If we had a United Nations with any teeth then they ought to be able to do something.

You mean like arresting the governors of Texas and Utah?

Where does arresting the governors of TX/UTAH have any relation to the subject of the thread?

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If we had a United Nations with any teeth then they ought to be able to do something.

You mean like arresting the governors of Texas and Utah?

Where does arresting the governors of TX/UTAH have any relation to the subject of the thread?

I thought it was about the death penalty. Texas definitely and Utah I am fairly sure have the greatest number of executions per capita in the US.

What does one expect from an UN with teeth that we are getting without teeth?

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The point here is that it is not the Country of Iran that is being challenged over this method of execution, it is the religion that they support that decrees it. That is a whole different matter altogether.

Obviously it is not the religion, Islam, that is at issue. If it were the religion then this would be a fact in all Muslim countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh and Indonesia. Those countries have really big populations. Therefore it is not a matter of the religion.

Therefore the only issue left is Iran which I have addressed in my first post to this thread and repeated several times.

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Killing by torture is frowned upon pretty much world wide.

Capital punishment for non-violent victimless offenses should offend anyone
regardless on how they feel about capital punishment. But this is the kind
of thing one should expect with religious government of any sort.

If you truly take offense at all forms of capital punishment, then you are in agreement witn amnesty international. I would suggest supporting them. I suspect this is not the case.

I am one of those strange people who holds there should be nothing illegal which only results is harm to the perpetrator -- as in marijuana.

I did not say I am against capital punishment. I said to the contrary in fact.

In this case I am inquiring regarding the particulars of this matter and specifically regarding the photo of the condemned as it repeats every few years with a different sexy young thing.

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Obviously it is not the religion, Islam, that is at issue. If it were the religion then this would be a fact in all Muslim countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh and Indonesia. Those countries have really big populations. Therefore it is not a matter of the religion.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. There are other countries practicing Sharia law. Afghanistan, UAE, Nigeria, Sudan,

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul1.htm

I am not going to go through that entire website but on this particular page I did a text search for the three countries I named and found only an Indonesian national caught up in a UAE legal matter.

I chose those three countries for reasons of modernity and population. Open your computer and discover how large a fraction of its components are made in Indonesia. The population of the three I named are more than the entire population of the Muslim countries in the Middle East. Ignoring modernity I can also mention Egypt which is in Africa not the ME.

The Christian redneck interest in demonizing Islam as expressed by its Bushista leadership is legendary. I see no reason to misrepresent all of Islam as being being like the worst examples. One does not represent all Christians as snake handlers nor all Jews as ultra-orthodox. The latter advocate the Torah as national law for Israel. Compared to Halakah, Sharia is positively enlightened and modern even in the strictest Iranian interpretation.

I cannot find any redeeming social value in this thread. It reads as a Bushista screed against Islam. It preys upon stereotypes and ignorance.

If you want to trash religions join me on Rational Responders.

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Matt I think you are either misunderstanding what I am trying to say, or more likely, I am not explaining myself very well.

The title of this thread is "Stoning a Woman to Death". The general worldwide view, and my own, is that in civilised societies in the 21C this is an unnecessary and barbaric means of death which is unacceptable to the majority of people.

If it was your intention to separate yourself from the opening post you did not make any apparent effort at doing so. The OP is clearly against the existence of this penalty for this crime.

In the case of this woman, if she has transgressed the laws of her country, and those laws require the death penalty for the crime, then provided she has not been falsely or unjustly accused, that is fair enough.

But of course there are two issues that arise here, firstly should countries have capital punishment, and secondly what form should it take. In the case of the former the UK has opted out, other countries haven't, but that is a matter for a another discussion and another thread. In the latter, it is the method of execution that is being discussed here.

If this woman lived in another country and was sentenced to death for whatever reason, and was going to be hanged, electrocuted, or have a lethal injection there would not be this outcry. Islam/Sharia has only been brought into it because her country Iran, follows those laws which can and do, allow stoning to death.

While it is popular to imagine painless forms of execution as being superior fact is it is the execution itself. They have tended to become less gruesome in in the West in the last few centuries but whatever the form in any country at any time the impact is always the same.

The west has also come to say dead is dead rather than being inventive for serious crimes. For simple murder in England hanging has been about it since 1066 but for treason or rebellion there was the Braveheart method. In the west one murder is no worse than a million as the penalty is the same.

