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Message 1036256 - Posted: 25 Sep 2010, 20:23:24 UTC - in response to Message 1035976.
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The big question to me is: what is the mechanism that creates new space and new vacuum and new vacuum energy and how does it work and why.


Dark energy is one of sciences biggest mysteries. Nobody knows how it got there, how it works, why it makes the universe expand and why there is so much of it.


I am not even convinced that dark energy (or even dark matter) actually exists. Both are somewhat ad-hoc inventions to fill holes in the main cosmological theories.

It is rather like the aether of old. A hundred years ago it was believed that light was a wave and a wave would need something to travel through, so it was postulated that empty space was filled with some mysterious substance called aether through which the waves could travel.


Then along came quantum theories and scientists realized that light was not a wave, but could act like a wave or it could act like a particle. With this new, deeper understanding of underlying principles, the concept of 'aether' was no longer required.

I think that it will be the same with dark energy. Someday, some bright mind will come along, will take a massive leap of imagination and suddenly we will all be slapping our foreheads and saying "So simple. Why didn't I think of that."


Accurate analyses of WMAP in march 2003 proved the existence of dark energy. Cosmologists still can't explain the how and why. They think it is the energy of the vac√ľum itself, the so called zero point energy.
Bumps in the cosmic microwave background also speak of dark energy.
WMAP sees the effect of dark energy on the energy of microwave photons at various temperatures and angular scales. In other words, the WMAP detects propreties in the microwave light under the influence of dark energy.
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Message 1036300 - Posted: 25 Sep 2010, 21:35:37 UTC

BELL LAB PROVES EXISTENCE OF DARK SUCKERS!
For years it has been believed that electric bulbs emitted light. However, recent information from Bell Labs has proven otherwise. Electric bulbs don't emit light; they suck dark. Thus they now call these bulbs dark suckers. The dark sucker theory, according to a spokesman from the Labs, proves the existence of dark, that dark has mass heavier than that of light, and that dark is faster than light.
The basis of the dark sucker theory is that electric bulbs suck dark. Take for example the dark suckers in the room where you are. There is less dark right next to them than there is elsewhere. The larger the dark sucker, the greater its capacity to suck dark. Dark suckers in a parking lot have a much greater capacity than the ones in this room.

As with all things, dark suckers don't last forever. Once they are full of dark, they can no longer suck. This is proven by the black spot on a full dark sucker. A new candle has a white wick. You will notice that after the first use, the wick turns black, representing all the dark which has been sucked into it. If you hold a pencil next to the wick of an operating candle, the tip will turn black because it got in the path of the dark flowing into the candle. Unfortunately, these primitive dark suckers have a very limited range.

There are also portable dark suckers. The bulbs in these can't handle all of the dark by themselves, and must be aided by a dark storage unit. When the dark storage unit is full, it must be either emptied or replaced before the portable dark sucker can operate again.

Dark has mass. When dark goes into a dark sucker, friction from this mass generates heat. Thus it is not wise to touch an operating dark sucker. Candles present a special problem, as the dark must travel in the solid wick instead of through glass. This generates a great amount of heat. Thus it can be very dangerous to touch an operating candle.

Dark is also heavier than light. If you swim deeper and deeper, you notice it gets darker and darker. When you reach a depth of approximately fifty feet, you are in total darkness. This is because the heavier dark sinks to the bottom of the lake and the ligher light floats to the top.

The immense power of dark can be utilized to a man's advantage. We can collect the dark that has settled to the bottom of lakes and push it through turbines, which generates electricity and helps push it to the ocean where it may be safely stored. Prior to turbines, it was much more difficult to get dark from rivers and lakes to the ocean. The Indians recognized this problem and tried to solve it. When on a river in a canoe traveling in the same direction as the flow of dark, they paddled slowly, so as not to stop the flow of dark, but when they traveled against the flow of dark, they paddled quickly so as to help push the dark along its way.

Finally, we must prove that dark is faster than light. If you stand in an illuminated room in front of a closed, dark closet, then slowly open the door, you would see the light slowly enter the closet, but since the dark is so fast, you would not be able to see the dark leave the closet.

