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Message 1051054 - Posted: 25 Nov 2010, 9:02:18 UTC
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In a sense magnets can exhibit anti gravity . All you need is a force to overcome the weak "pull" of the Earth. You can buy a globe that "floats" due to the repulsion of the magnets in the globe with the one in the stand. Crossing magnetic lines of flux would be the way to think about the problem. Don't think it can be done. The closest you can come, is as I did when I tried my hand at a perpetual motion machine, was an electric motor. They can be quite efficient but never equal to 100 percent. Switching losses on the commutators and the resistance of the windings thwart you here. Of course you could go to super conductors at extremely low temperatures but if you try to extract energy from the motor it will run down for sure.

Try designing a motor that uses a mobius strip track to shuttle a magnet around and around see if you can get it to switch poles so that it is always repelling as it goes around. This will probably convince you there is no free lunch when it comes to energy and propulsion. The best we can do is to burn something or start an atomic reaction and use the released heat energy to drive pistons or a turbine.

The energy of the vacuum --causing the universe to accelerate in its expansion also acts like anti-gravity. Don't know how this might be used for a propulsion system.

There is no conspiracy by the way regarding this topic. We could solve the oil patch dilemma if we could employ anti-gravity and I am sure we would if we had the technology. I suspect that the notion of a free form of energy violates all known laws of the universe and physics, at least as far as deploying it here on Earth. I like the idea of tapping the energy stored in the forces within the atom --in a sense this is free energy once we pay for the reactor and the purification of the fuel.

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Message 1051085 - Posted: 25 Nov 2010, 14:07:32 UTC - in response to Message 1051054.

Free energy is acceptable under the laws that rule this universe.Look you know that you can't produce energy using a motor to power up a generator.Eternally going on and on and on.Friction is involved yata yata.Free energy is not possible.Now,free energy is not possible for one reason, it would make no sense.I believe it is possible,but i'm not sure if anyone has done it, or a close effect.I've heard of several shafts of sort,but i'm still not completely sure.Now, about the conspiracy thing -_-,yes there is one, since the government relies on gasoline to power up the Iraq war and many other crap.It would be horrid for economy if something was created that would not use any type of combustion fuel at all.So they make hybrid cars(NOT FULLY ELECTRICAL ONES) see ;)?If you were to buy a fully electrical one i'm sure the prices wouldn't be so eye appealing,economy...the worlds largest impediment.

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Message 1051086 - Posted: 25 Nov 2010, 14:28:14 UTC

Synyster and William,
I agree with both of you. Energy is not free as such, it must come from somewhere. So as long as we explain how the physics works, then free energy is fine.

We know about lots of perpetual motion machines that actually do work in reality. The Earth perpetually goes around the Sun, and its free. The Sun perpetually goes around the Milkyway and its free. If we spin a satellite in space, it will keep spinning perpetually until something draws mechanical energy off it. We can easily explain the physics of all of these perpetual motion machines.

Gravity is perpetually holding us to the surface of the earth, thats free too. If we can just crack how to block, control or reduce this gravity field. But i do think its possible. we will crack this eventually.

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Message 1051167 - Posted: 25 Nov 2010, 20:30:46 UTC - in response to Message 1051086.


Gravity is perpetually holding us to the surface of the earth, thats free too. If we can just crack how to block, control or reduce this gravity field. But i do think its possible. we will crack this eventually.

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I'm glad, cause this gravity is keeping us, with both feet, on the earth :)
Now I wouldn't drive a car, if no gravity holds us to the earth and one jump up
makes sure one ending up in the stratosphere........

(Some clocks, with a weight (gravity), make use of this fact.)

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Message 1051174 - Posted: 25 Nov 2010, 20:55:36 UTC - in response to Message 1051086.
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We know about lots of perpetual motion machines that actually do work in reality. The Earth perpetually goes around the Sun, and its free. The Sun perpetually goes around the Milkyway and its free. If we spin a satellite in space, it will keep spinning perpetually until something draws mechanical energy off it. We can easily explain the physics of all of these perpetual motion machines.

John.


Hardly free. you need to expand your accounting a bit. It took energy to start the earth orbiting the sun, energy created by the exchange of potential energy (energy due to position) into kinetic energy (energy contained in a moving mass). Same with the satellite - it took energy to start it spinning. In both cases it will take more energy to change the orbits, or to change the spin. Also, in both cases the stored energy could be converted to another form, but the conversion process can never be perfect. Some energy would be lost. That is why the universe will probably end up as a cold dark place. (But not for many billions of years.)

The common definition of a perpetual motion machine is a machine that produces more energy than it consumes. Your examples neither produce nor consume energy while left in their "perpetual" state.
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Message 1051283 - Posted: 26 Nov 2010, 4:55:27 UTC - in response to Message 1051174.

In fact the earth is slowing down in its spin. Rivers flow towards the equator and carry silt and ton's of debris toward the equator which means that the center of mass of the earth is moving toward the equator and futher out from the axis of spin. Just like the ice skater who extends his arms--conservation of momentum will slow the spin.

