brand, and if the server actually has room for it.
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Message 1062140 - Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 22:56:59 UTC - in response to Message 1062098.

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The server has 6 slots free as its half full of ram 6x8 - 48gig

larger sticks are in short supply at the moment and hence high prices

Todd will be able to give the specifics on the sticks we bought as i think he changed supplier from the one i have details on - so will let him confirm in the new year

i would estimate we are looking at the lower to mid range of your estimate - depending when we buy and what discount can be negotiated :)
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Message 1062141 - Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 22:59:33 UTC - in response to Message 1062140.
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(Sorry Tim I didn't see your post. Are you sure Todd didn't get all 6 sticks? And I guess I should have read a little slower, you're saying it can take twelve sticks!)

Todd posted the specs a couple of days ago over in the tech forum...

These are the server specifications:
Intel SR2600UR Barebones Server
Intel SAS RAID Card with 8 Ports (SAS6/SATA6)
5 Seagate Constellation 1TB 6Gb/SAS Hard Drives 7200 RPM
48GB of Kingston DDR3-1066 Reg & ECC RAM (6-8GB Sticks)
Intel Slim-Line DVD-ROM Drive
Intel E5649 2.53Ghz Hex-Core CPU's (X2)
750 watt Dual Redundant Power Supplies
Front Panel Bezel to make it look pretty

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Message 1062151 - Posted: 31 Dec 2010, 23:15:11 UTC - in response to Message 1062141.

Yep as its got 2 cpu's it has 12 ram slots and 6 are awaiting some ram :)

so Kingston ram it is then as we will need to match the ram to avoid any problems with differences
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Message 1062197 - Posted: 1 Jan 2011, 0:30:56 UTC


Thank you very much guys for your donation.
Great job GPU users group.

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Message 1062204 - Posted: 1 Jan 2011, 1:11:09 UTC - in response to Message 1062140.

@BeNT

The server has 6 slots free as its half full of ram 6x8 - 48gig

larger sticks are in short supply at the moment and hence high prices

Todd will be able to give the specifics on the sticks we bought as i think he changed supplier from the one i have details on - so will let him confirm in the new year

i would estimate we are looking at the lower to mid range of your estimate - depending when we buy and what discount can be negotiated :)


Yeah short supply in deed, and he put the kingston bits in there those are some of the more expensive ones. Without negotiating prices you are looking at about $370 per 8GB (1 stick). If he only went with 6 sticks that means he is using the 8GB sticks.

$370 x 6 = $2220 before shipping and any tax incurred. With the right supplier and buying you may be able to haggle down to ~$2000. Ouch servers are so expensive. Glad I only build those parts for customers or I'd be in trouble. (Hence my home servers are built from mainstream parts!)
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Message 1062323 - Posted: 1 Jan 2011, 8:46:30 UTC

But the ask was for other teams and individuals to earmark a small donation towards upgrading the ram.

We just managed to purchase two full blown servers, and our group put the third one together from donations from just 13 people! It is all brand new kit, assembled and tested by Todd, who does this for a living, and currently has just boxed it for shipping to Berkeley!

I won't divulge what was donated by the group without discussion with them, but I don't think the ram cost was anywhere as high as you are suggesting. I could be wrong, but I don't think so...

The challenge was for others to extend what we have done, and make it at least as powerful as Oscar and Carolyn.

I didn't think it was unreasonable to ask if people were willing to donate a little bit more. It's for their benefit too, in the security of hopefully keeping work flowing throughout the New Year and beyond.

Although my name isn't on the server list of donations for Carolyn and Oscar, I made a donation earmarked for that, and put some in for the GPU Groups server donation. After raising what, $30k for 2 new servers, and our donation which will be there soon (because it got to the point where it was essential to have it done!) I was hoping many users could make small donations in the New Year to upgrade Synergy's ram.

At the end of January, funds permitting, I will make another donation, either for the ram drive if that goes ahead, or for general use if it doesn't go ahead or has been completed.

We have crunchers, but they aren't any good without any servers working to supply them with work.

It's the same old argument. If 50,000 users put in $10 each, Seti could run for a whole year without worrying. The consensus of the majority seems to be 'My small donation won't make a difference, so I won't even bother.'

But 'THANK YOU' to all that have donated. You are all stars, whether you display them or not!

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Message 1062329 - Posted: 1 Jan 2011, 9:26:20 UTC
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When exactly did you get that I was saying it was a lot of money or not worth the donation.....what you just said is what I was trying to get across. From one person it's a lot from a lot of people it's small. Christ can't say anything in these forums without people taking it wrong.

Either way ram prices vary from reseller to reseller and from which distributor you buy from. So he may well have not paid that much for it. From the prices I'm looking at on newegg it's $376.69 for 8GB sticks. They only have 1 set of Kingston there that match the description. From CDW it's $449.99 per 8GB. They also have a 48GB kit for $2,326.99, but it's a 3x16GB which wouldn't match up. But I guess I'm spewing without knowing. Of course these are none haggle prices from distributor straight to business, without calling and telling them what it's for to hopefully cut a bit better deal.

I also think my price range isn't too far off from what's out there. You can always pay more or pay less depending on the timing and situation especially when you are talking about high density ECC ram, this isn't desktop ram so those prices need not apply. That is unless he didn't use ECC ram in it, which is also a possibility. The price nearly half when you get away from true server stuff.
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Message 1062361 - Posted: 1 Jan 2011, 12:04:57 UTC

Well to get the ball rolling...

