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IFRS Send message Joined: 21 May 99 Posts: 1736 Credit: 259,180,282 RAC: 0 |
All this makes me wonder if it makes any sense to still keep buying new hardware to my computers. Really, I was about to buy 3 new cuda cards. I won´t if my current computers can´t have any cache to work with during 3/4 day servers outage. 3 more cards to do.. nothing? I was expecting to fill my caches after all this long outage. Not good. |
Ghery S. Pettit Send message Joined: 7 Nov 99 Posts: 325 Credit: 28,109,066 RAC: 82 |
I just uploaded 6 WUs and got 3 more in return. At this rate this machine will be out of work by this afternoon. Didn't get all that much after uploading a boatload of WUs when the servers came back up this morning. If we're going to see 3 day outages and then stingy downloads I may have to find another project to keep this one cruncher busy. It doesn't seem to work well with Rosetta (lots of idle process time for some reason). |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
All this makes me wonder if it makes any sense to still keep buying new hardware to my computers. I am gonna wait and let things shake out a bit and wait for some official explanation. Then I will make some decisions. If either Boinc or Seti is trying to tell some of us that we are 'contributing too much' to the project, that can be changed....user-side. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Oz Send message Joined: 6 Jun 99 Posts: 233 Credit: 200,655,462 RAC: 212 |
Yes, this seems like limiting college entrance to those who rode to high school on the "short bus" (from a which machines get work units standpoint) Oz Member of the 20 Year Club |
[KWSN]John Galt 007 Send message Joined: 9 Nov 99 Posts: 2444 Credit: 25,086,197 RAC: 0 |
Psst... Put this in your cc_config in the options part and exit and restart BOINC... <zero_debts>1</zero_debts> It might be a debt issue... Clk2HlpSetiCty:::PayIt4ward |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Psst... Hiya John..... But, NOT. I only run Seti, so I have no debt to fill on any other project. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
rebest Send message Joined: 16 Apr 00 Posts: 1296 Credit: 45,357,093 RAC: 0 |
WinterKnight, It's not just heavy duty crunchers being held up. My Core2Duo with no GPU is getting the message, too. Join the PACK! |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14649 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Psst... Why not put <work_fetch_debug> in there while you're at it, and find out what it really is? |
[KWSN]John Galt 007 Send message Joined: 9 Nov 99 Posts: 2444 Credit: 25,086,197 RAC: 0 |
Psst... But debt will still build...can't hurt, ya know.... 'ere's lookin' at you, kid.... Clk2HlpSetiCty:::PayIt4ward |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
Well, what is going on : 02/07/2010 21:52:15 SETI@home update requested by user 02/07/2010 21:52:15 [wfd] Request work fetch: project updated by user 02/07/2010 21:52:16 [wfd]: work fetch start 02/07/2010 21:52:16 SETI@home [wfd] FS: 1.000000 = 10000.000000/10000.000000 02/07/2010 21:52:16 SETI@home chosen: major shortfall ATI GPU: 1.00 inst, 98684.98 sec 02/07/2010 21:52:16 [wfd] ------- start work fetch state ------- 02/07/2010 21:52:16 [wfd] target work buffer: 17280.00 + 86400.00 sec 02/07/2010 21:52:16 [wfd] CPU: shortfall 0.00 nidle 0.00 saturated 168486.60 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 10000.00 runnable 10000.00 02/07/2010 21:52:16 SETI@home [wfd] CPU: fetch share 1.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 02/07/2010 21:52:16 [wfd] ATI GPU: shortfall 98684.98 nidle 0.00 saturated 4995.02 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 10000.00 runnable 1000.00 02/07/2010 21:52:16 SETI@home [wfd] ATI GPU: fetch share 1.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 02/07/2010 21:52:16 SETI@home [wfd] overall LTD -171776.44 02/07/2010 21:52:16 [wfd] ------- end work fetch state ------- 02/07/2010 21:52:16 SETI@home [wfd] request: 98684.98 sec CPU (0.00 sec, 0.00) ATI GPU (98684.98 sec, 1.00) 02/07/2010 21:52:16 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: Requested by user. 02/07/2010 21:52:16 SETI@home Requesting new tasks for GPU 02/07/2010 21:52:18 [wfd] Request work fetch: Backoff ended for Milkyway@home 02/07/2010 21:52:24 [wfd] Request work fetch: application exited 02/07/2010 21:52:24 SETI@home [wfd] FS: 1.000000 = 10000.000000/10000.000000 02/07/2010 21:52:47 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks 02/07/2010 21:52:47 SETI@home Message from server: Project has no tasks available 02/07/2010 21:52:47 SETI@home [wfd] backing off ATI GPU 24 sec 02/07/2010 21:52:47 [wfd] Request work fetch: RPC complete 02/07/2010 21:52:52 [wfd]: work fetch start 02/07/2010 21:52:52 [wfd] ------- start work fetch state ------- 02/07/2010 21:52:52 [wfd] target work buffer: 17280.00 + 86400.00 sec 02/07/2010 21:52:52 [wfd] CPU: shortfall 0.00 nidle 0.00 saturated 168460.61 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 0.00 runnable 10000.00 02/07/2010 21:52:52 SETI@home [wfd] CPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 (comm deferred) 02/07/2010 21:52:52 [wfd] ATI GPU: shortfall 98713.58 nidle 0.00 saturated 4966.42 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 1000.00 runnable 1000.00 02/07/2010 