I know for a fact that drug-dealing in Iran is punished by hanging. It appears to be the general purpose method of execution. But Iran still recognizes what England did for centuries, certain crimes get greater penalties. The basis for this is in the Koran and goes back to customs we find in the region at least the the 2nd c. BC when the writers of the Septuagint invoked the same penalty.

It is their culture which developed entirely differently from the West and while distasteful to us is perfectly normal to them for reasons they have known all their lives.

However, how about the West adopting one of their legal traditions, no crimes against the state. Murder is not against the state. The state is only the instrument of justice for people. If the family of a murdered person asks the murderer not be punished then he is not. Same for essentially all other crimes. Sound like a good idea to you?

No-one is demonising any religion as you put it, people are simply disagreeing with the methods of execution that particular religion calls for and allows. I have no knowledge of the Torah or Halakah, so I can't comment.

I cannot find any redeeming social value in this thread. It reads as a Bushista screed against Islam. It preys upon stereotypes and ignorance. If you want to trash religions join me on Rational Responders.

You may want to trash religions, I'm afraid I don't, so if you don't mind, I will decline your invitation.

To bad. Religions get off to easy these days. As with death by stoning some religions get away with incredible things like mutilating the genitalia of infants.

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Guess he's just mindlessly trolling all along... No good answer expected from there. (And to think that I did have a little hope he might be reasoned with...)

Hypocrisy anyone?

Do you condone capital punishment for any reason?

Again:

1: Do you condone stoning?

The subject is capital punishment. The savage method prescribed by the loving god in the Septuagint by old YHWH (I Be Who Be) is but one of many methods. Islam has greatly mediated the crimes for which that punishment is prescribed such as disrespect for parents.

Dead is dead or haven't you noticed?

Matt is back and he still cannot answer a straight question with a straight answer.

The subject of this thread is a woman in Iran, now in the world news, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani. The thread is also about the desperate fight by her children and others for her life against blatant and cruel corruption and injustice.

Hopefully, the fate for other women in Iran can also be helped and improved.

What do you think you are going to accomplish by trying to focus on the method rather than the fact?

As explained to you earlier, there is cold dispassionate Justice that is fair to all, for both victim and the criminal. In stark contrast, there is stoning that is by modern values just simply cruel and barbaric and should have no place in a civilised world.

If you wish to argue that further, then please start a new thread.

2: Have you signed the two petitions against this and all stoning?

I have not signed petitions ...

So, we can guess a big NO on that one then for you.

...Or is it as I identified in my first post? That it is a sexually attractive woman? If a fat, ugly one gets in this position I hope her supporters are smart enough to use the picture of a young, sexy woman instead.

And are you a grizzled jaundiced old grumpy ugly thing that has never seen the light of day?


Please take your armchair inaction onto another thread where I will happily cut through your turgidity to again show that you simply have no argument.


Note: This thread is for Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani. Please pick up your own thread to argue your own cases.

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She apparently received 99 lashes of the whip the other day

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39022965/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

What?!! Unbelievably, that does appear to be the case despite various confused reports... The paper that ran the supposed picture of her without a headscarf hurriedly withdrew the picture and explained that it wasn't of Sakineh. Perhaps there is embarrassment in Iran that she has been summarily lashed 99 times for something she hasn't done?...

She must be in a bad way now, added with the solitary confinement and isolation from all visits.


All eyes on Iran:


European pressure mounts on Iran over stoning case

BRUSSELS — European Union nations and the continent's biggest human rights organization slammed Iran on Wednesday for its plan to stone a woman convicted of adultery, while Iran's ambassador to the Vatican said there is "hope" the punishment could be eased upon review by Iranian authorities.

The plight of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, a 43-year-old mother of two, has cast a harsh light on Iran's version of Islamic justice and caused a global outcry. Iran says it has put the stoning on hold for now but has also indicated Ashtiani could be hanged for her conviction of playing a role in her husband's 2005 murder.

In an interview broadcast on Italian state TV Wednesday, Tehran's envoy to the Holy See gave the strongest indication yet that Iran may set aside the death penalty — or at least the stoning — in Ashtiani's case.

He was asked what response he could give to the many appeals from around the world to stop the stoning, including concern from the Vatican.

