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Jeff Cobb Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Mar 99 Posts: 108 Credit: 40,367 RAC: 0	Message 1044529 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 21:49:45 UTC
	We've decided to keep the project down until the new servers are up and running and the databases migrated to them. The forums will stay up. The back end and the upload server will stay up until we clear the outstanding results. The time line we are looking at is about one month - two weeks for the servers to arrive and another two to get them going. We'll see as time goes on whether or not that's too aggressive. The down time will be used for preparing the databases for migration. For example, on the science side, we can finally finish a big merge of the spike table and drop the old spike table. This will make the database smaller and easier to migrate. We will also use the time for science processing and analysis. More later... ____________
	ID: 1044529 ·

perryjay Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3359 Credit: 9,611,767 RAC: 9,811	Message 1044530 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 21:53:17 UTC - in response to Message 1044529.
	Thanks Jeff, Sorry we wont get new work for awhile but at least we will have the forums. Here's hoping for a smooth transition and many more work units to crunch in the future. ____________ PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC
	ID: 1044530 ·

Ageless Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 11633 Credit: 1,988,943 RAC: 4,238	Message 1044534 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:02:51 UTC
	Best post something about that in the front page news as well. But good decision. Let the grumbling commence. :D ____________ Jord - BOINC FAQ Service - BOINC User Wiki Real is just a matter of perception.
	ID: 1044534 ·

Jim_S Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 23 Feb 00 Posts: 4416 Credit: 13,646,057 RAC: 20,488	Message 1044535 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:03:34 UTC - in response to Message 1044529.
	Thanks for the continuing updates Jeff...They Keep Most of the Natives Happy/Quiet or at least more well behaved. ____________ I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott
	ID: 1044535 ·

Byron Leigh Hatch @ team Carl Sagan Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 2340 Credit: 11,689,838 RAC: 352	Message 1044536 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:05:06 UTC - in response to Message 1044529.
	thank you Jeff, for the update. I think this is wise decision. Best Wishes Byron
	ID: 1044536 ·

SciManStev Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 4291 Credit: 62,673,163 RAC: 73,387	Message 1044538 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:06:34 UTC
	No grumbling for this cruncher! Thank you for the update, and we will be here ready to crunch when the new servers are ready. You guys made an excellent decision! Steve ____________ Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website
	ID: 1044538 ·

Claggy Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 3362 Credit: 25,948,374 RAC: 1,299	Message 1044540 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:13:08 UTC - in response to Message 1044529.
	Thanks for the update Jeff, What will happen about Ghost Wu's?, will resends still happen? if you can clear them it'll help shrink the database no end, (i have tended to connect only when the servers aren't really busy, and what ghosts i did have, i've managed to get resent) Claggy
	ID: 1044540 ·

[seti.international] Philip J. Fry Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 6 Apr 07 Posts: 6566 Credit: 50,703,735 RAC: 20,273	Message 1044542 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:18:06 UTC - in response to Message 1044529. Last modified: 28 Oct 2010, 22:22:40 UTC
	Jeff, thanks for the news! BTW. I have still a few fresh/and crunched WUs in BOINC. The earliest deadline is the 06. Nov. Maybe it's possible to let run sometimes the scheduler for report? Or you will extend the deadlines? ____________ >Das Deutsche Cafe. The German Cafe.<
	ID: 1044542 ·

ScarabDrowner Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 13 Sep 03 Posts: 90 Credit: 456,378 RAC: 0	Message 1044544 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:21:45 UTC Last modified: 28 Oct 2010, 22:23:27 UTC
	Yay, uploads completed and reported. I'm a happy cruncher again, and will be happier still once SETI resumes ^_^ @Sutaru: reporting works now ____________
	ID: 1044544 ·

Claggy Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 3362 Credit: 25,948,374 RAC: 1,299	Message 1044546 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:22:20 UTC - in response to Message 1044542.
	Jeff, thanks for the news! BTW. I have still a few fresh/and crunched WUs in BOINC. They will reach the deadline at 06. Nov. Maybe it's possible to let run sometimes the scheduler for report? Or you will extend the deadlines? Scheduler is already online!!! Claggy
	ID: 1044546 ·

