Perfect Storm, Inc. (Jun 16 2010)

Message boards : Technical News : Perfect Storm, Inc. (Jun 16 2010)
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · 5 · 6 · Next

AuthorMessage
Robert Ribbeck
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 7 Jun 02
Posts: 644
Credit: 5,283,174
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1007035 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 20:00:13 UTC - in response to Message 1007022.  

My local fire dept is totally volunteer and they welcome all with a smile
no harassing the messenger, no pointing the blame, they just DO IT


First, you and I are the volunteers here. Just do it, please. I'm doing it right now.

Second:

consequences of bad performance of volunteer fire department: death and destruction

consequences of bad performance of S@H project (I assume that is what you mean): well - uh - not much, really



I give up all these "message boards" are nothing more than "harass the messenger"

We as the volunteers have NO RIGHTS -- not even the right to complain

THEY do as they please.. They are PAID to do something. and then THEY want us to contribute cash money to do more of the "good job they are providing now"

IF they can't be professional now WHY would anyone be compelled to send them hard earned cash that we had to be professional to earn ?
ID: 1007035 · Report as offensive
Jamie
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 5 Apr 06
Posts: 162
Credit: 9,867,955
RAC: 0
United Kingdom
Message 1007042 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 20:13:04 UTC - in response to Message 1007035.  
Last modified: 21 Jun 2010, 20:17:04 UTC

WE are not harrasing the messenger.
Everyone has the right to voice their opinions on these boards.
However, what no-one has the right to do is abuse, insult or put down people that work long hours, in their own time to make this THE most successful BOINC project there is
If you don't understand why the project is unstable at the moment, or don't understand why there is frequent downtime then please ask. There are plenty of people around that will answer questions about what is going on at the moment.

Please do not insult the people that have dedicated a lot of their lives to making this project what it is as that will just annoy people spend a lot of time and effort on this project
ID: 1007042 · Report as offensive
Profile hiamps
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 May 99
Posts: 4292
Credit: 72,971,319
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1007044 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 20:14:41 UTC - in response to Message 1006970.  

I wonder what the WU used as a bribe?

Hi Hiamps,

I did some investigation in to the SETI code to see what the WU kidnapper's wants are and soon discovered their shocking demand. "All your cats are belong to us," a clever modification of "All your base are belong to us."

You see, they meow have access to all SETI cat pictured profiles--- including yours. This means all feline pictured must deliver shown fur balls to the Berkeley SETI server room by 12 midnight tonight or the results will be catastrophic!! Seeing to how many "Puss in Boots" pics there are on these damn threads, I'm assuming we will lose half of our members.


"Insert sophisticated reply hee."

Keep crunchin'

BDDave

Oh No, did my dog become a cat? Figures ET would be behind it.
Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons...
And no good credit hound!
ID: 1007044 · Report as offensive
PhonAcq

Send message
Joined: 14 Apr 01
Posts: 1656
Credit: 30,658,217
RAC: 1
United States
Message 1007046 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 20:22:50 UTC

Frankly, and kindly, I do wish that someone at Berkeley would post something short and informative on a daily basis. No blogs, or treatises. Just a simple communication on a more or less daily basis. It would help us all, and help beat back the rioters when rioting commences.
ID: 1007046 · Report as offensive
Profile SMW

Send message
Joined: 16 May 99
Posts: 22
Credit: 29,285,238
RAC: 16
United States
Message 1007049 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 20:33:40 UTC - in response to Message 1007046.  

<---close to Berkely ( location) Update... Volunteers are still using computing power to search for Little Green Men. Their work is GREATLY appreciated. Financial restraints sometimes stop us from being perfect, in everyones eyes, but the battle goes on in search of knowledge.

Be well, search for the truth.
"It is better to be hated for what you are then to be loved for what you are not"
- Andre Gide (1869-1951)
ID: 1007049 · Report as offensive
Robert Ribbeck
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 7 Jun 02
Posts: 644
Credit: 5,283,174
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1007052 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 20:36:20 UTC - in response to Message 1007046.  