Ambassador Ali Akbar Naseri stressed that Islamic law was "inspired by clemency and forgiveness." Asked if that meant there was some hope Ashtiani could receive clemency, he replied that "one hopes for some easing of the punishment." ...

... The European Union Parliament in Strasbourg, France, passed a resolution Wednesday condemning Tehran, a move that comes on the heels of EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso calling stoning "barbaric." The vote passed by a huge 658-to-1 margin with 22 abstentions. The vote against was an error and was to be amended...



Iran suspends death by stoning case

... But Ashtiani's lawyer, Houtan Javid Kian, said she was never formally put on trial on the charge of being an accomplice to murder and was not allowed to mount a defence.

Speaking to Al Jazeera, Potkin Azar-mehr, an Iranian blogger in London who has been in touch with the lawyers involved in this case, said: "I do not think that [the review] is a new step because all that [the foreign ministry] is saying is that the case is going to be reviewed.

"The review doesn’t mean that it is going to be revoked... If they say it is being suspended, how long is it suspended for? Is it suspended until the end of Ramadan, is it suspended until the end of the year?...



News of Sakineh

No more direct news of Sakineh. Since her so-called confession, broadcast on television in mid-August, she has been in solitary confinement, in secret, with no contact with the outside world, no contact with her attorney, without visits from her family.

Threatened with stoning--and alone. The sentence hanging over her head, to be executed at any moment--and alone. ...

... all agree on one point: the evening of Friday, September 10th, the hour of the end of Ramadan, will be the hour of all dangers--starting at that hour, the worst will be, at any instant, possible. ...

... He himself, by speaking with me and wishing to have this conversation passed on by the international press, is obviously taking all kinds of risks. But for him, it's very clear. His mother is innocent. Absolutely and totally innocent. He did not have to "pardon" her, as all too hurried journalists reported, because she has committed no crime. He explains that the charges against her are so trumped up, so absurd, he does not even have to "defend" her. He is just a boy of 22, a ticket taker on the buses of Tabriz, the city where his mother awaits execution, who tells how, today, the very day of our conversation, the Iranian judges have gone so far as to break in to her attorney's office to steal the court case file so they will then be able to tamper and fiddle with it as suits them. ...

... Sakineh seems to have been sentenced anew to 99 lashes. The whipping seems to have taken place at the beginning of last week, probably August 30th or 31st. ... And why this new monstrosity? Because of a sordid story of a photo published in the British press of her, Sakineh, veil-less and bare-faced, which would be, in and of itself, an offense to Sharia law. I say a sordid story, for it is by no means certain that the photo is of her. Her son, Sajjad, is adamant and insists that it is not she in the photo. But such is this justice that one would qualify as grotesque were it not, first and foremost, barbarian. If it is not you, then it must be your sister. The lash, then, ...



Guest blog: Stoning not so funny

Buried up to your neck or shoulders if you are a woman and pelted with palm-sized stones by a baying crowd, chanting Allahu Akbar (God is great).

If you are really lucky you'll crawl out of the hole and break through the crowd.

Mostly since your hands are tied behind your back - you'll die a slow, painful and brutal death.

Pretty funny, huh?...

... Even the New Zealand government has expressed its abhorrence through the UN in February...



I was in London at the weekend. There was quite a demonstration outside the Iranian embassy...


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Guess he's just mindlessly trolling all along... No good answer expected from there. (And to think that I did have a little hope he might be reasoned with...)

Hypocrisy anyone?

Do you condone capital punishment for any reason?

Again:

1: Do you condone stoning?

The subject is capital punishment. The savage method prescribed by the loving god in the Septuagint by old YHWH (I Be Who Be) is but one of many methods. Islam has greatly mediated the crimes for which that punishment is prescribed such as disrespect for parents.

Dead is dead or haven't you noticed?

Matt is back and he still cannot answer a straight question with a straight answer.

Should you ever ask a straight question instead of phrasing it as "have you stopped beating your wife" you will certainly get a straight answer.

The subject of this thread is a woman in Iran, now in the world news, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani. The thread is also about the desperate fight by her children and others for her life against blatant and cruel corruption and injustice.

Hopefully, the fate for other women in Iran can also be helped and improved.

Do you have evidence she is innocent? The crime is the crime. If Iranians do not like it they can revolt. We know for a fact they are good at revolution.

