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Gorbag Send message Joined: 1 Jul 99 Posts: 9 Credit: 18,763,310 RAC: 0 |
There still seem to be credit assignment problems. Check out this host: http://setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/show_host_detail.php?hostid=731 |
SirUlli Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 58 Credit: 28,048 RAC: 0 |
it is still Beta, and yea the Dev Team have to work about this and others, sometimes you got Credit after 2 succesfull Results, sometimes after 3 ... Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli "I am convinced that human flight is possible and practical." -- Wilbur Wright, 1899 |
Darrell Send message Joined: 14 Mar 03 Posts: 267 Credit: 1,418,681 RAC: 0 |
There is no validator problem. The first 9,000 units the project was populated with had the validator quorum only set to two units returned. Now that we are thru those the quorum has been set to three valid successful returns needed to get the unit validated. The problem is with the host that the link points to. Its benchmarks are 10 times slower than my 1ghz AMD Duron Windows 98 system. |
Chuck Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1 Credit: 0 RAC: 0 |
> There is no validator problem. The first 9,000 units the project was populated > with had the validator quorum only set to two units returned. Now that we are > thru those the quorum has been set to three valid successful returns needed to > get the unit validated. The problem is with the host that the link points to. > Its benchmarks are 10 times slower than my 1ghz AMD Duron Windows 98 system. > I tend to disagree. There is either a validator problem here too or all three hosts returned diferent results... all credit requests were reasonable close... no credit granted... my WU ID = 2958. It should have validated on the first two if it was a quorum setting. How can results be examined at finer detail, or should this simply be passed forward to the Admin folks as a problem? Here are more details to track with... Result ID 8881 Name 11se03aa.14056.640.272152.141_2 Workunit 2958 Created 2 Jun 2004 20:55:41 UTC Sent 12 Jun 2004 15:54:21 UTC Received 13 Jun 2004 17:47:00 UTC Server state Over Outcome Success Client state Done Exit status 0 (0x0) Host ID 2872 Chuck |
Keck_Komputers Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 1575 Credit: 4,152,111 RAC: 1 |
> > There is no validator problem. The first 9,000 units the project was > populated > > with had the validator quorum only set to two units returned. Now that we > are > > thru those the quorum has been set to three valid successful returns > needed to > > get the unit validated. The problem is with the host that the link points > to. > > Its benchmarks are 10 times slower than my 1ghz AMD Duron Windows 98 > system. > > > I tend to disagree. There is either a validator problem here too or all > three hosts returned diferent results... all credit requests were reasonable > close... no credit granted... my WU ID = 2958. It should have validated on > the first two if it was a quorum setting. > > How can results be examined at finer detail, or should this simply be passed > forward to the Admin folks as a problem? > > Here are more details to track with... > > Result ID 8881 > Name 11se03aa.14056.640.272152.141_2 > Workunit 2958 > Created 2 Jun 2004 20:55:41 UTC > Sent 12 Jun 2004 15:54:21 UTC > Received 13 Jun 2004 17:47:00 UTC > Server state Over > Outcome Success > Client state Done > Exit status 0 (0x0) > Host ID 2872 > > > Chuck > > The validate state of all three of those results is still initial, so either the validator has not run against them or they returned different results. The validator does not check based on requested credit, but one what the data returned is. John Keck testing BOINC since 2002/12/08 |
Bob_Schonle Send message Joined: 17 Oct 01 Posts: 2 Credit: 656,286 RAC: 0 |
I find many of my work units that have finished have recieved zero credits, yet are considered done, over finished . I am pretty discoraged that no credit is given, and I am damn sick and tired of the way this "Beta" system is working. If you programmers want people to join and do your work for free, you better come up with a decent scoring system, so we have something to feel good about, otherwise, you are a bunch of users and give little or nothing in return for our time, money and wear and tear on our equipment. Bob Schonle |
Heffed Send message Joined: 19 Mar 02 Posts: 1856 Credit: 40,736 RAC: 0 |
> I find many of my work units that have finished have recieved zero credits, > yet are considered done, over finished . > I am pretty discoraged that no credit is given, and I am damn sick and tired > of the way this "Beta" system is working. If you programmers want people to > join and do your work for free, you better come up with a decent scoring > system, so we have something to feel good about, otherwise, you are a bunch of > users and give little or nothing in return for our time, money and wear and > tear on our equipment. The concept of the beta test isn't about the credit. It's to find bugs. The credit system has some bugs. As has been suggested elsewhere, if you are interested in credits, you should go run S@H1 instead of beta for BOINC. And are you aware your credits will be wiped when BOINC is released? |
