The Mayan people were certainly not “wiped out”: there are millions of them in the Yucatan region today. And despite what the Chicken Littles and urban-myth-makers say, the Maya calendar doesn’t “suddenly stop” in December 2012, rather ending one 144,000-day “Long Count” cycle and starting a new one. Were the Mayan Empire still extant the date would doubtless be an occasion for public festivities—the biggest New Year’s party in 400 years.

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The Mayan people were certainly not “wiped out”: there are millions of them in the Yucatan region today. And despite what the Chicken Littles and urban-myth-makers say, the Maya calendar doesn’t “suddenly stop” in December 2012, rather ending one 144,000-day “Long Count” cycle and starting a new one. Were the Mayan Empire still extant the date would doubtless be an occasion for public festivities—the biggest New Year’s party in 400 years.

Then what...it just starts over? Makes no sense. Why design a calendar, that works perfectly for 400 years (394.2 years), from the day your civilization began until the day it ended. Did they know something would happen to them? So for 400 years they follow this calendar, then suddenly as quick as they began, it ends. Why abandon everything they achieved? It just makes no sense to me. So much work and effort for what turns out to be nothing.

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

The Mayan people were certainly not “wiped out”: there are millions of them in the Yucatan region today. And despite what the Chicken Littles and urban-myth-makers say, the Maya calendar doesn’t “suddenly stop” in December 2012, rather ending one 144,000-day “Long Count” cycle and starting a new one. Were the Mayan Empire still extant the date would doubtless be an occasion for public festivities—the biggest New Year’s party in 400 years.

Odysseus,
Funny thing about that number; 144,000 - Its mentioned in many places around the world and at different epochs in human history, especially the Christian bible;

Read it yourself;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/144000_(number)

It says;
The number 144,000 has a religious significance for Christians because of its use in the Book of Revelation of the New Testament. The 144,000 are mentioned three times in the Book of Revelation:

Revelation 7:3-8 (ESV)
saying: "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the servants of God on their foreheads." And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel.

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Just in case people here are not aware, Book of Revelation in the Christian bible is the book that talks about the end times.

Lets also be clear about something!!;

The Mayans lived in Mexico, in central America. But the bible stories were written 9,000 miles away in Egypt/Israel/Iraq/Middle East. Funny how they both arrived at that number.

I also have a sort of "birth-mark" type of thing on my forehead. Ever since i was a child, i have tried several times to remove the mark but it always grows back. So i just learned to accept the mark and leave it alone.

About Book of Revelation;
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The Book of Revelation is the final book of the New Testament corpus. The title came into usage from the first word of the book in Koine Greek: apokalupsis, meaning "unveiling" or "revelation" (the author himself not having provided a title). It is also known as the Book of Revelation of St John the Divine or the Apocalypse of John.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation

I use my real first name here, John.

John.

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I hadn't read this before ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_of_John_-_dated_astronomically

That guy gives a date of September 30, 395 A.D.

Yep, that was me alright! I saw that solar eclipse back in 395 A.D.. I just forgot to tell you guys that i'm over 1,600 years old. That reminds me, i must renew my old age pension again, for the 450th time.

John.

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It’s not particularly surprising to see such a ‘round’ number occurring in apparently unrelated contexts. To think a connection likely I’d need to see a detailed correspondence in structure and significance. Here, for example, we have a cycle of 20 × 18 × 20 × 20 = 144,000 days on the one hand, and a collection of 12 × 12,000 = 144,000 ‘sealed’ individuals on the other: what relation is there beside the number itself?

Many ancient calendars describe periods that are much too long for any practical purpose, but that symbolically reflect the structure of the cosmos as understood by the inventors. Time itself was often conceived as cyclic; recurring seasonal and astronomical phenomena were seen as manifestations of fundamental governing principles. Observing these rhythms was considered vital to the maintenance of social order and integrity.

It’s not particularly surprising to see such a ‘round’ number occurring in apparently unrelated contexts. To think a connection likely I’d need to see a detailed correspondence in structure and significance. Here, for example, we have a cycle of 20 × 18 × 20 × 20 = 144,000 days on the one hand, and a collection of 12 × 12,000 = 144,000 ‘sealed’ individuals on the other: what relation is there beside the number itself?
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Hi Odysseus,
Yea, your right. Mathematically it is an easy number to get to because its divisible by tonnes of other numbers. But you got to admit, the 2 cultures were thousands of miles and an ocean apart, but they both liked the same number. And they both associated the number with the end of something, whatever that something might be.

I'm not a fan of playing with numbers, but i do find this coincidence interesting.

John.

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It’s not particularly surprising to see such a ‘round’ number occurring in apparently unrelated contexts. To think a connection likely I’d need to see a detailed correspondence in structure and significance. Here, for example, we have a cycle of 20 × 18 × 20 × 20 = 144,000 days on the one hand, and a collection of 12 × 12,000 = 144,000 ‘sealed’ individuals on the other: what relation is there beside the number itself?
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Hi Odysseus,
Yea, your right. Mathematically it is an easy number to get to because its divisible by tonnes of other numbers. But you got to admit, the 2 cultures were thousands of miles and an ocean apart, but they both liked the same number. And they both associated the number with the end of something, whatever that something might be.

