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Message 1000769 - Posted: 5 Jun 2010, 0:48:20 UTC

In the thread on the Gaza flotilla some are trying to give an example of Israel being no better than Egypt or of some other country. I have never said Israel was better than any other country. Today Haaretz published a short news article showing Israel is no better than Hamas either.

What strange, new world that has such people in it.


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http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/hamas-officials-given-one-month-to-leave-israel-1.294215
* Published 15:29 04.06.10
* Latest update 16:39 04.06.10

Hamas officials given one month to leave Israel

Jerusalem police confiscate Israeli identity cards of 4 Hamas Legislative Council members who refuse to give up membership in the organization.

By Liel Kyzer

Jerusalem police confiscated the Israeli identity cards of four Hamas legislators overnight on Thursday and gave them until July to leave the country.

Mohammed Abu Tir, Mohammed Totach, Khaled Abu Arafa, and Ahmed Atoun are all Hamas legislators who refuse to give up their duties within the Hamas Legislative Council.

Detectives from the Jerusalem District Police Central Unit took their identity cards after The High Court of Justice ruled that they would not prevent the men's expulsion from Jerusalem.

The four men were, in the past, warned by Israel that they must renounce their membership in Hamas or risk losing their residency rights in East Jerusalem.

Mohammed Abu Tir
Hamas' Mohammed Abu Tir at his East Jerusalem home after his release
from an Israeli jail on Thursday, May 20, 2010.
Photo by: Tomer Appelbaum

Abu Tir was released from Israeli prison last month, after being jailed for the last four years, since his arrest along with 65 other senior Hamas men in response to the capture of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2006.


Israel took 65 civilians hostage. Arrest without charges is hostage taking. 65 for 1 with 56 still held.

After his release, Abu Tir was prohibited from entering Jerusalem.

Israel has so far released nine of the Hamas officials who were jailed after Shalit's abduction convicted of belonging to an illegal organization. Israeli defense officials said those ministers had just completed their prison terms and their release was not connected to a prisoner swap deal for Shalit's release.


Israel still holds 56 civilians hostage without charges.

But there were charges, belonging to an illegal organization. Illegal under Zionist law. Therefore Hamas does need to take one further step, declare the IDF an illegal organization and charge Shalit with being a member. Then the comparison will be perfect except for the 65 to 1 ratio of course.

Hamas won control of the Palestinian parliament in 2006 elections and then seized the Gaza Strip in 2007, leading to rival governments in the West Bank and Gaza.


There you have it. Israel doing the same as but to a greater extent than Hamas. Almost everything. Hamas does not whine about it as does Israel.

For the record Shalit was kidnapped and offered in exchange for the release of hundreds of Palestinians in prison including all who are being held without charges. If I remember correctly the record holder for held without charges is 17 years and counting but I might be mistaken.

In any event a prisoner exchange was offered by Hamas. In Israel's attempt to calm things and bring about a peaceful resolution it took more prisoners without charges, i.e. hostages.

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Message 1000811 - Posted: 5 Jun 2010, 3:22:45 UTC - in response to Message 1000769.  

Wonder how the US would react if a Senator or Congressman came out supporting Al-Qaeda? As long as neither side is slinging Nukes I don't care what they do with their silly Religious war. And that is what it really boils down to to me.
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Message 1000812 - Posted: 5 Jun 2010, 3:31:26 UTC - in response to Message 1000811.  

Wonder how the US would react if a Senator or Congressman came out supporting Al-Qaeda? As long as neither side is slinging Nukes I don't care what they do with their silly Religious war. And that is what it really boils down to to me.


These people do not live in Israel, do not participate in the Israeli political process, are not members of any political party in Israel and are not even Israeli citizens.

What you wonder about has no relationship to the facts of this case.


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Message 1000815 - Posted: 5 Jun 2010, 3:35:09 UTC - in response to Message 1000812.  

Wonder how the US would react if a Senator or Congressman came out supporting Al-Qaeda? As long as neither side is slinging Nukes I don't care what they do with their silly Religious war. And that is what it really boils down to to me.


These people do not live in Israel, do not participate in the Israeli political process, are not members of any political party in Israel and are not even Israeli citizens.

What you wonder about has no relationship to the facts of this case.


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