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Message 1048796 - Posted: 16 Nov 2010, 2:58:16 UTC - in response to Message 1048782.  

As Pappa Grins

WHO is hording the remaining Workunits?

ROFLMAO



Steelgate seems to be #1, 74K per day yesterday, only down from about 82K.


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Message 1048830 - Posted: 16 Nov 2010, 7:18:40 UTC
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This thread started from a Facebook Entry from Eric. The world is not the same as it was in 1999 When David Anderson thought there was a way that Science could be done from someone's home PC.

The fact that each of you is here is testiment to the idea that "people" can help to solve problems. They do not even have to be trained in the science you need performed. If you do the frontend, and they have an interest in the science it can be be done.

So with the arrival of a couple of large boxes, it tough unless you have ever had to unbox a new server and start the setup.

So the process is to get them unboxed. Setup space, and in the case of the server closet, insure there is room to plug in the 6 power cords for the two servers and the drive cage.

Fire them up. So as we are not sure it they came with Fedora installed or if they are blank, then Matt and Jeff will be doing the Fedora install. That will take a bit. Next is to install MySQL (Boinc Master or Informix Science DB) and Boinc Server (and the various scripts for the daemons for Seti). Restart the silly machine and see if everything comes up without error. Next would be to load a backup copy of the Master DB and then restart to insure there are no hickups. Run some of the queries against the DB and check the results.
As you have resolved the small issues, you setup that during and outage you copy the DB over and do a restore. ON the restart you check for errors and things are fine you do a little majik in where the various Daemons on other machines that talk to the either the Master DB or the Science DB and check that you have communications.
At that point you are ready for a live test.

So the various tests that have to be run, which will take a while.

As there are a thousand things that have to be done in a specific order. I for one having been there would not rush them faster than they can work through their work day.

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Message 1048888 - Posted: 16 Nov 2010, 16:36:25 UTC

I have waited this long, I can hold on untill they are sure its 100%.
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Message 1048891 - Posted: 16 Nov 2010, 16:45:29 UTC - in response to Message 1048888.  

I have waited this long, I can hold on untill they are sure its 100%.


Same here.



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Message 1048892 - Posted: 16 Nov 2010, 16:45:43 UTC

We want pictures!! Hopefully Eric, will update the page with new pics of the servers =) Yay!! almost there guys!!!
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Message 1048933 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 2:23:50 UTC - in response to Message 1048892.  

We want pictures!! Hopefully Eric, will update the page with new pics of the servers =) Yay!! almost there guys!!!


What I pictured was Matt and Jeff like two kids in a Candy Store LOL. Wondering why there was so much extra cardboard in the Packing box. Then bags of small screws, another box inside for the rails for the rack and the Instructions missing! No bag of popins for screws to bypass the rapid rails... Scratching of heads...

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Message 1048996 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 7:09:51 UTC

Ya just gotta feel the excitement there must be in the Seti lab....

Hopefully it offsets some of the drudgery that they must work through before we shall see the results online.
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Message 1049000 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 7:34:51 UTC - in response to Message 1048996.  

Ya just gotta feel the excitement there must be in the Seti lab....

Hopefully it offsets some of the drudgery that they must work through before we shall see the results online.


Having done similar work, I can tell you that it is intense, concentrated, hectic, frustrating.... and part of the most satisfying part of the job.

I also know that any distraction from it is enough to tick off pointy hatted religious leaders. So stay out of their way or get run over. They will let someone know if they need anything else.

I recall one 48 hour retrofit run I was doing, had people wandering in and out of the control room every 5 minutes wanting to talk, I finally shut the door(which auto locked) and not 5 minutes later had someone POUNDING on it, demanding to know why it was closed.

Another major outage gave me no less than 3 levels of management on one line, technical assistance on the other line, and a phone cord 6 foot long and 10 feet away from the equipment I was supposed to be working on. The management line insisted I not leave the line for any reason, and demanded to know how long it would be before it was fixed.

So it turns into a large case of lead, follow, or get out of the way. If in doubt, go with option 3.
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Message 1049055 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 17:49:57 UTC

Reminds me of the adage:
Do you want it done now, or do you want it done right?
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Message 1049064 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 18:26:42 UTC - in response to Message 1049055.  

Reminds me of the adage:
Do you want it done now, or do you want it done right?


How about done right now
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Message 1049069 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 18:45:28 UTC - in response to Message 1048673.  