What you do not appear to know is that women are usually the strongest backers of laws like this. For a man an adulteress is an opportunity. For a woman an adulteress is competition. It is against self interest of men to eliminate adulteresses.

What do you think you are going to accomplish by trying to focus on the method rather than the fact?

As explained to you earlier, there is cold dispassionate Justice that is fair to all, for both victim and the criminal. In stark contrast, there is stoning that is by modern values just simply cruel and barbaric and should have no place in a civilised world.

If you wish to argue that further, then please start a new thread.

You appear to be making justice and the means of execution as opposites. You must have missed test questions where you have to pick the opposite from a multiple choice list.

You like to use terms like to ride a high horse and use terms like cruel and barbaric. Yet what most of the western world agrees should have no place in the modern world is the death penalty itself. You only wish to take issue with the means of execution.

2: Have you signed the two petitions against this and all stoning?

I have not signed petitions ...

So, we can guess a big NO on that one then for you.

The word NOT is a negative. I hope you did not spend to much time ciphering that out.

...Or is it as I identified in my first post? That it is a sexually attractive woman? If a fat, ugly one gets in this position I hope her supporters are smart enough to use the picture of a young, sexy woman instead.

And are you a grizzled jaundiced old grumpy ugly thing that has never seen the light of day?

Please take your armchair inaction onto another thread where I will happily cut through your turgidity to again show that you simply have no argument.

As I understand the rules of public debate, if you don't want responses, don't post.

Note: This thread is for Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani. Please pick up your own thread to argue your own cases.

Regards,
Martin

It has been a long time since I have come across someone who claims ownership of the thread by virtue of having started it.

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Stoning sentence goes away JUST AS I SAID in my first post to this thread. This is nothing new. This is not the first case. This ritual has happened many times before.

Next we note in http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/world/middleeast/09stoning.html?_r=1&ref=world and other sources that there is also a murder charge which was left out of the emotional pleas against stoning. So now she gets a civilized hanging? How wonderful Iran is joining the modern United States rather than the modern western world.

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Stoning sentence goes away JUST AS I SAID ...

Next we note in http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/world/middleeast/09stoning.html?_r=1&ref=world and other sources that there is also a murder charge ...

Matt, very good you can gloat over someone else's suffering.

Also very good that you can completely miss the topic of this thread to hijack it with your skewered view.

Please start your own thread to educate us about your views for events in Iran... You are very welcome to start a counter thread to this thread if you wish.


To move back on topic, this thread is for Sakineh Ashtiani.

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... All very strange...


The two petitions running for Sakineh are:

Avaaz: Stop Stoning!

and

Help us free Sakineh


The Avaaz advertising campaign to push the politics is:

save_sakinehs_life

The story continues:

And it looks like the story can yet go in any direction:

I hope this isn't turning desperate...

A very bold and desperate plea from her children:

(Note the literal translation to English.)


An Appeal from Sakineh Ashtiani's Son: ''Our mother is innocent''

Our mother is innocent and should be released unconditionally. I ask the eight industrial countries and the governments of Turkey and Brazil and the entire world to continue the pressure against the Islamic Republic and don’t assume that the case is resolved.

... Regarding our mother’s statements, as the interview had not taken place in the presence of our lawyer Mr. Hootan Kian, but rather in the presence of Azad Press, we cannot confirm the [contents], as the circumstances surrounding this interview are not clear.

About beating up and maltreatment with regard to this interview, Mr. Kian has not received any news yet.

Regarding our mother saying that we have a weekly visit, the Islamic Republic must produce evidence that we visit our mother every week. Our name should be registered there to prove...

... I ask the eight industrial countries and Turkey and Brazil and the entire world to continue the pressure against Iran, and do not assume that the case is resolved. We do not have any official document. If the Islamic Republic is sincere, it should produce evidence.

Sajad Ghaderzadeh, son of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani

Announcement made by Sajjad Ghaderzadeh, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani’s son, regarding the statement of the Press Secretary of the Islamic Republic’s Judiciary power about Sakineh and the regime’s Islamic human rights

Shahrivar 17, 1389


All eyes are on Iran...


[Letters to Sakineh] Anyone and everyone can still help. As for what address to use? My first guess is "c/o" your country's Iranian embassy.

At least she's not dead yet...