21:52:52 SETI@home [wfd] ATI GPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 18.58 int 60.00 (comm deferred) 02/07/2010 21:52:52 SETI@home [wfd] overall LTD -171745.68 02/07/2010 21:52:52 [wfd] ------- end work fetch state ------- 02/07/2010 21:52:57 [wfd] Request work fetch: RPC complete 02/07/2010 21:52:58 [wfd] Request work fetch: Backoff ended for SETI@home 02/07/2010 21:53:00 SETI@home [wfd] FS: 1.000000 = 10000.000000/10000.000000 02/07/2010 21:53:03 [wfd]: work fetch start 02/07/2010 21:53:03 SETI@home [wfd] FS: 1.000000 = 10000.000000/10000.000000 02/07/2010 21:53:03 [wfd] ------- start work fetch state ------- 02/07/2010 21:53:03 [wfd] target work buffer: 17280.00 + 86400.00 sec 02/07/2010 21:53:03 [wfd] CPU: shortfall 0.00 nidle 0.00 saturated 168455.45 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 10000.00 runnable 10000.00 02/07/2010 21:53:03 SETI@home [wfd] CPU: fetch share 1.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 0.00 int 0.00 02/07/2010 21:53:03 [wfd] ATI GPU: shortfall 98506.22 nidle 0.00 saturated 5173.78 busy 0.00 RS fetchable 0.00 runnable 1000.00 02/07/2010 21:53:03 SETI@home [wfd] ATI GPU: fetch share 0.00 LTD 0.00 backoff dt 8.19 int 60.00 02/07/2010 21:53:03 SETI@home [wfd] overall LTD -171736.44 02/07/2010 21:53:03 [wfd] ------- end work fetch state ------- 02/07/2010 21:53:03 [wfd] No project chosen for work fetch Last string just wonderful :/ |
Numanoid Send message Joined: 13 Aug 99 Posts: 42 Credit: 4,119,139 RAC: 0 |
All this makes me wonder if it makes any sense to still keep buying new hardware to my computers. I feel your pain. I got a new rig and a new fermi and wanted to use it to crunch. Since I got it months ago, it has maybe 20 hours of compute time on SETI. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
And more: 02/07/2010 21:54:33 SETI@home [wfd] request: 98603.21 sec CPU (0.00 sec, 0.00) ATI GPU (98603.21 sec, 1.00) 02/07/2010 21:54:34 SETI@home Sending scheduler request: To fetch work. 02/07/2010 21:54:34 SETI@home Requesting new tasks for GPU 02/07/2010 21:54:39 SETI@home Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks 02/07/2010 21:54:39 SETI@home Message from server: No work sent 02/07/2010 21:54:39 SETI@home Message from server: This computer has reached a limit on tasks in progress 02/07/2010 21:54:39 SETI@home [wfd] backing off ATI GPU 160 sec 02/07/2010 21:54:39 [wfd] Request work fetch: RPC complete Did debug messages say more to someone? ... [EDIT: Maybe MW should donate SETI@home some money too cause they use my GPU in much bigger share now than I would like ;D ] |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14649 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
02/07/2010 21:53:03 [wfd] No project chosen for work fetch Yes, it proves it's nothing to do with the servers..... They're never going to give you anything if you don't ask. |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
02/07/2010 21:53:03 [wfd] No project chosen for work fetch IMO it's just ATI backoff, look next post. |
Numanoid Send message Joined: 13 Aug 99 Posts: 42 Credit: 4,119,139 RAC: 0 |
When seeing the message of task limit, how many tasks are currently in the queue? What is the threshold? I'm thinking 20, because I downloaded 20 on an idle PC and then when I requested more, I got the message. On another one, I have 20 either ready to start or running and get the same message. Once this completes the next runnin WU, I'll request more and see if it changes the message. |
Ghery S. Pettit Send message Joined: 7 Nov 99 Posts: 325 Credit: 28,109,066 RAC: 82 |
Psst... At the risk of a stupid question, for some reason when I search for the cc_config file on this machine I find nothing. A search for "seti" comes up empty. And BOINC and SETI@Home are running on this machine. ??? |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
02/07/2010 21:53:03 [wfd] No project chosen for work fetch And where is this coming from? I am getting it on one of my rigs, which was running Cuda Seti until early this morning when it finally ran out. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Raistmer Send message Joined: 16 Jun 01 Posts: 6325 Credit: 106,370,077 RAC: 121 |
When seeing the message of task limit, how many tasks are currently in the queue? What is the threshold? The big problem not in number per se, the problem is how it calculated. If it would be per computing device - no probs, but looks like having too many tasks on CPU will block GPU requests completely too and vice versa... |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14649 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
Psst... cc_config.xml isn't there by default. BOINC comes with internal default settings, which suit 99.9% of the users, 99.9% of the time. It's just for when you're feeling nosey, and want to see what's going on under the hood. When you want to see extra detail, follow the instructions in client configuration. The [wfd] in the last line of Raistmer's log show that it's coming from his local client, with <work_fetch_debug> turned on. Or work_fetch_not, as the case may be. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
So what might be the problem? All of a sudden my rig doesn't remember the only project it is attached to? "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
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