Quick update during our mega-outage. All the bureaucracy is behind us - new servers have been ordered days ago, just waiting on those to arrive and doing major database cleanup/etc. in the meantime.

To that end, among other things we've been trying to drain all the outstanding workunits/results as much as possible, but in a sane, orderly fashion. I just turned on the file delete/database purge processes, but only *after* granting all pertinent credit to users/hosts/teams (regardless of overdue/wingman status). I'm talking about 3,290,000 results were credited over the past 24 hours. I may have to do this granting again once this first round of cleanup is over.

- Matt

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-- "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude

Not worried about credits Matt. Just do what is best to make things nice and clean. You can trickle out 2nd/3rd/4th+ issues if you want, still ready to pick them up. But most important: take good care of the project.

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Janice

If you could do the beta project soon It would be nice. 2/3 of my beta WU have now expired and I will have all expired in about 24hours. Crunching is all done but I don't want BOINC to delete them because all are expired.

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Thanks for the update Matt,

I'd also like to be able to upload and report my Beta Wu's, all which have expired now.

and can you embed Beta's scheduler url in Beta's 'Down for Maintenance page' as Boinc looses the url when Beta is offline,

Claggy

To that end, among other things we've been trying to drain all the outstanding workunits/results as much as possible, but in a sane, orderly fashion.

To help out in draining, maybe its a good idea to open downloads but only to fast host - meaning can return in 1 day (deadline of 1 day). This way we can have a fresh start when new server arrive.

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Thanks for Bringing the Beta site and the scheduler online, But it really is pointless if Uploads don't work, which haven't worked for about 7 weeks now,

03/11/2010 22:21:19 SETI@home Beta Test Started upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.100_1_0
03/11/2010 22:21:19 SETI@home Beta Test Started upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.115_0_0
03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Temporarily failed upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.100_1_0: HTTP error
03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Backing off 1 hr 59 min 16 sec on upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.100_1_0
03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Temporarily failed upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.115_0_0: HTTP error
03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Backing off 2 hr 22 min 50 sec on upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.115_0_0
03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Started upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.116_0_0
03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Started upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.117_0_0
03/11/2010 22:21:23 SETI@home Beta Test Temporarily failed upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.116_0_0: HTTP error
03/11/2010 22:21:23 SETI@home Beta Test Backing off 3 hr 50 min 14 sec on upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.116_0_0
03/11/2010 22:21:24 SETI@home Beta Test Temporarily failed upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.117_0_0: HTTP error
03/11/2010 22:21:24 SETI@home Beta Test Backing off 3 hr 7 min 51 sec on upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.117_0_0

Claggy

Thanks, All my Beta uploads have gone through and reported,

Claggy

Thanks, All my Beta uploads have gone through and reported,

Thanks for reminding us (this is something that's been constantly falling off the radar lately, obviously)...

- Matt

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-- BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person
-- "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude

No Problem, i have been trying to bring this to attention for weeks now, here, at Seti Beta, and on the boinc_alpha mailing list, but the right people didn't see the messages,

Claggy

my pc's is on all the time it can do wu's in a day so clearing any would be ok for me credits don't matter but a good start would be nice i have it set for no extra days work and will leave it like that to minimize load on start up

Thanks for Turing SETI BETA on. My uploads just went and are now done. I have both Main and Beta left requesting work but have it set to 0.1 day cache. Any reissues if you decide to turn it on will be turned around quick.
Best of luck to the staff whatever happens
Bernd

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Does it make people feel good to get credit for work which probably now has no chance of contributing to the science? Has the project underestimated the quality of the participants?

To my mind, getting credit without a corresponding increase in consecutive valid is much like having a rotten tomato thrown at me versus having a fresh vine ripened tomato handed to me. It was probably inevitable that the project would need to cancel some work to make the transition to the new servers cleaner, but my vote if we had been asked would have favored no credit for unresolved work.

I bring this up to get others' opinions, in the hope that "I may have to do this granting again once this first round of cleanup is over." will be handled differently.

                                                                  Joe

Thanks, All my Beta uploads have gone through and reported,

Claggy

Ditto. Thanks.

[edit]I'm also one who had (past tense) the http errors too, so that is fixed.

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Does it make people feel good to get credit for work which probably now has no chance of contributing to the science? Has the project underestimated the quality of the participants?

To my mind, getting credit without a corresponding increase in consecutive valid is much like having a rotten tomato thrown at me versus having a fresh vine ripened tomato handed to me. It was probably inevitable that the project would need to cancel some work to make the transition to the new servers cleaner, but my vote if we had been asked would have favored no credit for unresolved work.

I bring this up to get others' opinions, in the hope that "I may have to do this granting again once this first round of cleanup is over." will be handled differently.

                                                                  Joe

Not sure how else it can be done. If the Database to do the checks against isn't there ... what do you propose, grant no one credit?

The science isn't lost. I'm sure the work units aren't going to evaporate. The issue is that the database got corrupted to the point that keeping track of who had what fell apart for granting credit. Especially considering the ghost issue where there may never have been a wingman, in other words it lost track of who had work units.[1] Is waiting four or five months to get credit correct? I'm sure they know which work is questionable and it will be re-issued after things are back up so no science gets lost. In any case it isn't that many cobblestones in the big picture.

[1] Actually it thought it sent work to the computer, but the computer never got it for whatever reason. Has to time out which could be a couple months. Then get re-issued. Then wait for crunch. Then check if they match. If they don't match, send it out again. Having that happen can eat up half a year and then add in a month's down time. Not a big issue for those that look at total credit, but it makes those that look at RAC go crazy.

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Sniff... My BetaWus have reported as well.

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Does it make people feel good to get credit for work which probably now has no chance of contributing to the science? Has the project underestimated the quality of the participants?

To my mind, getting credit without a corresponding increase in consecutive valid is much like having a rotten tomato thrown at me versus having a fresh vine ripened tomato handed to me. It was probably inevitable that the project would need to cancel some work to make the transition to the new servers cleaner, but my vote if we had been asked would have favored no credit for unresolved work.

I bring this up to get others' opinions, in the hope that "I may have to do this granting again once this first round of cleanup is over." will be handled differently.

                                                                  Joe

Joe,

I'd really like to see this question moved to NC where I'm sure it'd be an interesting thread in its own right. Perhaps a mod could assist?

Personally, while a case could be made for not crediting unverified work, I would hate to see the (in many cases) thousands of hours of work that I, and other crunchers, have given to this project get completely wiped out. There's more to it, of course, but I'll save it for another response in a better place.

Joe, I am presuming it is being done for their own ease. As far as the RAC credit.. don't care, don't care, and oh yeah don't care.

If it does not make their job easier, I am quite happy with no credit at the moment too. But... I will take a side order of "whatever" with it.

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Janice

Matt,

What should we do with tasks that are still in the process of downloading?

Im with soft^spirit on this. They could have done whatever they wanted with the credit. BUT maybe the guys just wanted to say a silent Thank You to all the fine people who have stuck by them through these down times and all the great folks who made it possible to get two new servers.

PS I do expect pics of the new servers though:)

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PS I do expect pics of the new servers though:)

What? I'm gonna insist upon it! :-))

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