It's ALL our world,

Regards,
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Stoning sentence goes away JUST AS I SAID ...

Next we note in http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/world/middleeast/09stoning.html?_r=1&ref=world and other sources that there is also a murder charge ...

Matt, very good you can gloat over someone else's suffering.

I assume your disappointment in not having a dead woman to wave around as an example of Islam.

Also very good that you can completely miss the topic of this thread to hijack it with your skewered view.

What constitutes a hijack? You wanted a purely anti-Muslim screed fest? You still have two days to get to Gainesville Florida for the Koran burning.

Please start your own thread to educate us about your views for events in Iran... You are very welcome to start a counter thread to this thread if you wish.

To move back on topic, this thread is for Sakineh Ashtiani.

It's ALL our world,
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Yes the woman who we now learn conspired to murder her husband.

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Fascinating. Sentenced to death for adultery. Her boyfriend sentenced to 10 years for murder.

Such a fair society no?

Oh Matt you failed to mention she was aquitted of the murder/conspiracy charges.
But facts can be so inconvenient.

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... All very strange...


The two petitions running for Sakineh are:

Avaaz: Stop Stoning!

and

Help us free Sakineh


The Avaaz advertising campaign to push the politics is:

save_sakinehs_life

The story continues:

Why stoning Sakineh is a mistake

... This interview with Abdullahi Ahmed an-Naim and Massimo Papa about Iran’s stoning sentence against Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani on charges of adultery was originally published in Oasis, a Venice-based magazine on Christian-Muslim dialogue. ...

Professor Naim, what is your assessment of Sakineh’s case?

Officially, the authorities maintain this is a straightforward murder case. Although I have not followed the matter in detail, I think that the ambiguity of the versions produced throughout the years is suspicious and betrays the presence of political manipulation. This poor woman has ended up at the centre of a struggle between different underground factions. ...


Iran, Sakineh: Compliments of Lewis Carroll

Decidedly, the Iranian judges are unrivalled when it comes to spreading confusion in a debate that is lamentably simple.

And the latest is that a woman veiled from head to foot with an unrecognizable voice, claiming to be Sakineh, has come to appear on Iranian television to deny the information her son and her attorney divulged to La Règle du Jeu and, through La Règle du Jeu, the western media. It seems that she was never whipped, that she was not ill-treated during her long but pleasant stay in the dungeons of the prison in Tabriz. And it is of her own free will, cheerfully and with joy, that she came forward, last August 12th, during an initial television broadcast similar to this one, to admit her complicity in a murder of which the courts had recognized her innocent three years previously.
The sideshow would almost make one smile were it not so disgusting. ...


A Letter From Sakineh's Children

... We do not know what is going on behind the scenes. Why and how many interviews, and for what reason? All this suffering because our attorney revealed the truth and the illegality in a file? Why is it that they provoke their partisans against us by producing false interviews, so that we are the target of their attacks? Why are my little sister and I forced to hide? Where is the justice in all of this? Why didn't you allow us to be next to our mother during the interview? Why are you playing with her life and with our family's reputation in your televised broadcast? Why are you urging your supporters on against us, so that they pursue us and strike us, in the street? And so that they call us sons of.... How many more false interviews are there yet to come? These days, we feel lost, searching for ourselves.

With each day that passes, everything that is happening makes the meaning of our lives more incomprehensible. ...


Marina Nemat: Surviving the nightmare of Iran's Evin prison

... With her release from Iran this week, American Sarah Shourd joins the tragic club of former inmates of Tehran's nightmarish Evin prison.

Shourd and two other Americans, Josh Fattal and Shane Bauer, were detained along Iran's border with Iraq in July 2009 and accused of spying. The two men remain in prison.

All those who have managed to emerge from behind Evin's walls tell horrific stories of solitary confinement, of torture and of a brutality that has scarred their lives irreparably.

Canadian writer Marina Nemat is part of that group. In 1982, as a 16-year-old student in Iran, she was swept up in the cruel political reprisals of the Islamic revolution.

She wound up in Evin charged with counter-revolutionary activism, and spent two years there. Terrible things happened to her...




All eyes are on Iran... STILL


[Letters to Sakineh] Anyone and everyone can still help. As for what address to use? My first guess is "c/o" your country's Iranian embassy.

At least she's not dead yet...


It's ALL our world,

Regards,
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... All very strange...