I'm not a fan of playing with numbers, but i do find this coincidence interesting.

John.

Coincidences are so rare, it's like winning the lottery jackpot 5 times in a row. I don't believe in coincidences. Especially in the case of mathematics.

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"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible". Hebrews 11.3

Coincidences are so rare, it's like winning the lottery jackpot 5 times in a row. I don't believe in coincidences. Especially in the case of mathematics.

And yet, given a large enough universe, or enough time, that very likely will happen.


We are one such rare coincidence. Indeed, we are the culmination of a chain of remarkable coincidences...

The Drake equation is a good mathematical game to try to gauge just how rare a coincidence our own existence is...

Indeed, we are so rare, we have to be very careful not to be blinded by our own rarity yet not become blinded by arrogance by our uniqueness...

(Is that why religions can take hold?...)


Keep searchin',
Martin

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See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)

Or guys we could just take things at face value and accept that God, Jesus, Ala, Mohammad and all the rest of the big boys are all coming back for one big party in 2012!!

Now who's buyin the beer? I got about 20 euro to chip in for beer and nuts.

John.

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Or guys we could just take things at face value and accept that God, Jesus, Ala, Mohammad and all the rest of the big boys are all coming back for one big party in 2012!! ...

They are all already here! No 2012 needed. They are all anthropomorphisms.


Ever wondered why G/g-od usually has a beard?...

Keep searchin',
Martin

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See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)

maybe? 2012 is the year we make contact with something out of this universe. That would be great.

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2. there is more than one universe.

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maybe? 2012 is the year we make contact with something out of this universe. That would be great.

I agree with Lynn here! I'm actually looking forward to meeting all the big boys when they land in their spaceships.

John.

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Here is my take on this subject:

In late 2012 the Large Hadron Collider will discover the Higgs boson. At that point several feisty cats will be placed amongst a good number of very nervous pigeons. :)

In the ensuing theological/scientific/cat/pigeon melee, it will go entirely unnoticed that the Universe doesn't give a rat's a*se what the human race thinks and will continue about its business as per usual.

But thats just my take on things...I could be wrong. ;)

Regards

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@Chris

In theory it's true. We only know 4% of our universe.

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I'm glad the worlds ending on December 21st. I won't hvae to deal with the Danged Christmas rush. Nobody is getting their presents next year

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

I think it is an sientific question in some Way Johnney.
But if you follow our Past, the Mankind ended a lot of times.
not very long ago, the end was said to be near, cause all Planetes standed in one row. In this time, the people where afraid too, but nothing happened.
OK, this time The Maya Calendar sais the End is near, but there is no reason for an END.
But there are Possibilities hat could happen in the year 2012:
the History is nearly completely based on Energy. First, there was Fire:
it enabled better Weapons, better Food, and an easier Hunt. Then you had Cole, so you could melt Metall and built Machines. Now, we have Oil, our Main Energy source.
But this source is getting smaller and smaller, since you need more Energy to get the Oil than the Oil has got Energy.
So the END could be meant as the END of rapid evolving.
But I don't believe that the people in this Time knew anithing about Future, cause this is one of the two no-goes.

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Wahnsinn Images,
I know its hard for you to understand, but for the last month i have been telling people here on this SETI forum about new scientific information that mankind is going to hear about very soon. Its very new, its something scientists don't know about at the moment. I know its difficult to believe but i'm the one who will be releasing the new scientific information.

The scientific information i have will change all of humanity for good. Its will end all problems we have with using Oil for fuel. Its will be the true dawn of the new scientific age of mankind. If you ever saw a movie called "Back to the future" with Michael J. Fox....... Well that is about to come true. Flying cars and easy access to space for everyone. And travel to planets outside our solar system will also be possible within a human lifetime.

It will happen as soon as i get time to write up the scientific information properly. I know it sounds like i'm making this up, but you will know very soon that i'm telling you the truth. I'm either a complete liar and a lunatic, or maybe i really do have something. Time will tell.

John.

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This scenario would be wonderfull, Jonney, and I think it'll become that way.
But 2012 is a bit near, beacause to expand to space needs a new thinking, a peacefull thinking, and changing the peoples thougts needs a very long time.
For example emancipation. How old is this Idea?
In states where emancipation is said to be, women often are'nt paid equally for doing the same job and there are a lot of countries where women still are'nt seen equal to men.
I hope mankind will change in a godd way, because the Alternative would be self-destruction, and I think noone want to die because some other people where to rigid.

So I believe there will be a change, but not in 2012.
But 2012 could be the beginning of a change, but I don't think it has any connection to forecasts of past civilization.
Or maybe, that forecasts give the Idea?
Fact is, we will be a part of this change and can influence it's way.

Greetings!
I found this interesting video which explains the so called dooms day 2012 of the mayan calendar----->2012 Alignment
Explained in about 10 min. and easy to understand with graphic examples.
By the way, the mexicans are having this year a boost in their hotels and flight bookings!

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