Frankly, and kindly, I do wish that someone at Berkeley would post something short and informative on a daily basis. No blogs, or treatises. Just a simple communication on a more or less daily basis. It would help us all, and help beat back the rioters when rioting commences.


I totally agree
Its very arrogant to leave those of us Volunteers in the dark
ID: 1007052 · Report as offensive
Dave

Send message
Joined: 29 Mar 02
Posts: 778
Credit: 25,001,396
RAC: 0
United Kingdom
Message 1007054 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 20:39:48 UTC

They do provide updates when they can. Be thankful for what you've got. Life could be worse.
ID: 1007054 · Report as offensive
KB7RZF
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 15 Aug 99
Posts: 9549
Credit: 3,308,926
RAC: 2
United States
Message 1007059 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 20:53:45 UTC

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I'd rather the crew at SETI deal with the problems, fix them as quick as they can, then worry about letting us know what the problem was. We all know there's a problem, there's nothing WE as volunteer's can do about it, other than DONATE to the cause. I've donated in the past, and if I didn't have so many damn bills, I'd donate again. I'd love to hit the lottery, and send half of it to the crew @ SETI to let them get top of the line stuff, and minimize the outages.

This project is the poster child of distributed computing. They run on a shoe string budget. They were not expected to stay up this long, but they are doing it. These guys also have lives outside of this project. These guys are some of the most professional people I know. Just because they don't answer every question or complaint every day, doesn't mean they aren't professional.

BOINC was designed to run multiple projects. Yes, many only want to do SETI, and that is their choice, but then you also have to realize that the project never, ever promised to be up and running 24/7, and have plenty of work to satisfy everyone's needs.

And, about the BETA testing stuff. If more people would go over to SETI Beta, more stuff could get tested before it came here. Server code changes come here simply because this project has the most users, and they can identify problems a lot sooner than if it was on any of the other projects, and, the head honcho behind BOINC is also at the SETI headquarters. A lot of other project administrator's probably don't want to "beta test" server code, so what other choice does Dave have?

Anyhow, off my soapbox. I'll happily go back to crunching many of the other projects, with this one on the side for when they get back up and running.

ID: 1007059 · Report as offensive
ront

Send message
Joined: 25 Aug 01
Posts: 77
Credit: 386,336
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1007062 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 21:02:10 UTC

"If you don't understand why the project is unstable at the moment, or don't understand why there is frequent downtime then please ask. There are plenty of people around that will answer questions about what is going on at the moment."

OK, I don't understand and I am "asking?????" :-)

Having been a member for some time (1994) Yes, I'm 'ol school - BOINC Classic - and all that, I do have an appreciation for the dedication, determination, and professionalism of the SETI staff which is constantly on display.

Getting angry and posting "nastiness" accomplishes absolutely nothing! Having said all 'dat, I do hope the current difficulties can be resolved quickly.

ront



ID: 1007062 · Report as offensive
Berserker
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 2 Jun 99
Posts: 105
Credit: 5,440,087
RAC: 0
United Kingdom
Message 1007063 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 21:02:22 UTC

Things seem to be on the mend. No chickens being counted, but credits are coming through - which should in turn mean downstream services can clean up and delete the result files that are taking up all the disk space.

Thanks for the work to get everything back up and running, and hope it stays that way.
Stats site - http://www.teamocuk.co.uk - still alive and (just about) kicking.
ID: 1007063 · Report as offensive
Robert Ribbeck
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 7 Jun 02
Posts: 644
Credit: 5,283,174
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1007068 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 21:13:53 UTC - in response to Message 1007062.  

"If you don't understand why the project is unstable at the moment, or don't understand why there is frequent downtime then please ask. There are plenty of people around that will answer questions about what is going on at the moment."

OK, I don't understand and I am "asking?????" :-)

Having been a member for some time (1994) Yes, I'm 'ol school - BOINC Classic - and all that, I do have an appreciation for the dedication, determination, and professionalism of the SETI staff which is constantly on display.