[seti.international] Philip J. Fry Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 6 Apr 07 Posts: 6566 Credit: 50,703,735 RAC: 20,273	Message 1044547 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:24:15 UTC - in response to Message 1044546. Last modified: 28 Oct 2010, 22:27:20 UTC
	? Project communication failed: attempting access to reference site Scheduler request failed: Couldn't connect to server Hmm.. my PCs can't report.. EDIT: Ops.. now yes.. ____________ >Das Deutsche Cafe. The German Cafe.<
	ID: 1044547 ·

soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6231 Credit: 27,501,128 RAC: 11,355	Message 1044559 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:48:19 UTC
	If you guys can get the scheduler and a download server going WITHOUT splitters, we should be able to really clean up the mess. I would love to make this as painless as possible for the lab. ____________ Janice
	ID: 1044559 ·

gizbar Send message Joined: 7 Jan 01 Posts: 586 Credit: 21,087,774 RAC: 0	Message 1044565 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 22:52:42 UTC
	Not being sure how the backend is run, is it possible to split loads and loads of work while the new servers are being configured and run-in? Then there would be tons of work just waiting when the project comes back up, and we would all be waiting in the queue for our share. Is that possible? Or is everything too dependent on everything else to do that? ____________ *A proud GPU User Server Donor!*
	ID: 1044565 ·

Cosmic_Ocean Send message Joined: 23 Dec 00 Posts: 2079 Credit: 6,708,981 RAC: 4,831	Message 1044582 - Posted: 28 Oct 2010, 23:19:58 UTC
	Will we be able to monitor our tasks pages during this time, or is that operation too strenuous on the database? It's not really all that important, but I know curiosity of how many tasks are still lingering will be bugging a decent handful of people (yes, me included :p ). I understand if that won't/can't be turned on, but it would be nice. ____________ Linux laptop uptime: 1484d 22h 42m Ended due to UPS failure, found 14 hours after the fact
	ID: 1044582 ·

-BeNt- Send message Joined: 17 Oct 99 Posts: 1234 Credit: 10,116,112 RAC: 0	Message 1044609 - Posted: 29 Oct 2010, 0:24:29 UTC
	Excellent news, Rampage and Fury will be ready to go once you have everything in the green! Much needed break for my poor little server lol. ____________ Traveling through space at ~67,000mph!
	ID: 1044609 ·

Josef W. Segur Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 3930 Credit: 934,263 RAC: 14	Message 1044638 - Posted: 29 Oct 2010, 1:59:42 UTC - in response to Message 1044529.
	... The back end and the upload server will stay up until we clear the outstanding results. ... As some of those tasks have deadlines well into December, not all can be cleared within a reasonable time. Systems doing many projects can sometimes get into a mode where work gets done EDF and barely within deadline, and of course there are at least a few systems which need nearly all the allowed time to complete tasks. Do the best you can, most users are realistic and don't expect perfection. If there's a possibility of getting the SETI Beta servers up enough to allow uploads and reporting similar to the main project, many participants there would be grateful. Joe
	ID: 1044638 ·

ScarabDrowner Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 13 Sep 03 Posts: 90 Credit: 456,378 RAC: 0	Message 1044648 - Posted: 29 Oct 2010, 3:10:10 UTC - in response to Message 1044640.
	I figure they'd just watch the server stats, and when "Results out in the field" reaches 0, they can feel safe turning it off. ____________
	ID: 1044648 ·

Wiggo Send message Joined: 24 Jan 00 Posts: 1481 Credit: 62,366,408 RAC: 86,978	Message 1044670 - Posted: 29 Oct 2010, 5:15:47 UTC - in response to Message 1044648.
	I figure they'd just watch the server stats, and when "Results out in the field" reaches 0, they can feel safe turning it off. I don't believe that the ghosts out in the field will allow a 0 result too soon until last one times out unless EVERYBODY does a detach/re-attach once they've run out of work will help (wishful thinking, I know). Cheers. :) ____________
	ID: 1044670 ·

Cliff Harding Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 601 Credit: 34,146,393 RAC: 55,657	Message 1044677 - Posted: 29 Oct 2010, 5:31:08 UTC
	Thanks Jeff for the update. One question though.... While all of this is going on is it possible to do the same with the beta database, so that we can report those WUs?
	ID: 1044677 ·

Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22634 Credit: 4,500,610 RAC: 5,947	Message 1044699 - Posted: 29 Oct 2010, 8:51:28 UTC Last modified: 29 Oct 2010, 8:53:38 UTC
	We've decided to keep the project down until the new servers are up and running and the databases migrated to them. The forums will stay up. The back end and the upload server will stay up until we clear the outstanding results. I think you've made the correct decision. You'll get some moaners and groaners whatever you do, but it seems right to me. With any project it's like climbing a mountain, it makes sense at some point to stop and take stock of where you are. Review where you've come from, plan for the future, re-equip if necessary, and press on towards the summit. ____________ Damsel Rescuer, Kitty Patron, Raccoon Friend, Uli Fan, Julie Supporter, ES99 Admirer, Dishonourable Mentions **
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