Thank you for your gift of $370.00 via Visa on 01/01/2011.
Your gift was assigned to the following areas:

SETI@home - $370.00

Your confirmation number is:
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That should get us one stick (assuming the lower price). Anyone else care to chip in and get the RAM upgraded?
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Message 1062371 - Posted: 1 Jan 2011, 14:11:22 UTC - in response to Message 1062361.

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thanks very much for you generous donation

BeNt

the prices you are quoting are retail and are the top end of the market price. We paid considerably less than this for our 48 gig as i indicated yesterday and it was ECC. Depends on where you get it from and your "status" as a buyer.

How do i know? I was one of the thirteen who contributed and actually a fourteenth member has pledged a donation yesterday towards the RAM but i will let them post here when they get a chance.

Can we keep the speculation on prices to a minimum, please, as we do not want to kill this thread with discussion which is moot until we have a consensus that people want to do this, have a few donations and in say late Jan decide if we have enough for 48gig of ram or something else or both :)
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Message 1062483 - Posted: 1 Jan 2011, 20:20:29 UTC

Late again....just donated so star should be back shortly......
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Message 1062546 - Posted: 1 Jan 2011, 23:19:20 UTC - in response to Message 1062371.


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the prices you are quoting are retail and are the top end of the market price. We paid considerably less than this for our 48 gig as i indicated yesterday and it was ECC. Depends on where you get it from and your "status" as a buyer.

How do i know? I was one of the thirteen who contributed and actually a fourteenth member has pledged a donation yesterday towards the RAM but i will let them post here when they get a chance.

Can we keep the speculation on prices to a minimum, please, as we do not want to kill this thread with discussion which is moot until we have a consensus that people want to do this, have a few donations and in say late Jan decide if we have enough for 48gig of ram or something else or both :)


But I guess I'm spewing without knowing. Of course these are none haggle prices from distributor straight to business, without calling and telling them what it's for to hopefully cut a bit better deal.


That's what I was saying? Trust me I know I do this for a living as well. Me buying from my personal account versus buying from my business account makes a HUGE difference in prices at times. Especially when buying in bulk.
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Message 1062556 - Posted: 1 Jan 2011, 23:34:19 UTC

Thank you for your gift of $200.00 via Visa on 01/01/2011.
Your gift was assigned to the following areas:

SETI@home - $200.00

Your confirmation number is:
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Every little BIT helps.

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Message 1062565 - Posted: 1 Jan 2011, 23:49:39 UTC

Hey all,
The modules that I used in the server are 8GB each and they were purchased in a kit of 2 modules. Obviously we aquired three kits to arrive at the 48GB level.

I don't recall off the top of my head what the cost of these kits were at the time but memory prices are highly volatile with the conflict level going on in Korea. This is causing trade issues across the globe. And in addition the Christmas buying season causes the focus of manufacturers to head to consumer products and not so much to the server market.

The server does have 6 more slots available to be populated with the same modules - I wouldn't recommend using a different type or manufacturer even if they have the same speed/performance ratings. These are the Intel validated modules so there is no question that they will work properly.

Pricing is different for the method of purchase - obviously I don't pay retail prices based on my buying strength through my distributors. Although sometimes Newegg does have better pricing on some components - CPU's and hard drives are a good example. But for my business I need to purchase through authorized channels to maintain my perks from the manufacturers. There is no way to track purchases through Newegg.

Listed below is the kits that were purchased so that we can maintain the same type in the event that money is raised to purchase more. It would be typical to see these kits go for $1200 - $1500 for three based on availability.

Todd

KVR1066D3Q8R7SK2/16GI
Description: 16GB 1066MHz DDR3 ECC Reg CL7 DIMM (Kit of 2) QR x8 w/TS Intel
Detailed Specifications: Standard 1024M X 72 ECC 1066MHz 240-pin Registered DIMM (DDR3, 1.5V, CL7, FBGA, Gold)

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Message 1062574 - Posted: 2 Jan 2011, 0:20:57 UTC - in response to Message 1062565.

Hey all,
The modules that I used in the server are 8GB each and they were purchased in a kit of 2 modules. Obviously we aquired three kits to arrive at the 48GB level.

I don't recall off the top of my head what the cost of these kits were at the time but memory prices are highly volatile with the conflict level going on in Korea. This is causing trade issues across the globe. And in addition the Christmas buying season causes the focus of manufacturers to head to consumer products and not so much to the server market.

The server does have 6 more slots available to be populated with the same modules - I wouldn't recommend using a different type or manufacturer even if they have the same speed/performance ratings. These are the Intel validated modules so there is no question that they will work properly.

Pricing is different for the method of purchase - obviously I don't pay retail prices based on my buying strength through my distributors. Although sometimes Newegg does have better pricing on some components - CPU's and hard drives are a good example. But for my business I need to purchase through authorized channels to maintain my perks from the manufacturers. There is no way to track purchases through Newegg.

Listed below is the kits that were purchased so that we can maintain the same type in the event that money is raised to purchase more. It would be typical to see these kits go for $1200 - $1500 for three based on availability.

Todd

KVR1066D3Q8R7SK2/16GI
Description: 16GB 1066MHz DDR3 ECC Reg CL7 DIMM (Kit of 2) QR x8 w/TS Intel
Detailed Specifications: Standard 1024M X 72 ECC 1066MHz 240-pin Registered DIMM (DDR3, 1.5V, CL7, FBGA, Gold)

Not easy to find, But I did find It here:
http://www.xpcgear.com/kingston-kvr1066d3q8r7sk2-16gi.html
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