I heard through the grapevine that the shipment didn't include power cords.... they'll be an additional $7500.00

Batteries not included, some assembly required. (It's in the fine print at the bottom of the page on the product description.)
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Message 1049072 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 18:55:40 UTC - in response to Message 1049000.  

Ya just gotta feel the excitement there must be in the Seti lab....

Hopefully it offsets some of the drudgery that they must work through before we shall see the results online.


Having done similar work, I can tell you that it is intense, concentrated, hectic, frustrating.... and part of the most satisfying part of the job.

I also know that any distraction from it is enough to tick off pointy hatted religious leaders. So stay out of their way or get run over. They will let someone know if they need anything else.

I recall one 48 hour retrofit run I was doing, had people wandering in and out of the control room every 5 minutes wanting to talk, I finally shut the door(which auto locked) and not 5 minutes later had someone POUNDING on it, demanding to know why it was closed.

Another major outage gave me no less than 3 levels of management on one line, technical assistance on the other line, and a phone cord 6 foot long and 10 feet away from the equipment I was supposed to be working on. The management line insisted I not leave the line for any reason, and demanded to know how long it would be before it was fixed.

So it turns into a large case of lead, follow, or get out of the way. If in doubt, go with option 3.

I appreciate the pressure to get things up and running. In my younger days I worked in Television and was located in the room next to the transmitter. Believe me, because of the large power relays, you knew when the transmitter cycled (three times to off) and finally shut down. However, it wouldn't take 30 seconds before the Program Director (I think he had a TV in his head) was on the phone wanting to know if we knew we were off the air and, of course, how long before we would be back on. At which point I would tell him that it would depend on how long he kept me talking on the phone.

Good luck to everyone involved. Have fun and enjoy playing with the new toys. I've been crunching numbers for SETI a long time and can wait until all is ready.
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Message 1049104 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 21:01:14 UTC - in response to Message 1049055.  

Reminds me of the adage:
Do you want it done now, or do you want it done right?


Reminds me of the fortune cookie I got last week:
The expedient thing and the right thing are seldom the same thing"
As I patiently wait for more WUs to crunch, methinks Confucius (or his fortune-cookie writing decendents) were / are wise indeed.
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Message 1049113 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 21:32:06 UTC - in response to Message 1049055.  

Reminds me of the adage:
Do you want it done now, or do you want it done right?

As long as It works, That for Me is the Right way. And I don't care about How It gets done at all and I have confidence they will do the deed.
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Message 1049147 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 23:26:47 UTC

Yeah! A few pictures of Oscar and Carolyn.
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Message 1049620 - Posted: 19 Nov 2010, 17:19:14 UTC - in response to Message 1049055.  

Reminds me of the adage:
Do you want it done now, or do you want it done right?


You can have it done fast, you can have it done cheap, you can have it done right.

Choose two...


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Message 1049771 - Posted: 20 Nov 2010, 1:42:30 UTC - in response to Message 1049620.  

Reminds me of the adage:
Do you want it done now, or do you want it done right?


You can have it done fast, you can have it done cheap, you can have it done right.

Choose two...


-- Tony D.

Given the budget here, cheap is always one of the choices...


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Message 1049775 - Posted: 20 Nov 2010, 1:50:10 UTC

does Chrysler manufacture servers?
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Message 1049776 - Posted: 20 Nov 2010, 1:54:42 UTC - in response to Message 1049620.  

Reminds me of the adage:
Do you want it done now, or do you want it done right?


You can have it done fast, you can have it done cheap, you can have it done right.

Choose two...


-- Tony D.

As I recall, you can't have two.

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Message 1049822 - Posted: 20 Nov 2010, 4:43:22 UTC - in response to Message 1049776.  

Reminds me of the adage:
Do you want it done now, or do you want it done right?


You can have it done fast, you can have it done cheap, you can have it done right.

Choose two...


-- Tony D.

As I recall, you can't have two.

In any programming project (and this may hold for other types of projects as well) the upper management can pick any two. The task will get done. The other attribute can take up an amazing amount of slack. When upper management tries to set all three, the task will not get done. I have been involved in projects where management tried to set all three. In that case, one or more of the three will give anyway or the project will be canceled. Cheap and well will take a long time. Fast and cheap will produce crap. Fast and well will be expen$sive.

If you pick not well done too often your best engineers will leave in disgust.


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