In conclusion, Bell Labs stated that dark suckers make all our lives much easier. So the next time you look at an electric light bulb, remember that it is indeed a dark sucker.

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Message 1036544 - Posted: 26 Sep 2010, 14:03:03 UTC - in response to Message 1036300.

BELL LAB PROVES EXISTENCE OF DARK SUCKERS!
For years it has been believed that electric bulbs emitted light. However, recent information from Bell Labs has proven otherwise. Electric bulbs don't emit light; they suck dark. Thus they now call these bulbs dark suckers. The dark sucker theory, according to a spokesman from the Labs, proves the existence of dark, that dark has mass heavier than that of light, and that dark is faster than light.
The basis of the dark sucker theory is that electric bulbs suck dark. Take for example the dark suckers in the room where you are. There is less dark right next to them than there is elsewhere. The larger the dark sucker, the greater its capacity to suck dark. Dark suckers in a parking lot have a much greater capacity than the ones in this room.

As with all things, dark suckers don't last forever. Once they are full of dark, they can no longer suck. This is proven by the black spot on a full dark sucker. A new candle has a white wick. You will notice that after the first use, the wick turns black, representing all the dark which has been sucked into it. If you hold a pencil next to the wick of an operating candle, the tip will turn black because it got in the path of the dark flowing into the candle. Unfortunately, these primitive dark suckers have a very limited range.

There are also portable dark suckers. The bulbs in these can't handle all of the dark by themselves, and must be aided by a dark storage unit. When the dark storage unit is full, it must be either emptied or replaced before the portable dark sucker can operate again.

Dark has mass. When dark goes into a dark sucker, friction from this mass generates heat. Thus it is not wise to touch an operating dark sucker. Candles present a special problem, as the dark must travel in the solid wick instead of through glass. This generates a great amount of heat. Thus it can be very dangerous to touch an operating candle.

Dark is also heavier than light. If you swim deeper and deeper, you notice it gets darker and darker. When you reach a depth of approximately fifty feet, you are in total darkness. This is because the heavier dark sinks to the bottom of the lake and the ligher light floats to the top.

The immense power of dark can be utilized to a man's advantage. We can collect the dark that has settled to the bottom of lakes and push it through turbines, which generates electricity and helps push it to the ocean where it may be safely stored. Prior to turbines, it was much more difficult to get dark from rivers and lakes to the ocean. The Indians recognized this problem and tried to solve it. When on a river in a canoe traveling in the same direction as the flow of dark, they paddled slowly, so as not to stop the flow of dark, but when they traveled against the flow of dark, they paddled quickly so as to help push the dark along its way.

Finally, we must prove that dark is faster than light. If you stand in an illuminated room in front of a closed, dark closet, then slowly open the door, you would see the light slowly enter the closet, but since the dark is so fast, you would not be able to see the dark leave the closet.

In conclusion, Bell Labs stated that dark suckers make all our lives much easier. So the next time you look at an electric light bulb, remember that it is indeed a dark sucker.

I might need to see the website on this one ; )
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Message 1036564 - Posted: 26 Sep 2010, 15:15:10 UTC - in response to Message 1036544.

Sounds a bit like phlogiston...
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Message 1036739 - Posted: 28 Sep 2010, 23:16:21 UTC - in response to Message 1036544.
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Daddio used to work for Bell Labs and had this situation scoped out a long time ago:

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Message 1036741 - Posted: 28 Sep 2010, 23:22:32 UTC - in response to Message 1036739.

More on the concept of dark energy:

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Message 1036743 - Posted: 28 Sep 2010, 23:24:01 UTC

Great to see the old Daddio comic's again Bill!

Always enjoyed them.
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Message 1036746 - Posted: 28 Sep 2010, 23:37:38 UTC - in response to Message 1036741.

More evidence of Daddio's primacy on the "Sucking Dark Theory"

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Message 1049001 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 7:49:42 UTC

My feelings on extra terrestials is that distance is the major hurdle. The earth is realitive backwaters of our own galaxy. The nearest star from us is 4.5 light years from earth with no detedtible planets. At our terrestial speeds the fastest object going thru space it is one of the fastest things man has done and its only going at about 60000 MPH!..This is the voyager space craft. It would take 73000 years to reach the nearest star at that speed. If there are ETs visiting us it couldnt be done in a lifetime one way. Why would there come so far to find an occupied world. Sheer distance would be reletive to finding other intelligent species, say stars in a globular cluster. Closer but still far apart. It doesnt seem to be a way to go faster than light and you would have to for interstellar travel.