Getting angry and posting "nastiness" accomplishes absolutely nothing! Having said all 'dat, I do hope the current difficulties can be resolved quickly.

ront




Must have something to do with "PERPETUAL STUDENTS"
I've been here since 2002 & its the SOS

Guess the old adage is true
Teachers teach - others do


ID: 1007068 · Report as offensive
Profile perryjay
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 20 Aug 02
Posts: 3377
Credit: 20,676,751
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1007069 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 21:14:04 UTC - in response to Message 1007062.  

ront,
Did you get a patent on that time machine yet or are you just going to use it to go back and get one if anybody asks? SAH didn't start until 1999.


PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC
ID: 1007069 · Report as offensive
Berserker
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 2 Jun 99
Posts: 105
Credit: 5,440,087
RAC: 0
United Kingdom
Message 1007070 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 21:33:06 UTC

Not to mention that there's no such thing as BOINC Classic. It's SETI Classic (though obviously even that is an after the fact name).

/nitpick
Stats site - http://www.teamocuk.co.uk - still alive and (just about) kicking.
ID: 1007070 · Report as offensive
Berserker
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 2 Jun 99
Posts: 105
Credit: 5,440,087
RAC: 0
United Kingdom
Message 1007080 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 21:56:34 UTC
Last modified: 21 Jun 2010, 21:57:05 UTC

Or being the family of that person in that NATO vehicle, knowing there's not a damn thing you can do should the worst happen.

No personal experience, but the UK just having marked our 300th death as a result of the conflict certainly adds some perspective.
Stats site - http://www.teamocuk.co.uk - still alive and (just about) kicking.
ID: 1007080 · Report as offensive
Profile soft^spirit
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 18 May 99
Posts: 6497
Credit: 34,134,168
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1007081 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 21:56:45 UTC

Robert: come join the rest of us mal-contents down in number crunching.

This "perfect storm" is subsiding.


Janice
ID: 1007081 · Report as offensive
Profile Blurf
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 2 Sep 06
Posts: 8962
Credit: 12,678,685
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1007083 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 22:22:27 UTC - in response to Message 1007052.  
Last modified: 21 Jun 2010, 22:24:24 UTC

Frankly, and kindly, I do wish that someone at Berkeley would post something short and informative on a daily basis. No blogs, or treatises. Just a simple communication on a more or less daily basis. It would help us all, and help beat back the rioters when rioting commences.


I totally agree
Its very arrogant to leave those of us Volunteers in the dark


I disagree with the assumption that the staff are arrogant-These guys are working their tail off.

I had spoken to Matt awhile back about regular daily updates during outages. They said a couple of things to me--quite plainly. Every time they had posted in the past, people were demanding more and more specifics so no short explanations ever worked. It's extremely difficult to do as some of the updates/work they're doing literally takes all day and the more time they're away from the machines, the less time they're putting in on trying to repair the issues.

Pick your poison---get more updates and less server work time or the other way around.


ID: 1007083 · Report as offensive
sheridan
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 00
Posts: 1
Credit: 1,759,210
RAC: 0
United Kingdom
Message 1007085 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 22:37:19 UTC

As I'm sure many others here could, I could run SETI better than the current team. With some experience as a project manager it's not so hard - here is the short guide.

1. Several clean sheets of paper to decide how it should work - knowing what is known now, not just what was guessed at when it started.

2. Design the whole thing to work reliably with backups, multi site operation,
disaster recovery and scalability for at least another 10 years.

3. Secure reliable funding for the initial build and ensure ongoing funding for at least another five years so you can...

4. Employ a team of dedicated, capable and enthusiastic people to provide 24/7/365 (I always think that should be 24/7/52 but what the heck) knowing they have a secure and high profile job for at least the next five years.

See - dead easy.

Just a detail though. *IF* anyone does have the money for me to take this project on, you should know one thing. The first people I'd go to - not just for advice but also to offer the jobs to - are the ones already there.

The fact they can do what they have done with so little makes them my first choice to keep doing the job. If anyone else thinks they can do better, then why not move to California (if not already there) and put your skills, dedication and patience to the test. I can't believe the folks there wouldn't welcome the assistance of anyone who actually has the skills required and was reliable and trustworthy.

