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![]() Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist ![]() Send message Joined: 1 Mar 99 Posts: 1442 Credit: 543,749 RAC: 1,910 ![]() ![]() |
Quick update during our mega-outage. All the bureaucracy is behind us - new servers have been ordered days ago, just waiting on those to arrive and doing major database cleanup/etc. in the meantime. To that end, among other things we've been trying to drain all the outstanding workunits/results as much as possible, but in a sane, orderly fashion. I just turned on the file delete/database purge processes, but only *after* granting all pertinent credit to users/hosts/teams (regardless of overdue/wingman status). I'm talking about 3,290,000 results were credited over the past 24 hours. I may have to do this granting again once this first round of cleanup is over. - Matt -- BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person -- "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6443 Credit: 32,931,890 RAC: 68 ![]() |
Not worried about credits Matt. Just do what is best to make things nice and clean. You can trickle out 2nd/3rd/4th+ issues if you want, still ready to pick them up. But most important: take good care of the project. ![]() Janice |
B-Man Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Feb 01 Posts: 253 Credit: 147,366 RAC: 0 ![]() |
If you could do the beta project soon It would be nice. 2/3 of my beta WU have now expired and I will have all expired in about 24hours. Crunching is all done but I don't want BOINC to delete them because all are expired. |
Claggy Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,226,794 RAC: 452 ![]() |
Thanks for the update Matt, I'd also like to be able to upload and report my Beta Wu's, all which have expired now. and can you embed Beta's scheduler url in Beta's 'Down for Maintenance page' as Boinc looses the url when Beta is offline, Claggy |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 17 May 99 Posts: 104 Credit: 111,191,433 RAC: 0 ![]() |
To that end, among other things we've been trying to drain all the outstanding workunits/results as much as possible, but in a sane, orderly fashion. To help out in draining, maybe its a good idea to open downloads but only to fast host - meaning can return in 1 day (deadline of 1 day). This way we can have a fresh start when new server arrive. ![]() |
Claggy Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,226,794 RAC: 452 ![]() |
Thanks for Bringing the Beta site and the scheduler online, But it really is pointless if Uploads don't work, which haven't worked for about 7 weeks now, 03/11/2010 22:21:19 SETI@home Beta Test Started upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.100_1_0 03/11/2010 22:21:19 SETI@home Beta Test Started upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.115_0_0 03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Temporarily failed upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.100_1_0: HTTP error 03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Backing off 1 hr 59 min 16 sec on upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.100_1_0 03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Temporarily failed upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.115_0_0: HTTP error 03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Backing off 2 hr 22 min 50 sec on upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.115_0_0 03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Started upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.116_0_0 03/11/2010 22:21:22 SETI@home Beta Test Started upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.117_0_0 03/11/2010 22:21:23 SETI@home Beta Test Temporarily failed upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.116_0_0: HTTP error 03/11/2010 22:21:23 SETI@home Beta Test Backing off 3 hr 50 min 14 sec on upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.116_0_0 03/11/2010 22:21:24 SETI@home Beta Test Temporarily failed upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.117_0_0: HTTP error 03/11/2010 22:21:24 SETI@home Beta Test Backing off 3 hr 7 min 51 sec on upload of 18no09aj.30208.25021.3.13.117_0_0 Claggy |
Claggy Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,226,794 RAC: 452 ![]() |
Thanks, All my Beta uploads have gone through and reported, Claggy |
![]() Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist ![]() Send message Joined: 1 Mar 99 Posts: 1442 Credit: 543,749 RAC: 1,910 ![]() ![]() |
Thanks, All my Beta uploads have gone through and reported, Thanks for reminding us (this is something that's been constantly falling off the radar lately, obviously)... - Matt -- BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person -- "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude |
Claggy Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,226,794 RAC: 452 ![]() |
No Problem, i have been trying to bring this to attention for weeks now, here, at Seti Beta, and on the boinc_alpha mailing list, but the right people didn't see the messages, Claggy |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 5 Jul 10 Posts: 212 Credit: 262,426 RAC: 0 ![]() |
my pc's is on all the time it can do wu's in a day so clearing any would be ok for me credits don't matter but a good start would be nice i have it set for no extra days work and will leave it like that to minimize load on start up |