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Message 1049068 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 18:35:47 UTC

The aleins it seems to me when they get here they will be peaceful because they will be to old to put up a fight.

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Message 1049116 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 21:58:55 UTC
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Accelerating at just one G will get you up to half the speed of light fairly quickly-about one year ignoring relativistic effects. We could maybe get a gravity boost from our outer planets as well.

A 100,000 lb space craft with 10,000 pounds thrust would also be up to speed fairly quickly. What about a 1000 lb. thrust. Could we get this from an atomic ion engine or from a solar sail.

I think in 100 years or so we might be willing to launch a multi-generational trip if we knew where we were going and what we would find to sustain life. Still don't see any solution though for the cosmic ray problem--.

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Message 1049125 - Posted: 17 Nov 2010, 22:25:29 UTC - in response to Message 1049116.

the major problem with going so fast is the interstellar/interplanetary dust. the faster you go, the faster it punches a hole in the hull. Arthur C. Clarke talked of using ice as a simple and cheap shield for absorbing impacts on the forward hull of high speed interstellar travel
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Message 1049287 - Posted: 18 Nov 2010, 9:55:13 UTC - in response to Message 1049125.
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the major problem with going so fast is the interstellar/interplanetary dust. the faster you go, the faster it punches a hole in the hull. Arthur C. Clarke talked of using ice as a simple and cheap shield for absorbing impacts on the forward hull of high speed interstellar travel

I agree Skildude,
Its the dust and particles in empty space that will prevent us from going anywhere at a reasonable fraction of the speed of light. As William Rothamel suggests, we should be able to build a Nuclear propulsion type engine to drive a ship.

But inter-steller travel should be possible if we just send an automated machine that re-builds the human at the destination from a copy of our DNA code.

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Message 1049289 - Posted: 18 Nov 2010, 10:09:54 UTC

We could send sperm and an egg but then we would have to nourish her and educate her for many years. A task not likely to be feasible compared to other solutions.

Maybe we could send an amoeba and wait a few billion years. Perhaps a robot would be better. But, it seems to me cosmic rays and hull destruction due to debris would still make this a problem; even to electronic humanoids.

I am not buying into these problems completely since we have spacecraft that have been soldering on for many, many years--albeit not at an appreciable portion of light speed.

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Message 1050728 - Posted: 24 Nov 2010, 3:58:16 UTC - in response to Message 1049289.

lol Anti-Gravity...it's just an effect,that can be produced by many many ways.The success rate of your little experiment depends on wich way and the size of your experiment.Now,whatever i tell ya is just my own personal observations about this caused phenomenon.We could simply start here...What is gravity?Sure,Newton said it was a force that attracts,Einstein said let me explain how it works...but where does gravity come from? I am only a 9th grade student :) I don't take science that seriously so excuse me if any of this seems wacko, and correct everything that may be wrong.In my perspective it seems no one can tell me where does gravity come from, yet it is the reason why everything is, and why everything isn't.Gravity affects everything, then why don't we fully understand it? I believe we have misconception of what the forces of Gravity are, there for we lust for knowledge and make scientific approaches onto everything we can.Let me assure you,numbers do not lie.We only lie to ourselves. If extraterrestial intelligent life did exist(they do,probabilities are 1 in a billion that they didn't lol), they'd use our same decimal numeric system, simply because numbers are numbers.Distance,Quantity,etc.It's like asking an alien what would be the heart of mathematics.They'd reply "Geometry".Gravity is.Gravity just isn't,and never will be isn't lol.Sounds crazy, but i believe rotation has to do with gravity somehow.Rotating objects have an effect,but not alone.There has to be a certain frequency.Now the problem is, yes I said there are many ways...what i meant was simply that there are many ways of making it go round and round.Nazi's tried it("Bell" project,used spinning blades),the USA(SAME) tried it,NASA(a few differences,sadly the demostration was done in lower scales,so it's effects were not that big---LIES) tried it(and lied,saying the effects were too little-dirty liars)here's what i mean ;) gravity itself is a big bad concept, if we cannot explain it, why do we say, that gravity is?
It can ! But for it we must understand how gravity works,and anti gravity would do just the thing.Here's the real way to make an antigravitational engine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJJ-4lnwrck