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Message 1051386 - Posted: 26 Nov 2010, 20:44:48 UTC - in response to Message 1051283.
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In fact the earth is slowing down in its spin. Rivers flow towards the equator and carry silt and ton's of debris toward the equator which means that the center of mass of the earth is moving toward the equator and futher out from the axis of spin. Just like the ice skater who extends his arms--conservation of momentum will slow the spin.

The moon is also slowing the rotation of the Earth due to tidal drag.

Energy is merely converted, so as a consequence the Earth is warmed slightly (nope, not global warming!) and the moon is sped along in its orbit slightly faster.

A consequence of that is that the moon is climbing up the gravitational potential well to move further away from the Earth. This is accurately measured by laser ranging and is used to test/verify various theories.

A consequence of all that is that we are uniquely fortunate in the history of the Earth-Moon system to live in the one period where we can enjoy the spectacle of solar eclipses!


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Message 1052615 - Posted: 3 Dec 2010, 0:40:13 UTC
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Just over a month ago Disclosure Project again wikileaked some stuffs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtmpaM0PqyI

So the point is these former army officers are not typical wandering people at the time and we should likely learn to trust them.

full version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtmpaM0PqyI
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Message 1069058 - Posted: 21 Jan 2011, 17:36:12 UTC


18. Most importantly, Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project & Cseti has announced this year, 2010, that unless Obama brings all this black op stuff concerning aliens out into the public domain before the end of the year, he and his followers of scientists and military witnesses will do it, this time with incontrovertible proof, presented to a world stage.


Sorry did I miss his press conference?
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Message 1069061 - Posted: 21 Jan 2011, 17:40:33 UTC - in response to Message 1069058.


18. Most importantly, Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project & Cseti has announced this year, 2010, that unless Obama brings all this black op stuff concerning aliens out into the public domain before the end of the year, he and his followers of scientists and military witnesses will do it, this time with incontrovertible proof, presented to a world stage.


Sorry did I miss his press conference?


Nope, just another blowhard thinking that they can get what they believe to be the "truth" by making empty threats. It's time for people to stop believing in stories are start believing in facts verified by observable evidence.

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Message 1069239 - Posted: 22 Jan 2011, 1:40:55 UTC - in response to Message 1069061.

I can't wait !!

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Message 1073906 - Posted: 3 Feb 2011, 21:09:07 UTC

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/extraterrestrials-now-live-among-us-china-and-u-s-a-newspapers-report
I guess we can stop crunching now!

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Message 1093593 - Posted: 5 Apr 2011, 12:29:48 UTC

I guess so Gary, dang I was about to save up for a new ATI card. Oh well, more Venusian beer and Martian cocktails for me then ;-)

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Message 1094140 - Posted: 7 Apr 2011, 1:06:45 UTC - in response to Message 1093593.

Did anyone read this?? Interesting.

alleged UFO sightings in Roswell, New Mexico.

One document, for example, pertains to Guy Hottel, a special agent in charge of the FBI's Washington Field Office, who sent a memo concerning flying saucers to the FBI's director in March 1950.

"An investigator for the Air Force stated that three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico," according to the memo dated March 22, 1950. "They were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed flyers and test pilots.


"According to Mr. [redacted] informant, the saucers were found in New Mexico due to the fact that the Government has a very high-powered radar set-up in that area and it is believed the radar interferes with the controlling mechanism of the saucers. No further evaluation was attempted by SA [redacted] concerning the above."

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/04/05/fbi-unveils-vault-including-unseen-11-records/
FBI Unveils 'The Vault,' Including Unseen 9/11 Records

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Message 1094143 - Posted: 7 Apr 2011, 1:21:00 UTC

sounds like bad astronomy this UFO stuff, focus on real science

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Message 1094164 - Posted: 7 Apr 2011, 1:58:40 UTC - in response to Message 1094143.

so the rudimentary radar we had back before 1950 caused an alien craft to crash. Sooooooo.... why arent they falling out of the sky every time someone answers a cell phone or an airport searches for planes coming in to land
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Message 1094171 - Posted: 7 Apr 2011, 2:16:34 UTC

It's a good thing not all of us believe everything we read.

I suppose all this non-sense is to be expected while we are a science project looking for alien intelligence.

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Message 1094209 - Posted: 7 Apr 2011, 4:50:44 UTC - in response to Message 1094171.

No or yes???

Some of the documents released under Freedom of Information Act

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Message 1094259 - Posted: 7 Apr 2011, 11:08:31 UTC - in response to Message 1094209.

Just because the Government took down a few notes from some people's unexplained experiences, doesn't mean the experiences are legitimate. The Government only wrote down what was said and released them.

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Message 1094533 - Posted: 8 Apr 2011, 0:40:01 UTC - in response to Message 1094259.

Thanks. I figured that would be the case.

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