B-Man Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Feb 01 Posts: 253 Credit: 147,366 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Thanks for Turing SETI BETA on. My uploads just went and are now done. I have both Main and Beta left requesting work but have it set to 0.1 day cache. Any reissues if you decide to turn it on will be turned around quick. Best of luck to the staff whatever happens Bernd |
Josef W. Segur Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Does it make people feel good to get credit for work which probably now has no chance of contributing to the science? Has the project underestimated the quality of the participants? To my mind, getting credit without a corresponding increase in consecutive valid is much like having a rotten tomato thrown at me versus having a fresh vine ripened tomato handed to me. It was probably inevitable that the project would need to cancel some work to make the transition to the new servers cleaner, but my vote if we had been asked would have favored no credit for unresolved work. I bring this up to get others' opinions, in the hope that "I may have to do this granting again once this first round of cleanup is over." will be handled differently. Joe |
![]() ![]() ![]() Volunteer tester ![]() Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 22228 Credit: 35,639,174 RAC: 35,331 ![]() ![]() |
Thanks, All my Beta uploads have gone through and reported, Ditto. Thanks. [edit]I'm also one who had (past tense) the http errors too, so that is fixed. ![]() ![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() Volunteer tester ![]() Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 22228 Credit: 35,639,174 RAC: 35,331 ![]() ![]() |
Does it make people feel good to get credit for work which probably now has no chance of contributing to the science? Has the project underestimated the quality of the participants? Not sure how else it can be done. If the Database to do the checks against isn't there ... what do you propose, grant no one credit? The science isn't lost. I'm sure the work units aren't going to evaporate. The issue is that the database got corrupted to the point that keeping track of who had what fell apart for granting credit. Especially considering the ghost issue where there may never have been a wingman, in other words it lost track of who had work units.[1] Is waiting four or five months to get credit correct? I'm sure they know which work is questionable and it will be re-issued after things are back up so no science gets lost. In any case it isn't that many cobblestones in the big picture. [1] Actually it thought it sent work to the computer, but the computer never got it for whatever reason. Has to time out which could be a couple months. Then get re-issued. Then wait for crunch. Then check if they match. If they don't match, send it out again. Having that happen can eat up half a year and then add in a month's down time. Not a big issue for those that look at total credit, but it makes those that look at RAC go crazy. ![]() ![]() |
![]() Volunteer tester ![]() Send message Joined: 6 Feb 00 Posts: 10848 Credit: 5,743,225 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Sniff... My BetaWus have reported as well. Pluto will always be a planet to me. ![]() Seti Ambassador |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 14 Jul 04 Posts: 887 Credit: 176,479,616 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Does it make people feel good to get credit for work which probably now has no chance of contributing to the science? Has the project underestimated the quality of the participants? Joe, I'd really like to see this question moved to NC where I'm sure it'd be an interesting thread in its own right. Perhaps a mod could assist? Personally, while a case could be made for not crediting unverified work, I would hate to see the (in many cases) thousands of hours of work that I, and other crunchers, have given to this project get completely wiped out. There's more to it, of course, but I'll save it for another response in a better place. |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6443 Credit: 32,931,890 RAC: 68 ![]() |
Joe, I am presuming it is being done for their own ease. As far as the RAC credit.. don't care, don't care, and oh yeah don't care. If it does not make their job easier, I am quite happy with no credit at the moment too. But... I will take a side order of "whatever" with it. ![]() Janice |
Nick: ID 666 ![]() Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 11700 Credit: 31,896,961 RAC: 2,599 ![]() ![]() |
Matt, What should we do with tasks that are still in the process of downloading? |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10363 Credit: 93,423,509 RAC: 30,694 ![]() ![]() |
Im with soft^spirit on this. They could have done whatever they wanted with the credit. BUT maybe the guys just wanted to say a silent Thank You to all the fine people who have stuck by them through these down times and all the great folks who made it possible to get two new servers. PS I do expect pics of the new servers though:) ![]() Old James |
![]() ![]() ![]() Volunteer tester ![]() Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 40475 Credit: 41,350,794 RAC: 1,941 ![]() ![]() |
PS I do expect pics of the new servers though:) What? I'm gonna insist upon it! :-)) Those are my principles, and if you don't like them ... well, I have others. Groucho Marx 1895-1977 I also have mine, and if you don't like them ... tough, live with it. Chris S 2017 Member of UCB Charter Hill Society |
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