Janus Send message Joined: 4 Dec 01 Posts: 376 Credit: 967,976 RAC: 0 |
> I find many of my work units that have finished have recieved zero credits, > yet are considered done, over finished . Well, then - name a few. My first look at your hosts didn't reveal any problems? Except one of your hosts has benchmarked very low. You are familiar with the fact that work will have to be checked before credit is granted right? - That's why it says 0 credit granted in some of the lists at the moment. You can see how much credit you have waiting by going to your userpage and pressing the "Pending credit" link. |
Bruno Moretti IK2WQA Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 284 Credit: 49,167 RAC: 0 |
My Total credit: 672,83 My Pending credit: 1128,47 Pending credit is pending because others users have not returned their job. Example Meditation, not for Beta, but for the future: IMHO if the work unit are assigned to three users only and a user doesn't return its result, nobody will ever get the credit for this wu. Comments? Clear skies from Italy! |
Ingleside Send message Joined: 4 Feb 03 Posts: 1546 Credit: 15,832,022 RAC: 13 |
> Meditation, not for Beta, but for the future: > > IMHO if the work unit are assigned to three users only > and a user doesn't return its result, > nobody will ever get the credit for this wu. > > > Comments? > Then hitting the deadline, if only 2 of 3 is returned and 3 needed for credit, 1 new result is made and delivered to someone else, so this shouldn't really be a problem. But looking on Chuck's wu 2958 here it's 3 returns but validator is standing on "initial". I really doubt the validator haven't run the last week, so something is wrong here. If only 2 of them or worse none was comparable, 1 or 2 more results should have been made for this wu. Of course there's limits on how many total results for a wu, how many errored-out & how many good but no validation. But if someone haven't made a mistake and set this limit to 3 there is something wrong in one of the back-end-programs... |
Rom Walton (BOINC) Send message Joined: 28 Apr 00 Posts: 579 Credit: 130,733 RAC: 0 |
This is another good reason to reset the database. For the first couple of days this project was up, the file upload handler wasn't able to accept incoming result files. So basically the validator cannot validate the work-unit because one of the result files are missing. |
Bruno Moretti IK2WQA Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 284 Credit: 49,167 RAC: 0 |
> This is another good reason to reset the database. Yes! I agree. Another small problem for you, Rom (and big problem for users): upload is very, very fearfully slow. Here and in BOINC Beta also. Clear skies from Italy! |
SURVEYOR Send message Joined: 19 Oct 02 Posts: 375 Credit: 608,422 RAC: 0 |
"Another small problem for you, Rom (and big problem for users): upload is very, very fearfully slow. Here and in BOINC Beta also." And In Boinc Alpha Alpha Tester Beta Tester |
KWSN - MajorKong Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0 |
I wonder if the upload speed problem we are witnessing here (and in the Beta and Alpha projects) has any relation to the flakey router problem that S@H-Classic has at the moment between their ISP and the SSL building? That bad router has been hoseing connections over there for DAYS, and the natives over there are restless. The project staff have called in a repair order, the the ETA on the repair is sometime tomorrow. Just a thought. |
Guido_Waldenmeier_BiV Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 37 Credit: 0 RAC: 0 |
allways people write BETA Project but Credits System are a Early ALPHA Thing mabye in 1 Year will work fine ,see SETI 1 in 1999- the same people the same story- ! i think [/url] Entwicklung von Verpackungen aus Wellpappe |
Bruno Moretti IK2WQA Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 284 Credit: 49,167 RAC: 0 |
> IMHO if the work unit are assigned to three users only > and a user doesn't return its result, > nobody will ever get the credit for this wu. IMHO this problem is not resolved. |
mikey Send message Joined: 17 Dec 99 Posts: 4215 Credit: 3,474,603 RAC: 0 |
> > IMHO if the work unit are assigned to three users only > > and a user doesn't return its result, > > nobody will ever get the credit for this wu. > > IMHO this problem is not resolved. If the results are not received by the "report deadline" that is listed under the "work" tab in the Boinc program, then the Boinc Schedular resends those out to other computers automatically. Of course the Schedular KNOWS when it sent the units out and when they are due back. We went thru this in the Beta part of the program and it all worked out. |
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