The two petitions running for Sakineh are:

Avaaz: Stop Stoning!

and

Help us free Sakineh


The Avaaz advertising campaign to push the politics is:

save_sakinehs_life

The story continues:

The various petitions are still creeping up ever higher. The story twists yet further:


Ahmadinejad, master of spin

As Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad arrives in New York for the UN General Assembly, once again he joins the battle for public opinion, and once again he may have won the first skirmish.

As usual, he is making the round of American TV studios, appearing on the Charlie Rose show on PBS, and Larry King Live on CNN. Already, he has been interviewed by Christiane Amanpour on ABC News.

While some of the Western media denounce him as crazy, Mr Ahmadinejad has shown himself just as able at influencing opinion and swaying the media as any Western leader. ...

... Mr Ahmadinejad is so hard to interview that a lively conversation has been taking place on the internet over how to get the better of him. ...


What death sentence, says Ahmadinejad as Clinton calls for regime change

IRAN and the US are set for a week-long war of words in New York with a propaganda offensive by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hillary Clinton appealing his regime be toppled.

... Mr Ahmadinejad has answered with two US network interviews in which he claimed that sanctions were not working and denied that Ms Ashtiani was sentenced to death by stoning. ...

... This much is clear: in the theatrics of Mr Ahmadinejad's annual visits to the UN, anything is possible.


Iran Press TV: 'Western media demonizing Iran'

An Italian nuclear scientist and peace activist says the Western media aim to demonize Iran to justify a potential attack on the country.


Outside editorial: Iran, women, barbarism

Iran's decision to release Sarah Shourd, a 32-year-old American who was imprisoned in the Islamic republic on ridiculous charges of espionage, is drawing cheers this week and rightly so. ...

... Ramin Mehmanarast, the Foreign Ministry spokesman, told Iran's Mehr news agency that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad intervened in Shourd's case in part because of the "special viewpoint of the Islamic Republic of Iran on the dignity of women."

Never mind the international pressure to release the three Americans or the $500,000 in bail paid for Shourd's release.

But since Mehmanarast brought it up, let's examine the special viewpoint of the Islamic Republic of Iran on the dignity of women, if that's what he wants to call it.

Let's examine execution by stoning, a sentence that Iran imposes far more often on women than men. ...



Let's hope this has a positive influence for ALL women in that area.

All eyes are on Iran... STILL


[Letters to Sakineh] Anyone and everyone can still help. As for what address to use? My first guess is "c/o" your country's Iranian embassy.

At least she's not dead yet...


It's ALL our world,

Regards,
Martin


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Fascinating. Sentenced to death for adultery. Her boyfriend sentenced to 10 years for murder.

Such a fair society no?

Oh Matt you failed to mention she was aquitted of the murder/conspiracy charges.
But facts can be so inconvenient.

Tell you what. Don't go live there.

No society is fair to everyone. People who are born to a society learn its rules early on no matter how absurd or ridiculous in the eyes of others.

A long time ago I stopped following "unjust" court cases in the US because I found those who were promoting the cause were uniformly misrepresenting the case. I can only suggest you learn to ignore them too.

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Fascinating. Sentenced to death for adultery. Her boyfriend sentenced to 10 years for murder.

Such a fair society no?

Oh Matt you failed to mention she was aquitted of the murder/conspiracy charges.
But facts can be so inconvenient.

Tell you what. Don't go live there.

No society is fair to everyone. People who are born to a society learn its rules early on no matter how absurd or ridiculous in the eyes of others. ...

That's one of the few reasonable observations you've made so far.

The next bit is that some people act against the 'ridiculous' to try to improve the world:


Letters: UN stoning call

We are writing to ask that the UN general assembly condemn stoning as a crime against humanity and issue an emergency resolution calling for an end to the medieval and barbaric punishment as well as the immediate release of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani and others sentenced to death by stoning.

We also ask that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad not be allowed to address the general assembly and that his government be boycotted.

A government that still stones people to death in the 21st century must have no place in the United Nations or any other international institution or body.


News about Sakineh herself is suspiciously quiet.


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Well, no one threw rocks at her head but this woman is just as dead. The state cannot continue to be permitted the power to take the life of one of it's own citizens.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/23/teresa-lewis-executed-mentally-disabled-virginia_n_737454.html

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.