Now,know that to understand how it works,you need to understand the concept of antigravity :) Feel free to correct me as I admit i do not know much or bearly anything, but i am 100% sure on that antigravitational engine. The fluid is the only difficulty,but yeah that's how the little midgets from space got they're ships to get that anti gravity effect AND the lack of "fuel" lol since they don't use any combustion engine.(btw this is old stuff the media brings it down,the government will never accept anything that lowers their marketing) :) sorry for the weird things you just read :)And thus that is the TRUE way of creating an anti gravity effect :) if you have time,money and persons that know about physics and quimestry,try it and reply back :)

*Desclaimer*-This method or "theory" if you must,does not have any patent.So,if you build it,make it to work,public it,good for you,cause you'l probably end up rich if aliens don't come by then.You will get killed by the goverment eventually and your creation will be rendered useless or with low efficiency or suposedly no way to power it,etc,excuses on and on and on,like they always have :)
I'L BE BACK-Arnold whateverneiger

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Message 1050729 - Posted: 24 Nov 2010, 4:13:47 UTC - in response to Message 1050728.

By the way, little midgets travel bending space and time,going through the same point.It's like folding a piece of paper.Totally possible, if what you are using is some kind of made way gate or "warp hole".I guess it wouldn't be easy accepting that,sounds sci-fi but it's how they due it, they don't travel, if you could bend space and time, if not,they wouldn't be able to make crop circles on Earth wich is undirect contact,it's just probes made by them actually making those patterns.When i get bored i try to check out recent crop circles.Did you know Seti's message was responded IN a crop circle?It had the same formation used by Seti.I was surprised by the quantity of population O.O That's scary shit,search it up.Most crop circles are usually Phi :)It's amazing how much they have learned,as some of the crop circles are in binary code ANDDDDDD!!!!!!! spell out messages using the ASCII code <3 AMAZING

the hoaxes are usually easy shapes XD and do not present radioactivity around the area or the exploded corny crap :) when the alien probes make em in minutes,the heat from their lasers produces vapor.It's so hot that the vapor pops the corn :O
and keeps em popping for some time XD it's a curious fact

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Message 1050892 - Posted: 24 Nov 2010, 22:55:39 UTC - in response to Message 1050728.

lol Anti-Gravity...it's just an effect,that can be produced by many many ways.The success rate of your little experiment depends on wich way and the size of your experiment.Now,whatever i tell ya is just my own personal observations about this caused phenomenon.We could simply start here...What is gravity?Sure,Newton said it was a force that attracts,Einstein said let me explain how it works...but where does gravity come from? I am only a 9th grade student :) I don't take science that seriously so excuse me if any of this seems wacko, and correct everything that may be wrong.In my perspective it seems no one can tell me where does gravity come from, yet it is the reason why everything is, and why everything isn't.Gravity affects everything, then why don't we fully understand it? I believe we have misconception of what the forces of Gravity are, there for we lust for knowledge and make scientific approaches onto everything we can.Let me assure you,numbers do not lie.We only lie to ourselves. If extraterrestial intelligent life did exist(they do,probabilities are 1 in a billion that they didn't lol), they'd use our same decimal numeric system, simply because numbers are numbers.Distance,Quantity,etc.It's like asking an alien what would be the heart of mathematics.They'd reply "Geometry".Gravity is.Gravity just isn't,and never will be isn't lol.Sounds crazy, but i believe rotation has to do with gravity somehow.Rotating objects have an effect,but not alone.There has to be a certain frequency.Now the problem is, yes I said there are many ways...what i meant was simply that there are many ways of making it go round and round.Nazi's tried it("Bell" project,used spinning blades),the USA(SAME) tried it,NASA(a few differences,sadly the demostration was done in lower scales,so it's effects were not that big---LIES) tried it(and lied,saying the effects were too little-dirty liars)here's what i mean ;) gravity itself is a big bad concept, if we cannot explain it, why do we say, that gravity is?
It can ! But for it we must understand how gravity works,and anti gravity would do just the thing.Here's the real way to make an antigravitational engine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJJ-4lnwrck