We live in an imperfect world – deal with it. If you want to know real BOINC frustration, try LHC. Hardly any work units to do and if you miss the few there are, you just slide down the stats. Still, I volunteer and do what I get sent, not gripe that I don’t get enough care and attention from others working hard for the same goal.

ID: 1007085 · Report as offensive
Cruncher-American Crowdfunding Project Donor*Special Project $75 donorSpecial Project $250 donor

Send message
Joined: 25 Mar 02
Posts: 1513
Credit: 370,893,186
RAC: 340
United States
Message 1007086 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 22:40:07 UTC - in response to Message 1007083.  

Frankly, and kindly, I do wish that someone at Berkeley would post something short and informative on a daily basis. No blogs, or treatises. Just a simple communication on a more or less daily basis. It would help us all, and help beat back the rioters when rioting commences.


I totally agree
Its very arrogant to leave those of us Volunteers in the dark


I disagree with the assumption that the staff are arrogant-These guys are working their tail off.

I had spoken to Matt awhile back about regular daily updates during outages. They said a couple of things to me--quite plainly. Every time they had posted in the past, people were demanding more and more specifics so no short explanations ever worked. It's extremely difficult to do as some of the updates/work they're doing literally takes all day and the more time they're away from the machines, the less time they're putting in on trying to repair the issues.

Pick your poison---get more updates and less server work time or the other way around.


Well, then, how about a post when changes are being made on the Production system(s), so we users can at least know why things have gone crazy...this last outage, with the server-side changes - sure would have been nice to know it was coming, and even the reasons for it, and the way the changes were intended to work. (Then we would understand what to look for). Easy to do, if you have written a design document - if you haven't, not so much.
ID: 1007086 · Report as offensive
Profile FrostKing9
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 20 Oct 01
Posts: 39
Credit: 23,815,960
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1007091 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 22:58:01 UTC
Last modified: 21 Jun 2010, 23:00:10 UTC

All of these great minds hard at work... it's so refreshing to
see so many quarterbacks with no teams to play for, and absent
even one ball between them.

Please do not try attempting to diagnose or to remedy the economy.


I DONATE money to SETI@home.... DO YOU?

I'm just slowly BOINC'ing along.

Hey... ET... you have a sister who likes earthlings?
ID: 1007091 · Report as offensive
Profile Blurf
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 2 Sep 06
Posts: 8962
Credit: 12,678,685
RAC: 0
United States
Message 1007092 - Posted: 21 Jun 2010, 23:00:24 UTC - in response to Message 1007086.  
Last modified: 21 Jun 2010, 23:10:24 UTC

I disagree with the assumption that the staff are arrogant-These guys are working their tail off.

I had spoken to Matt awhile back about regular daily updates during outages. They said a couple of things to me--quite plainly. Every time they had posted in the past, people were demanding more and more specifics so no short explanations ever worked. It's extremely difficult to do as some of the updates/work they're doing literally takes all day and the more time they're away from the machines, the less time they're putting in on trying to repair the issues.

Pick your poison---get more updates and less server work time or the other way around.


Well, then, how about a post when changes are being made on the Production system(s), so we users can at least know why things have gone crazy...this last outage, with the server-side changes - sure would have been nice to know it was coming, and even the reasons for it, and the way the changes were intended to work. (Then we would understand what to look for). Easy to do, if you have written a design document - if you haven't, not so much.


Then maybe you should personally try to contact the person who implemented the Boinc changes--DAVID ANDERSON. It is quite well known (historically) that he makes changes without consulting Eric and his staff in any manner-this leaves Eric and his staff to pick up the pieces and the victims of improperly placed blame. Other part of this is that David is equal or above Eric in level so there's nothing Eric can do.

I agree with people that things can be handled better but we need to find a way to make people above Eric (ie DA) acknowledge and accept that.


ID: 1007092 · Report as offensive
Previous · 1 · 2 · 3 · 4 · 5 · 6 · Next

Message boards : Technical News : Perfect Storm, Inc. (Jun 16 2010)


 
©2024 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.