Now,know that to understand how it works,you need to understand the concept of antigravity :) Feel free to correct me as I admit i do not know much or bearly anything, but i am 100% sure on that antigravitational engine. The fluid is the only difficulty,but yeah that's how the little midgets from space got they're ships to get that anti gravity effect AND the lack of "fuel" lol since they don't use any combustion engine.(btw this is old stuff the media brings it down,the government will never accept anything that lowers their marketing) :) sorry for the weird things you just read :)And thus that is the TRUE way of creating an anti gravity effect :) if you have time,money and persons that know about physics and quimestry,try it and reply back :)

*Desclaimer*-This method or "theory" if you must,does not have any patent.So,if you build it,make it to work,public it,good for you,cause you'l probably end up rich if aliens don't come by then.You will get killed by the goverment eventually and your creation will be rendered useless or with low efficiency or suposedly no way to power it,etc,excuses on and on and on,like they always have :)
I'L BE BACK-Arnold whateverneiger

Synyster,
Some interesting thoughts you have about anti-gravity. Maybe with enough research, you might be the one to finally crack the problem! Keep up the study!

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Message 1050915 - Posted: 24 Nov 2010, 23:50:24 UTC - in response to Message 1050892.

:) you see i can not do anything alone.This theory must be put on a test, and sadly , i could never afford the amount of money needed for the different research on finding the right superfluid,materials(the amount of them regarding the size) plus,no one would believe me if i came across a field yelling wolf.Thus i am sure anti gravity has been achieved,just has been kept secret for the sake of economy(government ruling over us money=power).Without government founds you couldn't do this.example,only discoveries usually put out in the spotlight are astronomical ones,you can't make money out of them ;) you get what i mean?

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Message 1050925 - Posted: 25 Nov 2010, 0:30:47 UTC - in response to Message 1050915.

:) you see i can not do anything alone.This theory must be put on a test, and sadly , i could never afford the amount of money needed for the different research on finding the right superfluid,materials(the amount of them regarding the size) plus,no one would believe me if i came across a field yelling wolf.Thus i am sure anti gravity has been achieved,just has been kept secret for the sake of economy(government ruling over us money=power).Without government founds you couldn't do this.example,only discoveries usually put out in the spotlight are astronomical ones,you can't make money out of them ;) you get what i mean?

I forgot to mention the time it would take to find te right frequency to make the actual effect. If anyone would like to help this research my eyes are all open, as i think this is my ending spot, i don't have any funds at all or ways to prove this gravitational theory because,sadly,i can not conduct an experiment without those funds :)hope , that someone catches up to this.

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Message 1050928 - Posted: 25 Nov 2010, 0:52:20 UTC - in response to Message 1050925.

:) you see i can not do anything alone.This theory must be put on a test, and sadly , i could never afford the amount of money needed for the different research on finding the right superfluid,materials(the amount of them regarding the size) plus,no one would believe me if i came across a field yelling wolf.Thus i am sure anti gravity has been achieved,just has been kept secret for the sake of economy(government ruling over us money=power).Without government founds you couldn't do this.example,only discoveries usually put out in the spotlight are astronomical ones,you can't make money out of them ;) you get what i mean?

I forgot to mention the time it would take to find te right frequency to make the actual effect. If anyone would like to help this research my eyes are all open, as i think this is my ending spot, i don't have any funds at all or ways to prove this gravitational theory because,sadly,i can not conduct an experiment without those funds :)hope , that someone catches up to this.

Your young, there are several possibilities!

1. Just do your own research in your home, with household stuff. Maybe get old electrical appliances and materials from from your local dump or waste recycling centre. Do experiments in your garden shed.

2. Study hard and go to university to study science and physics. If you are top of your field, you can get funding for your research.

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